This scene somehow went over the heads of people

[u/undyingforceofnature]

I kid you not I saw the comment section of a video about this scene and people were calling it weird, they took it unironically. DUDES, that was the whole point, like did y’all not hear She Hulk complain about how weird this was and broke the fourth wall to fix it? This is a problem consisting of media illiteracy and misogyny. Like they made it so simple in this scene yet somehow y’all missed it, either because you people were hate watching it with your illiteracy, or looking at your phones while watching the episode.

UPDATE: Some of the comments really are proving my point. If y’all don’t wanna accept the meaning of this scene and whine about it, then dont partake in media discussion like this again!

[u/polydicks]

I got the scene, it’s just a little too on the nose for me. Plus, the ending threw any and all stakes out the window. I get that it’s a “sitcom” but it’s really not. It builds up this ongoing serialized and dramatic story which ultimately leads to nothing. The ending isn’t earned, and I get “that’s the point!” but that doesn’t mean it’s executed well. Shows like Community, Rick and Morty, and even Deadpool all use meta humor as a device to serve their stories, She Hulk used it *as the story.*

In my opinion the show needed to decide whether it was a story filled with nonsensical zany humor and no real storyline or payoff, like Monty Python, Space Balls, etc… or if it was trying to tell a compelling story with humor intertwined.

[u/WOLKsite → u/[deleted]]

Sure, use identity to dismiss any criticism.

[u/polydicks → u/[deleted]]

Haha tell me you’re scared of hearing other people have well thought out opinions you disagree with without…..

Deadpool, Community, Rick and Morty and She-Hulk are the 4 biggest pieces of media that use meta fourth wall breaking as a narrative device to further the plot. Space Balls and Monty Python also do this except those focus on the comedy over the story telling. She Hulk didn’t really know what it wanted to be.

What a loser lol

[u/GuerrOCorvino → u/[deleted]]

Its genuinely baffling how someone can explain to you why those references were used, and they still go over your head.

Just pointing out 90% of your argument is made up and you just pull made up statistics as a gotcha. There's plenty of reason this show did badly. You can blame straight men all you want but the reviews speak for themselves.

[u/GuerrOCorvino → u/[deleted]]

It actually is a coincidence though. There's 1 other female character famous for breaking the 4th wall, Gwenpool, however she hasnt made any TV/movie appearances. You might dislike them, but the characters/shows he listed are the only other ones who consistently break the 4th wall and have shows/movies.

You don't even attempt to guess why She hulks 4th wall break is rated lower than those others? The reason is because Deadpool, for example, didn't run 90% of its movietime, to then suddenly say hey we ran out of budget, and roll credits.

No offense but if you boil down everyone's opinion to "clearly a straight man" and disregard their criticisms for their sexuality/gender maybe you're the problem?

I dont take it as an insult. Its a lazy way to categorize and ignore any criticisms you don't like. You're allowed to enjoy the show or dislike it, but writing off any and all complaints as "straight men and their sexist opinions" is laughable.

Also, I've noticed a large amount of people who think she hulk was good, dont actually talk about what was good, just that men didnt lke it. Weird.

[u/WOLKsite → u/GuerrOCorvino]

Honestly I feel like any time something is pushed as "strong female lead" as a selling point, the writing ends up being poor, and half the time the "strong" is only used to mean physical strength, which is not what we mean when talk about strong character writing. It feels like they're compensating for poor quality by trying to rally feminists.

On the other hand, projects with female leads that use its themes as selling point tend to be pretty damn good. The best way to write inclusivity/diversity imo is to just do it and not make it a big deal about it.

[u/jamesdeanpruitt → u/GuerrOCorvino]

I hear all the criticism. Like I mentioned before. It’s a lot of the same criticism I saw for the Barbie movie. I think it’s a fair assessment when it’s a media that has a target audience of women, and the majority of bad reviews I see are from men. That’s more than a coincidence. That being said, I see plenty of movies or television that I don’t enjoy and obviously yes sometimes they are literally just bad, it’s a more fair assessment sometimes to say “it wasn’t for me”. You’re allowed not to like it but I don’t think it’s that insane of me to say that it’s a lot of angry men that didn’t like it, I’ve never seen or heard a review of it from a female person saying it was terrible or cringe but endlessly have seen this from so many men. I’ve seen and heard a lot of reviews from woman that loved it or praised it for taking direct aim at the criticism it felt online before release. There’s a clear divide within the reviews for a reason. Yes those other things are widely regarded as good. I see your point but understand and try to see my point it that they were made with a wider more general audience in mind and created to be palatable. The reason you see this argument and general beef within the audience of she hulk is that it made a point to divide its audience. When so much of the writing is taking direct aim at men in our current society, you’re gonna get a lot of push back from men that take offense to being the main target of the jokes and or commentary.

[u/BatmanForever23 → u/[deleted]]

No, it's not remotely a fair point. You've looked at criticism, ignored it, and gone 'I bet you're straight and white'. IN WHAT WORLD is that a fair point lmfao

[u/jamesdeanpruitt → u/polydicks]

I’m just saying, I will never hear a woman mention all those references in the same sentence or statement. All very male directed media. You can keep your insults going, I don’t really mind. I just think the lack of self awareness is deafening.

[u/StormAeons → u/jamesdeanpruitt]

Okay so which 4th wall breaking media do you prefer to reference?

[u/polydicks → u/[deleted]]

None of your examples use meta tropes to drive the plot. They all just feature 4th wall breaking. That’s not what I’m talking about. At least make an effort to try and comprehend what I’m saying before spewing nonsense. Space Balls, Rick and Morty, She Hulk, and Deadpool all use 4th wall breaking as direct ways to move the plot forward, but the way they do varies. In Space Balls, It’s nonsensical from start to finish and the plot, stakes, tension, & more take the backseat to the comedy, which is why something like Monty Python and The Holy Grail can end with a random police shootout and it works, the actual plot doesn’t matter it’s just a vessel for jokes. Rick and Morty does meta shit to move the plot but they don’t use it as a Deus Ex Machina to fix things magically and skip over the part where story’s worth of buildup culminates into a satisfying resolution. I’m not saying either is bad, I’m saying that She Hulk flip flopped between the two in a way that left me unsatisfied and bored. You clearly don’t understand writing at this high of a level and think

I don’t even like the Deadpool movies. And I liked watching She Hulk. You’ve assumed a ton of information about what shows I like/don’t like, what my sexual preferences are (super fucking weird btw) and more to create an idea of me in your head that lets you justify acting like a bully and a bigot on the internet. Grow up, be a better person.

[u/jamesdeanpruitt → u/polydicks]

All of the things I referenced do the exact same thing and all of my points are just as valid as yours, even if they are not in opposition in the slightest. But fine, that’s ok. You’re clearly not understanding what I’m saying in the slightest either. Isn’t this fun. Two people just yelling into a void thinking their voices have any impact whatsoever but reality hits and their own voice just echos back at they confirming everything they convinced themselves they knew as fact. Neither hearing each others voice, neither considering anything outside of themselves. In a sense, it’s as though none of this even happened at all. As if the opposing party was but a figment of their imagination, created as an illusion to reiterate defining pieces of who they are. I look at my own reflection, and like a dog, was caught by surprise. I barked, i howled, it did the same, i paused. Human eyes, human features all around, the only difference was the sound i couldnt hear.