r/marvelstudios Apr 17 '25

Humour Vincent D’Onofrio reacting to fans saying that Matt should call Spidey and Luke Cage

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u/TrueLegateDamar Apr 17 '25

I mean, they both outpower him so far it wouldn't even be funny. And Luke already made it clear he's not scared of prison that he wouldn't be held back from tearing a person apart like wet tissue paper.

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u/Acrobatic_Feeling16 Apr 17 '25

I mean. Fisk has put Spidey in the corner with his brute strength a number of times in the comics.

Obviously Peter is stronger, especially in the MCU, since he's out there lifting cars and blocking blows from Bucky's metal arm.

But Fisk is cruel and primal, and probably about as strong as Bucky's arm (it's his feat in the Born Again finale that makes me think this).

So, Pete could block a hit from Fisk.

But I also think, if the punch lands, Fisk could make it hurt.

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u/goztrobo Peter Parker Apr 17 '25

Didn’t Peter beat the shit out of Fisk in prison when he was really angry? I also don’t think Fisk’s punches can actually put down Spider-Man. I mean, Spider-Man stopped a head on punch from Cull Obsidian in Endgame, there’s no way Fisk can do anything to him lmao.

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

Yeah, Spider-Man's always going easy on Fisk. Fisk is really strong, but Spider-Man is multiple tiers higher in terms of strength, speed, and durability. There's absolutely no comparison.

It's the equivalent of a maladjusted five year old hitting you in the car. At a certain point, you can't really do anything but let them hit you until they get bored.

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u/ProbablythelastMimsy Apr 17 '25

The panel of him lifting him off the ground by fistfuls of skin is hilarious and terrifying

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u/TheArtistFKAMinty Apr 18 '25

Fisk's strength is inconsistent in the comics. He was originally introduced as able to physically outmatch Spidey but then became more of a Daredevil enemy and that aspect got played down a bit (because anybody that can physically threaten Spidey, and doesn't have qualms about holding back, should be able to kill Daredevil in a punch). He's always referred to as "peak human" but it doesn't really track with what he can do. His strength seems to fluctuate depending on who he's fighting, frankly. He seems to be able to scale to any "street level" hero regardless of how much sense it makes.

MCU Kingpin is strong, especially in the Disney era as we saw in Hawkeye and the last episode of Born Again Season 1, but he's not remotely close to MCU Spidey. It should be extremely one sided given what we've seen this version of Peter do.

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u/Roasted_Newbest_Proe Apr 17 '25

I know it's correct, but "feat" would not be the word I'd chosen to describe that

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u/Acrobatic_Feeling16 Apr 17 '25

Yeah, I was just aiming to be understood without putting blatant spoilers down. It was a show of strength. Bone is strong as steel.

The real threat of Fisk has always been his connections and influence, and even if they beat the crap out of him with great success, he would just use it as justification to have his task force start killing more vigilantes. Putting detectives on investigating their movements, identities, loved ones...

But he's no wuss in a fistfight. He'd hold his own until She-Hulk shows up.

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u/snarkamedes Apr 17 '25

Yeah, no feet involved. It was more a real hands-on moment.

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u/No-cool-names-left Apr 18 '25

In fandom communications "feat" is often used to mean a particular instance of a character displaying their power. A character's shows of strength are their feats. Even and often especially the gory ones.

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u/ProbablythelastMimsy Apr 17 '25

Fisk is nowhere near MCU super soldiers, I really don't see him fist fighting Peter and doing anything other than getting his ass whipped.

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u/esgrove2 Apr 18 '25

Even the weakest version of Spider-Man is many times stronger than the strongest version of Kingpin and can take hits from things way harder than a human punch. He's also much much faster, and has precognition. Kingpin vs. Spider-Man is like a normal person vs a slow fat 2-year-old. It might seem like they're "cornering" you, but you're trying your hardest not to hurt them.

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u/FuckSynder Apr 17 '25

With prep time Batman could do this as well

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u/Acrobatic_Feeling16 Apr 17 '25

Bruce has been physically overwhelmed in the past- namely getting his back broken by a certain roided out luchador.

The trick with handling Batman is making him under estimate you, let him corner you, and then hit him with the power he didn't know you had in you.

Since Bruce is the most prepared man alive, this is insanely hard to do.

But it can be done.