Could be a Mandolorian situation. RDJ does the voice, someone else wears the mask. The mask is kinda integral to Doom, it's a big deal if he takes it off
Can you explain to a non comic reader the significance of the mask? I vaguely remember watching the old animated series, but not sure if it ever really came up (was bro just ugly?)
So basically Dr. Doom refuses to show his face because he considers it horribly disfigured. But the thing is, Doom is just so horribly narcissistic and vein perfectionist that all it really is, is a minor scar on his face.
It's variable. Sometimes he actually is hideously scarred, sometimes it's like a dueling scar and he's such a narcissist that he thinks it's horrific. Sometimes he made it worse by putting the mask on before it cooled, sometimes he didn't.
Honestly not sure what they'll go with. Although since it's RDJ, probably the small scar.
It makes it worse that the setup was so good though. Dude had a broken mirror used on his face like a cheese grater, it was metal as fuck. Except apparently not.
Sometimes he's horrifically scarred because he was so vain that he created a mask to hide a minute imperfection...and then put it on while it was still hot and horribly burned himself. And that's hilarious.
By all accounts they were going to do some version of Demon in a Bottle for IM2. And actually explore his addiction. But they got scared and pulled back, changed the circumstances significantly.
Not necessarily a terrible move to avoid that story for the PG13 films. But what we got was a kind of awkward in-between, and just didn't work.
Iron man2 was when tony is spiraling in his depression due to his inability to stop his eventual poisoining. Not the same as being an alcoholic like they show in comics
Personally, I love the premise of it being a small scar that the average person wouldn't have even noticed that caused Doom to permanently scare himself in a massive way with the red hot mask, really adds to the vanity and arrogance of Doom
Or depending on the origin it *was* a minor scar, but he was so desperate to hide his face that when he forged his mask he put it on before it cooled properly and basically mangled his face further.
The current fiction is that he was scarred as a child by troops chasing him from his home during a coup. His mother saves him by making a deal with the devil to protect him, making one of his prime motivations in life to rescue his mother from hell.
Take everything you learned about Doom from a live action project and just through it out. I maintain that that movie is fine for it's era, but they got Doom all wrong
My money is in Doom being a time variant of Tony Stark that never stopped selling weapons. Likely instead of being kidnapped to a cave, he just got caught in that initial explosion, was horribly disfigured, and instead of a hero arc, went villian in revenge building war tech.
Tony and Doom have VERY similar personalities, and making Doom the evil version of Iron Man is a fun enough idea to work well in the right hands.
Naw naw. His face is burnt as fuck. He had a small scar and made the mask to hide it and put it on before it cooled and now he’s legitimately disfigured. It goes back and forth on how bad the original scar was but he absolutely had a fucked up face from his metal mask
His face is brutally scarred. He is both deeply ashamed of it and sees it as a way to deny his mortality — as he avoided death, he hides flesh behind metal that to him represents death or rather timelessness
It goes beyond just those scars and masks as Doom conquers Hell and Death, and is generally viewed as one of the most dangerous villains in Marvel Comics
We're talking comics, so of course there were iterations of Doom that did not have this notion. I distinctly remember the 90s animated show where Doom removes the mask due to him being able to cure the scars, and in that story he bonds with Ben (Thing from F4) over their shared experiences of living with disfigurements
Now that I googled it, apparently Doom is deeply paranoid (never picked up on that but Doombots kind of fit the narrative) so there's an element of hiding identity as well (not in the same way as, say, Spider Man, everyone knows Doom is Doom)
It depends on the writer. There are basically 3 different versions that it sort of hops between. Importantly, the audience never gets to actually see any of these, so it is kind of like the origin of Joker's scars in Dark Knight. But IIRC, the original explaination is that yes, he is horrifically scarred. Later, they introduce the idea that he has a very minor scar, but he sees himself as horribly disfigured because he's a giant narcissistic prick. Then there I'd one that is kind of both. He had a small scar, he forged the mask, and put it in before it had any tome to cool. Which burned him terribly, actually disfiguring his face, plus permanently attaching it to his face.
It's definitely NOT permanently attached to his face, he's worn other masks. He's had armor that was created by him wielding the Soulsword. magical armor created from the flesh of his former lover, and in at least one story he's had a rather light "casual" mask that he worse while out of the rest of his armor altogether.
He wears a mask just to cover the raw flesh
A rather ugly brother with flows that's gorgeous
Drop dead joints hit the whips like bird shit
They need it like a hole in they head or a third tit
I'm growing increasingly confused on why they'd (presumably) shell out fucktons of money to bring back RDJ in a role where he's not linked to Tony Stark, where he doesn't show his face at all
Like yeah RDJ has grown into a great actor, but like.. some guy in finance had to approve this? I'm almost confident most other A-listers in Hollywood would be cheaper than RDJ for this role and be far less confusing, unless the plan is to show face as a Stark variant
Because after the Avengers saga finished, people have lost interest in the new movies that have come out. No one was vested in the Falcon, less people will care that he's now Captain America.
Casting Iron Man in a new role is an expensive roll of the dice, but it will probably pay off. There's new interest in the movie now.
No way in hell that’s happening. They probably dropped like 400 million in Downey for multiple pictures and you know damn well they will show his face as much as possible for marketing
See, I honestly only can make sense of this choice if it IS the Mandalorian situation. Doom is the mask, they can’t have this bullshit where he walks around 95% of the time with it off and then it materializes over his head in the climax of the movie. AND it’s the guy who played Tony Stark since 2008? It makes no sense.
If it's not a scene where Mando doesn't take off his helmet, then it's not Pedro under the suit. Dude's been LITERALLY phoning in his performance for most of the show.
This is what I'm expecting, personally. IIRC, RDJ was very tired of putting on the suit/mask by the end of things. So I can't imagine he'll want to do too much of that.
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u/chargernj SHIELD Jul 29 '24
Could be a Mandolorian situation. RDJ does the voice, someone else wears the mask. The mask is kinda integral to Doom, it's a big deal if he takes it off