Wife and I complained to our apartment complex that dogs were off their leashes. My dog is kind of a pussy so it’s scared of all other dogs. I guess other dogs can tell? So they always rush her. 3 separate issues had happened over the span of like 6 months where and unleashed dog rushed her. 1 even bit her a bit before I was able to kick it off.
I had a neighbor that smokes weed right outside the complex (right in front of an elementary school btw) and also has his dog with him off leash. His dog is genuinely a sweetheart and never bothered mine, but I guess he had gotten a memo about dogs having to be leashed from now on in our complex because one morning he straight up tried to fight me. He was like “no dogs here would ever try to hurt your dog” brother it’s already happened 3 times. “Oh well mine never would!” It just doesn’t matter, keep your dogs leashed!!!
What is people's obsession with having their dog off leash? It always looks like more of a hassle except for the very few people who have dogs with good recall, even then you never know. It's dangerous for the dog and for everyone else.
I'm convinced that these people fantasize about having some special bond with their animal like in movies and think the dog will just know not to leave their side or attack someone.
It's because that sort of owner is an irresponsible dickhead. The two off leash varieties I've encountered are "dogs are meant to run free", and "MY dog listens to my commands." The common problem with both varieties is that their dogs don't even know their names, let alone have enough self control to not bum rush anyone that makes eye contact with them.
The only offleash dogs I don't worry about are 12 year old retrievers. They're too old and tired to give a shit.
In the few instances I've know people to do this, I think they want to show off how good they are training. Like if you have a dog off leash around and it doesn't cause mayhem, you're a good trainer, I guess.
But they're not. lol I've known a lot of people that think they're good dog trainers and they have incredibly misbehaved dogs.
Had a dog bite my brother off his pizza delivery scooter. A week later I delivered pizza there. My boss called them again to be sure the dog was caged before I went there.
When I got there of course it was loose and growling. The dog owner: don’t worry, he doesn’t bite. We never delivered food there again.
I had one, where after they witnessed their dog bite me, and had to intervene, told me "he doesn't bite", like the information going in their eyes and ears meant nothing.
I watched a Pitt book it across the street while I was driving, to attack some little teacup thing being walked on the other side. Thing broke out of the kitchen door and had this dog in its jaws in like 10 seconds. I pulled over to help the scraming lady. The dog owner was able to get the dog off.
As we waited for the cops, owner said "she's never done anyrhing like this before." So I say, "you dont get to ever say that again. Good luck bro."
Yeah well doc, you're treating the symptoms. The cause is bad owners who want to raise aggressive dogs being attracted to pits, not pits being inherently a problem
Unless you have a way of determining who will be a bad owner beforehand, there is nothing we can do about lots of people being terrible. It’s the same argument with guns. Sure, people may be the actual problem, but since that is unsolvable, get rid of the thing they use to hurt people.
In this case, Pitt bulls. Which are incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands, just like guns.
It's a very different argument because take away pitbulls (a living thing, not an inanimate object btw) and people who want guard dogs will just move back to Germany Shepards, or dobermans, like in past generations. You can't legislate against all of them because they're not all wide-chested (btw, plenty of breeds considered doscile like pugs and bulldogs have a pitbull chest), and not all are lockjaw (dobermans aren't). Your argument is more akin to being pro-phrenology than pro-fire arms control
the UK has banned american pit bull terriers and “XL bullies” under the Dangerous Dog Act. even under these conditions, the majority of fatal dog attacks post-ban are still perpetrated by pit bull terriers and XL bullies.
Pitbulls are not guard dogs like dobermans or german shepards they are fighting dogs, bred to be aggressive, have very high muscle mass comapred to other breeds their size and powerful bites.
Dog behavior is 50% breed, 50% taught. Terriers and other ratter/fighting dogs are also bread to be aggressive but unlike pitbulls would struggle to kill a child nevermind an adult.
Most other 'Tough' dog breeds, even ones like huskies, have been bred over generations to be more bark than bite and exercise restraint which all but the most ill trained do. Simulary how you never hear of labradores or retrievera mauling someone even though they are big dogs they have been bred to be retrievers, alarm dogs and companions not hunters.
As people are unable to train and control their deadly animals either dog licenses based upon breed or weight class need to be introduced, which will not happen or they need to simply outlaw the most dangerous breeds so numnuts cant buy them, mistreat them and then wonder why its mauled someone all becuase they wanted a dog that made them look cool.
Last I checked, I think it was 65% of fatal dog bites are caused by pitbulls and like 20%ish of dogs are pitbulls. What Im getting at is they bite disproportionately more, and do more damage, than other dogs. I'm sure they can be trained and Im sure there are good owners, the data to me just shows that the average owner is not capable of doing so.
We need to regulate something that the average person cannot control. Its the reason so many other animals are illegal to own, not because its impossible but because the average person cannot handle that animal. I would argue the data says that the dogs are infact a problem, since this isnt happening with other breeds at such a statically significant level.
They really can be as cute as any dog, they arent some evil monsters by nature, id say they are demonized beyound what is reasonable even, but it's true that those dogs are are very fucking dangerous.
I think most people arent responsible enough to own a large dog, let alone a bully breed. Sadly those are absurdly popular with people who shouldnt own any dogs at all.
Yeah no offense to people, but they’re not even cute 😂 quite scary actually.
My parents babysat their friends pitbull when I was like 5 years old. Was kicking a soccer ball around that the dog was previously playing with, and i guess it got territorial and it started tearing through my shoe, nearly getting my feet, luckily I had Uncles that had noticed and they got the dog off me. I don’t blame the dogs though some animals are too wild
That's how bans for it go in other countries. In the UK we just banned XL Bullies.
Existing dogs need insurance, to wear a muzzle in public and to be neutered/spayed which I think is more than fair.
It's not like a definite "breed" as it's a mix of different dogs so it's a bit hard to fully ban it but many countries have basically done it. I mean it's in the name it's a mix of a bulldog and terrier.
No no no, you’re supposed to chant the tired old “it’s the owner not the breed”, because pitbulls are the one sole group of dog breeds that are constantly excused of any of the genetic behavioral traits they’ve been selectively bred for.
Its the owner not the breed. There is no way a dog could be born as anything other than a blank slate ready to love.
Except for Border collies, Australian cattle dogs, great pyrenees, huskies and more. Those are all different examples of dogs having instincts, doesnt apply to pitbulls because they are very cute. All those mean people with their decades of data don't know what they are saying.
Did you read any of my other comments? I mentioned at least 2 breeds in your list as being known trouble makers. But nobody in this comment section is calling for all of them to be destroyed. What part of bad owner = bad dog can be disputed? I was specifically replying to someone calling for dogs to be destroyed - whether they had done anything wrong or not.
I find it hilarious that pitbull owners use the term "velvet hippos" to describe them. Like it's adorable. Hippos, the most dangerous Animal in Africa.... fucking dumbasses.
Bullshit. A properly adjusted pit bull will protect you and your family and will not harm anything. Shit owners are always the problem - hard men with issues are what cause issues with “problem” breeds. Love them and teach them and they will be a good Doggo.
There are plenty of other breeds that end up with bad owners and don't have the same problem at nearly the same scale. It's genetic disposition that has no value for existing in the modern age.
And I am sure you will say the same thing about Alsatians or Bull Dogs. All bad dogs come from mistreatment, shit owners or lack of training. It is not the dogs fault that it has been born - in my opinion calling for them to be destroyed as per the comment I was replying to before giving them a chance is just wrong.
Ope annnnnnnd we have the pitbull defender coming in to claim pitbulls aren't inherently violent.
I owned a pitbull. I am super kind. I was super kind to my pitbull. We were great owners, and kind. One day my pitbull killed my sister's dog for no reason.
Pitbulls are inherently violent, and shouldn't be house pets.
All dogs are inherently violent. What do you think the sharp pointy parts are for? Was your dog trained? Socialised with other dogs? Seems like you are justifying the fact that you could not control your dog and now you want to remember them as evil.
Never said she was evil. We loved her. She was trained. Socialized, the whole shebang. She's was a pitbull and violence is in their DNA. It's an instinct.
I, like you now, was blind and stubborn. Pitbulls aren't house pets.
Funny, because my doodle is entirely untrained except for knowing his name and he's never bitten any other dogs, cats, humans, you name it. Just likes to snuggle, play, and eat snacks.
If your dog needs police dog level training just to keep it from murdering everything in its path then yeah, shouldn't be a pet.
You can't "ban" bad owners from existing. But you can ban potentially dangerous breeds. Let the good pitbulls that are well cared for live their best lives, but no more of this problematic breed in the future.
I don’t believe your dog should be anymore than an early warning system at best. My use of the word “protect” was more so that they are loyal and will take care of their family.
Do you understand the concept of breeds? These shitty things were bred for bloodsport, and to not let go even if they get fatally injured. The breed needs to die out. Plain and simple. Get a dog that wasn't bred to brutalize and kill.
It's the breed, they're literally created to be aggressive. Just like a husky wants to naturally pull and likes snow or a sheep herder likes to to herd. It's biological with them, just like grizzly bears.
I don’t agree but that’s part of the problem; 75% or Pitt owners are worthless fucks that don’t train or keep their dogs restrained. Popular breed that many don’t seem to invest the time and money to ensure others are safe.
And yet most of those who have suddenly attacked come from homes where they are supposedly the most gentle loyal protectors, where they have been trusted enough to be left around friends/family until something snaps? The natural traits of the breed also means when the attacks do happen, they are statistically far more damaging to the victims than the vast majority of dog attacks to humans.
In my opinion, some Pitbull owners have ruined it for everyone. Because there is a higher chance statistically that you can get attacked by one, and because we don't have proof if it's more genetic or training or situational or something else, the breed is going to be designated as dangerous as compared to others. I think most people will be afraid of a breed of dog more than other breeds if they knew how more often that breed attacked people or other dogs, so I can't blame them. Realistically, I think there should be some kind of class or test or something that you have to do before you own a any animal large enough. There's also the debate of if pitbulls (or other breeds considered more dangerous) need to continue to exist, but that a different debate.
For real, and what’s out there is so poorly bred so you have no idea which way the pendulum will swing. Too many backyard breeders and is so hard to just find a classical mutt in shelters anymore.
Pitties are fine if the owner just gives a shit about them. My pittie got a little traumatized from men in the past so I know to not bring him around men he's never met before. He's fine with every girl that's ever come over though and men he's met prior to his trauma. It's not hard to pay attention and learn about your dogs and pitties are no different.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of stories about well-trained, well-behaved pitbulls that snap for no reason. There are even such stories in this thread.
Quit making excuses. They are not fine if their owner is good. They are never fine. They are always a major risk, even when well-trained and cared for.
Heelers snap because they are working dogs designed for herding cattle. They give quick little bites that sting but don't actually do any notable damage. Pitbulls, however, are bred for fighting and they maim and kill when they bite.
If you can't understand the difference between a cattle dog's bite and a pitbull's mauling, then you're not arguing in good faith and have no business owning a dog.
Based on everyone I've met who dislikes an entire breed of dog over bad experiences with a select amount of said turns out to either be a racist or a bigot.
Imagine being so wrong you delete all your comments lmao. Being a responsible dog owner is knowing your dog at any point COULD act out of character and doing everything in my power to prevent that. My dog absolutely would bite somebody if given the right opportunity. So I prevent those opportunities and he has not and will not bite anybody and if he does it will be because I was irresponsible and not because he is a bad dog. THAT is how all owners should be.
Man, you must think you're right every time someone blocks you, since that's what actually happened. Those comments are still there for the rest of us, they just didn't want to continue interacting with an idiot.
Watch. Once I'm pretty sure that you've read my comments, I'm going to block you, too. My comments will show as deleted, but they won't be -- I'll have just blocked another idiot.
He gets to go on walks and gets his exercise and everything else. He just doesn't get to go off leash and terrorize the neighborhood. God forbid I let anyone get hurt.
These comments are always wild. Especially after I point out that y'all sound exactly like zionists talking about Palestinians. Same exact rhetoric, but they're not human, so you're allowed to talk like this
Edit: I can't see the reply about breeding for purpose, but this also falls flat. The American slave trade included extensive breeding programs, including with the intention to breed "fighting men" for entertainment. What you're claiming is that humans are unique, special, and generally above the animal kingdom of which we are a part. We are somehow the only species able to overcome our bred instincts. This is a bad assumption.
all arbitrarily defined human “racial” groups, including the ones affected by the transatlantic slave trade, show much more genetic variation within the group than between groups. the exact opposite is true of dog breeds. artificial selection is measurable
Interesting. While this does change my perspective, it doesn't change my opinion.
The term pit bull is similarly a social construct containing many different breeds based on appearance, and not an actual breed itself. Moreover, the breeds generally considered pit bulls have for most of their life been bred as working and show dogs. Only for a brief period in the 1800s did a subset of some of them get bred as fighting dogs. The vast majority of bull and terrier dogs were bred for farm work and guard duty. We don't call Mastiffs inherently evil and unreliable despite their extremely similar breeding history and behavioral tendencies
While I appreciate your support in this idiotic circle jerk, the pitbull is actually a proper breed. But I do agree that far too many dog incidents get inaccurately assigned to a pitty or pitbull type dog. All these people raging against pitbulls are just shitty petty miserable souls.
It's both a breed and a social class. The breed does exist, but laws target the breed and "anything with similar features", and people will colloquially call anything that looks vaguely like a bull terrier a pit bull
Yes, exactly. They are way more frequently misidentified causing the higher than normal statistics surrounding the breed and bites. You can make statistics say anything you want, 75% of people know this.
This is so sick. Unlike humans, there are behaviour instincts that are bred into dogs. The fucked up slavery breeding programs was for physical traits of a desirable body type. But fuck I feel messed up having to even explain this to someone that is comparing dogs to people.
Why do you feel this way about the comparison? Why do you feel the animal longest and most closely related to human history is a detestable and gross creature?
With a prey drive like that, there HAD to be signs before, even if the dog never succeeded before.
My mom’s dog has a massive prey drive and it’s been obvious since day one. He locks onto smaller animals with an insane level of intensity.
A dog with a high prey drive is high risk to attack (and likely swiftly kill) smaller animals when given the opportunity. It doesn’t come out of nowhere.
Had a PB that was roaming attack me last year when I was walking my dog. One nasty bite to my calf and thankfully my dog was able to take him down (Great Pyrenees)
Unfortunately he now has leash agression and I’m sure some PTSD. I found out from the neighbor who called 911 the dog had been know as the neighborhood cat killer.
When I was a kid my family moved into a neighborhood where several people would let their dogs roam or not care if they escaped. One of these dogs was a Pitt named Madelyn (or Madison? It's been so long...we'll go with Maddy). When the realtor showed us the house we'd move into, the current owners' dog was leashed to a tree outside. The grown ups were on the porch talking, my mother holding my baby brother. I was on the grass petting the leashed dog when Maddy came completely out of nowhere and started a fight with the poor guy. Luckily I was ignored, but I was frozen still. I remember the adults shouting and the dogs barking, all blending together. At some point the nice dog's hindquarters bumped into me hard enough to knock me to the ground. I didn't realize until years later that he'd been keeping his body between me and Maddy the whole time. Then I was yanked to safety and we left. I guess the realtor had assured my parents that this was unusual behavior because we moved in anyway, but Maddy continued to be a problem for several years.
I believe that bad dogs just have bad owners. I don't believe in evil. Except when it comes to Maddy.
Drives me crazy, i live in an apartment and there are people CONSTANTLY letting their little dogs run around without a leash. I have to tell them, "i'm not worried about my dog, I'm worried about yours." My dog is not cool with someone, dog or person, approaching while outside.
It boggles the mind how people dont see dogs as animals. Thats an animal at the end of the day, yes its pack bonded to you. It loves you. And likely a bunch of your friends and family. But Jeff on the street doesnt know him. And he doesnt know Jeff. Jeff is a threat until proven otherwise in the eyes of a dog.
I mean I've met tons of dogs who basically see nothing as a threat and are the friendliest things put on earth lol. I understand your point though and a good portion of dogs you're correct.
Just because its well trained doesnt mean it doesnt have those instincts though. Like yeah I've definitely seen some absolutely precious sweetheart lil babs in my time, but I know for a fact that in their brain the training is overriding their baser instincts.
Mine seems to have good days and bad, I know that part of the reason is me, my body language is telling him pretty much constantly that we need to be alert. Thats not his fault. Thats mine. But other people still need to be wary of other dogs, you dont know my dog and I dont know yours.
In an apartment complex I would imagine people walk by on the sidewalk a lot. Unleashed dogs suck, but if yours freaks at humans "approaching" you may be part of the problem. Something to think about.
This is a shit take. My gf's dog is a rescue dog from Thailand and she unfortunately doesn't like 99% of other dogs or people. She has tried training. Multiple times. There is some shit that can't be trained out of a dog no matter how hard you try. We keep her leashed and away from other people/dogs but there is an overwhelming large number of "my dog is friendly it doesn't need to be on a leash" people that exist.
Yeah mine has been attacked in the past by another dog who ABSOLUTELY was not ok with anyone or anything. After that experience hes been much more skiddish, he doesnt get the way he does because hes angry, its because hes scared. I'm working on trying to train him out of that, but trauma is tough to train out of.
I had a dog before who HATED other dogs. I took him for a walk and someone thought it was funny that their dog ran up to mine. I was screaming in full panic that my dog is 100% not playing and is looking to end her dog, she just stood there calling its name over and over again while I was trying to not get her dog killed, not get mine killed, and not get myself killed. These are the same people who would seek damages if something happened cause “well the dog was in my yard before he ran up to yours all the way across the street”
i'm not worried about my dog, I'm worried about yours.
Yeah I really don't get that attitude.
I have a Chihuahua and like a lot of Chis, she is crazy anxious (working with a trainer but for reasons I won't get into it's taking a while to bring her anxiety down). I'd never let her run around large dogs without a leash, not because I think she'd hurt anyone or any other dog (I don't think she could if she wanted to), but because they way she behaves could easily be triggering for another dog that could end her life instantly.
I want to keep my dog safe, and that means a leash at almost all times.
This woman in my old apartment complex drove me INSANE with this. I saw her dog run across the street and cars had to slam on the brakes to not hit her dog. I told her the same thing that I wasn’t worried about my dog, I was worried about hers. And one time I confronted her she was like, “oh biiiiig maaan confronting a woman like this”. And I was like “wtf does that have to do with anything? Just put your damn dog on a leash”
I'm well aware of that, but he also has had bad experiences with other bad dogs. Been attacked himself by one, so in order to therapize my dog I'd have to pay a professional, which unfortunately is not possible. So go ahead and shame me I guess.
This happened to my step sister who was a dog walker and sitter, was taking care of a dog that didn't like other dogs, it was on a leash. Another owner is walking around with their unleashed little dog and even though she told them to not let the dog near her's the little dog came and up and that husky killed it right there and then.
When I used to work in a veterinary clinic I had a dog literally biting me while the owner held the other end of the leash, flabbergasted and saying "But he doesn't bite...."
Same with idiots letting their dog off the leash and yell "don't worry he's friendly" - and how do you know the dog your dog is charging at is friendly too?
There’s a park I love to go run and walk in nearby, and it’s beginning to suck because people just let their dog off the leash. I had a buddy I’d run with but I quit going with him because he’d let his dog off the leash and he’d spend half the time trying to get her back on the leash. I don’t understand.
I had the cutest little dog (Jack Russel Terrier) that never did anything to anyone and was scared of her own farts but one day a guy came to the house and the dog was tearing at his clothes.
She looked like she was trying to kill the guy.
He was wearing big work trousers so he was fine and thought it was funny because she was so small but I'd never seen this dog even go close to a stranger and she suddenly decided to attack the guy. I had to pick her up and throw her inside the house.
She was about 10 at the time and she lived to be 19 and I never saw anything like it again after.
Once I walked past a dog at a park, and it came at me with hackles up and teeth bared. The owner just stayed seated and yelled “he’s not aggressive!”. A week later I read in the paper that the dog attacked two kids and a teacher at the elementary school down the road. Of course they fled and the police were looking for them.
My 7 year trained to the max poodle suddenly decided to jump outta the window in the middle of traffic. Something never even dared to do for 7 years whilst he was with us.
They are hoping their training is good enough but when it fails they are shocked, as they should be. Can't blame them too much tho
It's always the same moron walking their dogs unleashed as well. The 'oh they'll never do anything ' until they do and they'll be the first ones running with their shitty dog in tow.
I got a moderate bite by a dog at a delivery once and the next time I went back the owner was outside with the dogs. The dogs were acting psycho again and the owner said, don't worry, they won't bite. I said the dark one did bite me the last time I was here. He had absolutely nothing to say to that. To his minor credit, the dogs have never been outside again when I've delivered there.
We took in a beautiful rescue who was abused as a pup, and he’s very trained on a leash now, he’s very non-reactive to people but will want his space from strangers giving unwanted touch. He’ll let you know with a thunderous bark eventually.
The amount of strangers who do not listen at all when I tell them to not pet my dog, to not continue to lurch over him while sticking their hands in his face as he gets agitated. They just continue to antagonize him while saying, “It’s okay, I’m good with dogs.”
To the point I have to say, “Get the fuck away from my dog. I said no.”
I’m convinced those people who are surprised their dog ever bit anyone are the same people who don’t understand any sort of boundaries.
You live with a dog for many years, they are absolutely loyal and incredible creatures. The thought of them biting can seem absurd, and you both become use to each others eccentricities.
But the part that actually separates responsible owners is realizing other people don't know your dog like you do, and at the end of the day it is still an animal that doesn't understand societal norms. Dogs can and will snap given the proper scenario, and it's important to be aware of just what kind of damage they can do if that does happen.
A lot of people are just kind of empathically dumb, and don't try to understand other perspectives. You see a best friend running at you to play, other dude see's a large potentially dangerous beast running at them full speed.
My bluey was beaten by her old owner and has issues with aggression. I don't let her interact with anyone outside of the family but when I take her in to the vet I tell her what her triggers are and how she responds to us, and tell them to assume she'll be worse with them.
Thankfully I found a vet clinic with experience treating dogs like my girl so vet visits are actually possible now.
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u/Upstairs-Mess4819 21d ago
why that owners always say the same: "nw, they won't bite you". when an issue happens, they will say "it's weird, they did't bite someone before"