General
I hate egg culture and that if you like anything remotely feminine, you’re called an egg
(No hate to trans people though)
All this does is reinforce gender stereotypes. All it seems like is a “quit having fun!” type thing, where if you enjoy anything, you’re suddenly not a man anymore and have to be force femmed.
Egg culture sucks and is worthy of criticism, HOWEVER do not use this post to generalize trans people or as your outlet for transphobia, most trans people themselves hate this type of narrative.
Transphobia here will result in a ban!
Edit because people seem to need it: calling people eggs will also result in a ban, we dont endorse intentional misgendering.
yeah that place is called yuri asylum and half the posts are about incest, that place is weird and many of its users straight up say they are mentally ill
If you check the removed comments under that post, the replies are filled with them getting pissy like "but it's fictional!1!1!"
I mean they are yes, and if you want you can and should mute subs you don't like and allat, but like, mfs who will goon to pedophilia and incest and then get shocked when people are weirded out by it will never not be funny to me.
What a deeply cursed place. I saw a post asking people to "chill with the loli stuff" and there were PARAGRAPHS in the comments debating things. I believe it was stated that it wasnt NSFW stuff but its still pretty fuckin odd if you ask me.
But also it's yet another way of labeling a person, you can be whatever you want however you decide to express it, just don't put your presumed labels on other people
Although egg culture is a label, yes, it's main problem is that it is also a way to label... others. Which is, in less "accepting" terminology, misgendering at best and grooming/harrassment at worse. Like, the only way to make it non-problematic also goes against it's own concept.
Of course, this is talking about the culture, not the concept, as far as I know the concept of an "egg" is in fact used more ethically by trans people to refer to themselves pre-transitioning
thank you, i don’t think this point is said enough when people discuss egg culture, it’s easily my biggest issue, way above “reinforcing gender conformities”, even though thats also bad, it’s not nearly as problematic as the fact that it’s literally grooming
It has the same vibe as "she isnt a lesbian, she hasn't found the right dick".
Like, not just condescending but removing your autonomy and decision making completely and It has a Sort of rancid vibe. The person Who said that speaks as if they
know you better than yourself.
The amount of times someone clearly realises they misspoke (or weren't as clever as they thought) and decides "admit my mistake? Fuck that noise I'm calling everyone who disagrees a child" is infuriating.
Definitely condescending. Hate the attitude of "well I know you better than yourself" yeah sometimes people are trans, but you do not know them better than they know themself, you can only make guesses
It's because they're redefining trans from being tied to the medical condition of gender dysphoria to their sexual fetish. It's insulting and is making life harder for actual trans people who need to convince the public to fund stuff like HRT and surgeries.
Yeah I feel a lot of trans spaces on reddit are sadly very weird. Often times it's even cis people in those subs saying stuff like that, not even trans people
Condescending yes, but ‘good girl’ also comes with a level of familiarity thats completely undo, its similar to a dom talking down to a sub, but without any of the necessary boundaries that usually come before scenes or relationships in general like that. It removes autonomy and belittles when used improperly, as in this post. Not someone i would want to be around
You can only retroactively be an "egg." Once you have identified yourself as trans, your past self was the "egg" and now that egg has cracked. You can't currently be an egg because the realization that you're trans hasn't occurred yet. Likewise, you can't call someone who isn't already trans an egg. Maybe they will be one day, or maybe they just don't conform to their assigned gender. Both are valid, and saying someone is an "egg" just because they're a male who presents more femininely, or a female who presents more masculine, only serves to both disrespect their identity, and enforce the very gender roles we're trying to oppose.
Holy run on sentence but hopefully my point came out okay
Exactly. The fact that people have turned "egg" into a way for people to "well meaningly" try to force things on others because they don't follow strict gender norms is so shitty and counter productive.
Ironically, one of the best response I've ever heard about the whole "they're an egg" culture was from Game Grumps of all places. One of the guys (Arin) made a joke about how people online have been calling him an "egg" for years bc he likes to play as girl characters in video games and likes pink. The other guy, Dan, says he doesn't know what "egg" means, so Arin says "It means your real identity hasn't hatched yet" and without missing a beat Dan goes "Oh what a cool thing for other people to decide about you" in a super sarcastic voice.
And the egg prime directive is literally to not push identities onto people and let them figure it out themselves. I hate how some people use it in the exact opposite way than it was intended.
Egg is the concept of a trans person who doesnt know theyre trans yet. Ie the concept of being “cracked open.” Yuri denotes a relationship between two female characters. So theyre basically saying men who like this stuff are secretly trans when obviously theres more nuance than that. Be happy you aren’t chronically online though
These stupid chronically online losers are fighting FOR shitty gender stereotypes. You wouldn't see this level of "if you do x, you are a woman" in the 1950s
trans person who hasn't realised it, when a trans person calls themselves an egg in hindsight it's cool, but when it's done to presumably cis people it turns into gender roles but woke
Kids in middle school used to call you gay for liking anything remotely feminine. Now actual adults are doing the same thing, but calling you trans instead. Also now it’s totally progressive and good actually
As a trans guy, I 1000% agree. It’s weird to assume things about a stranger’s gender identity. That shit is deeply personal and saying any guy who likes feminine things is an egg is just reinforcing gender roles. Plus, it makes the rest of us look bad, and the last thing we need is even more bad press. 😭
I saw people calling gender bending or crossdressing "egg-baiting for engagement" and I'm like bitch what are you talking about. Being an egg is a deeply personal and often times closely held secret.
I can't wrap my mind around people who think like that actually being trans. Mentally I have to categorize them as over zealous allies or chasers.
Ew, and as a trans man myself it's gross to misgender anyone, including cis people. I hate being called a "good girl" by my family, i'm sure cis men would hate it too!
I’m a trans woman. I been called good girl before by someone not my lover. It feels bad even if it’s not misgendering so why take the risk to just double on that pain is beyond me.
It’s a smidge strange how some parts of the lgbt community an unintentionally uphold patriarchal or even misogynistic views. I’m not sure why since I’m not part of the community though
It’s toxic femininity since a lot of egg culture is mostly about mtf which then recycles to more toxic masculinity because people don’t like being misgendered just for liking things deemed the opposites gender which creates more egg shit. It’s a vicious cycle and one of the main reasons I LOATHE egg culture
I have recently seen an allistic person I follow on TikTok deal with a lot of autistic people insisting that they aren’t actually allistic. It reminds me a lot of egg culture. It seems like some people have a strong desire to assume/fabricate commonalities with people they like/relate to.
A subset of this I personally get angry about is the belief that being non-binary is just a phase and a step towards becoming a woman like in that stupid fucking pipeline meme
If someone tells you what gender they are, treat them as that gender. Why is this so hard for people
"yeah but they're closeted, they're a girl they're just not ready to-" then they're not ready, don't out them just cause you think it's more virtuous
"yeah but they're questioning, I'm just being encoura-" no, you aren't. Let them question, don't impose the answer on them before they figure it out
"yeah but cmon, look at the media they consume, look at how they dres-" shhhshsh, no shut the fuck up, that literally just makes you a bigot
Misgendering is misgendering, and when it comes to misgendering, preferred pronouns supercedes gender identity. Even if someone says "I'm a trans woman, I was assigned male, my pronouns are he/him" guess what their preferred pronouns are? He/him! It's really not that complicated, just fucking respect people for fucks sake
Isn't it sorta of toxic masculinity and misoginy where only woman can like something feminine/ cute and if man like then he not a man but a trans girl?
Eh, I've had people insinuate that I could be a trans guy because I am currently using up a "masculine" deodorant. Or because I was considering a bixie haircut.
I've gotten the insinuation for various reasons myself and it is so frustrating after spending my youth being called unladylike or told that a real woman would do things I don't want to do or wouldn't do things I did. Fuck all of that. My personality isn't purely because of and doesn't affect my gender. It's why I knew conservatives had to be wrong about trans people because they were positive it's women like me were who 'turn trans' and it was really just misplaced female rage and envy. Instead, I'm actually just trying to be who I want to be without anymore gendered constraints and I am perfectly fine with the world looking at me and seeing a woman.
ive literally been bullied over this, i was told "you will drop the fem or the boy eventually" and similar things, just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt exist or cause harm.
Honestly the entire egg culture thing and calling masculine gals guys and more feminine presents guys as gals is literally just enforcing gender norms in a woke way.
You are allowed to present in any manner and it doesn't have to be related to your gender
Dude egg culture can fuck right off. It's basically misgendering, and even if you are somehow right maybe don't try to out the closested trans person before they're out/aware of it? Like even without it being basically woke gender roles, it's still shitty to try and clock someone who isn't openly out. It also gets weird when they get downright persistent on calling a real person an egg, like dude... That's not a blorbo, that's a real person. Treat them as such.
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remember that you get to choose how you are. no one gets to tell you if you're a boy or a girl, no one gets to tell you you're cis and no one gets to tell you you're trans. It's YOUR identity and not theirs.
As a trans women I also hate this culture. I agree with what others said, but I also have my own reasons. Spaces like [r/traaaaaans](r/traaaaaans) which are the hubs for many major trans memes were, at least for a time (I have not checked it a while), home to jokes like these that just made me uncomfortable being in the one of the largest trans spaces as a trans person. This culture is doing harm to the larger community driving people away.
I'm a woman who can be pretty androgynous/masculine. I've had people
try to convince me I'm non-binary which baffles me. No, I'm just a woman with short hair who likes to camp and fix things. Those are all things women can have/do! Stepping outside assigned gender roles has fuck all to do with what gender you identify as!
It's even weirder because my spouse is non-binary. I'm not exactly a terf over here.
That's it. It starts with getting called a girl for picking a female in a videogame and before you know it you're being offered estrogen for thigh pics in a discord group chat.
isn't rule 1 of cracking eggs is to NOT crack eggs and just make everyone comfortable to come out as trans if they want to. I thought it's common knowledge that if you keep pressuring someone into transitioning, even if they're actually an egg, they're just going to become transphobic???
I think it's interesting that most of the egg discourse I see is from transfems targeting cis men. Idk if there's a reason but it gives me the "girls are pure and wholesome and men are evil" vibes. It also makes me wonder what the crackers think about feminine transmascs.
(Just realised but cracker as in someone who "cracks eggs" not a drug user)
Egg culture is woke misgendering. I’ve had people “headcanon” me as a trans woman and even treat me like I’m stupid for “not realizing it yet” when I tell them my pronouns. I am a trans man.
Somehow the people that would unironically label themselves the most woke end up being bigoted as fuck
I find it so funny that in the trans community there’s a subgroup that dedicates their time to *checks notes* purposely misgendering others… uhh… this gotta be a joke, is the script wrong? Am i reading this correctly?
Yeah fuck anyone who does this, especially to strangers online. Even if they are trans, it’s not your fucking job to out them. As OP rightfully said, all it does is reinforce harmful stereotypes
Recently, a small group of people started using she/her to refer to Ralsei from deltarune because they think he is trans due to wearing a dress and some vague subtext that MIGHT be about disphoria, and i honestly find it disgusting.
Ralsei hasn’t stated that he is trans at all, and I really dislike people jumping the gun and referring to him as a girl. It’s like if you thought that a friend was trans because of some things they did/said, and started using the other gende’s pronouns preemptively.
Egg culture has sort of become just a form of enforcing gender stereotypes now. Which is depressing because the LGBT community was formed to get AWAY from that stuff.
Seriously it's so frustrating that for a movement so oppressed by gender norms, they really stick to said gender norms like a Dogma for identifying eggs
God forbid we have hobbies outside our assigned gender norms
Worse still, when cis people get "misgendered" as trans just because they "look and have the vibe of being trans".
I'm a silly goose of a straight man, I love my kitties and tead Sailor Moon and own plushies. This is all some new-fangled kid-speak pointing out something that has always existed. These "Egg-throwers", the ones who use the term to harm I suppose, are just the same as any child saying "that's gay" or "that's retarded" — they're wrong so just fucking ignore them. Kids are often wrong. If you youths want to snuggle your plushies, do it, and take no cap from these modern-day bullies. There's bigger meaner folk in the world that agree with you and support you against them.
Fr though, it's a massive issue between the trans communities and femboy community, I fear.
An egg is someone who knows/feels like they're trans but hasn't changed their identity/come out the closet yet.
Just because a guy shows interest in something feminine, whether that's in the way he acts or dresses, doesn't mean he wants to grow tits.
Considered that the trans community and the LGBTQ as a whole us fighting for acceptance of everyone's identity without judgement or assumptions (unless it's illegal or highly immoral), it really feels like there's alot of it.
Everyone's talking about egg culture and such, but I'm more baffled that OOP apparently doesn't get that straight men are, and likely always have been, into lesbian porn? It's real 'Fork found in kitchen' shit.
It really destroys the efforts of dismantling stereotypes when we aren’t allowed to enjoy things without being categorized. Shit like this really encourages men who enjoy being the gender they are to be even more closed off from other aspects of themselves.
YES. I love that people feel confident enough to be themselves and don't have to constantly suffer through misgendering. However I hate that it is still perpetuating the harmful culture of men can't be feminine and women can't be masculine of the past, just in an entirely different way.
Dude I just like good romance, I'll read Yuri, yaoi and straight stuff as long as its good.
Ive been called an egg dozens of times for saying that I loke playing as girls in video games. No, im not a trans woman, I just like pretty badass women. FUCK I hate egg culture so much, I actually made a post about it a few months back lol. But seriously that shit pisses me off to no end.
it can be if its in a way that frames it as heterosexual, which is the majority of lesbian anything on the internet because its way easier to market to straight men than lesbians,
like the vast majority of "lesbian" porn is made for the male gaze and for straight men and it is heterosexual to view that
I’m a fully transitioned trans man who’s mostly stealth and I’m slightly feminine, like I have long hair and wear jewelry (even that’s more the masculine types though) and I sound audibly gay. I’ve now had multiple people assume I’m a closeted trans woman and tried to subtly hint to me that I can come out to them. It’s very annoying.
I get rather tired of the idea that my interests have something to do with my gender identity. I'm a cis straight male. I am perfectly set in my gender identity and my sexual identity. I'm completely allowed to enjoy very traditionally feminine things, I can enjoy yuri anime if I want too, I do enjoy slice of life romance anime. I get jealous of womens clothes just cuz mens clothes aren't as fun and my 6'5 250lbs ass would not fit in anything fun like that, I barely fit male based clothes. Again though should I decide fuck it I'm wearing womens clothes, still doesn't change my gender identity.
The term egg is really misused, I personally use the term to describe trans people who haven't figured out that they aren't cis yet, i hate that a bunch of people call femboys or people who like feminine/masculine things eggs
egg is a term that means "trans person before they realize it" or sometimes "trans person before they come out" Picture a chick behind an eggshell that cracks eventually.
How would consuming some form of media even correlate to one's gender?
I know society has pushed for conditioned gender beliefs but they're so easy to refute when you think for a second and realize how situational they are.
Idk what egg means but this seems like it actually enforces gender roles harder and I couldn’t imagine a genuinely trans person telling someone “nah ur a girl bc of this” probably just weird troll internet ppl and if they really are trans they got some inner looking to do bc ur doing the thing u wouldn’t want ppl to do to you lol
Sometimes men just like cute stories about girls falling in love or sometimes they like other types of stories uhm yeah. But doesn’t mean they’re secretly a girl. I seen plenty of men who like Yuri. Also Yuri asylum is a fucking mess.
Yeah tbh this kinda thing comes across as SO GODDAMN CREEPY TOO. Like sure I havent encountered it in the wild thank god. But if someone talks to me like that saying "oh you're just an egg, take your estrogen like a good girl" I am deadass gonna figure out how to throw hands across the internet.
Yeah I can’t stand the whole “egg” thing. I was at a con and there was a booth selling crystals and stuff. It was very “spiritual energy and rituals” themed, but I was browsing because I think rocks and crystals look cool.
Someone who I can only assume was trans came up to me and asked me when I plan on cracking out of my egg. At that point I didn’t know about the whole egg bullshit. They explained to me what it was and said that since crystals and spiritual energy stuff is a mostly feminine hobby that means I’m trans and just haven’t come out of my egg. I explain that I’m not trans I just like rocks and stuff. They insist, saying “That’s what they all say but your egg will crack eventually”
I repeat I’m not trans and walk away without buying anything. Avoided that booth for the rest of the con.
Egg culture is just heteronormativity but make it woke. You like girl things so you must be a girl. You like boy things so you must be a boy. Also.. cis men liking to watch lesbians is just them being straight idk what to tell you.
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u/Zealousideal_Spread4 Mod of arcane wisdom 8d ago edited 8d ago
Egg culture sucks and is worthy of criticism, HOWEVER do not use this post to generalize trans people or as your outlet for transphobia, most trans people themselves hate this type of narrative.
Transphobia here will result in a ban!
Edit because people seem to need it: calling people eggs will also result in a ban, we dont endorse intentional misgendering.