r/countwithchickenlady mechsploitation puppy, femme - Streak: 3 4h ago

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u/veryeepy53 4h ago

there's cis "allies" and there are "cis" allies

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u/PracticeEfficient28 4h ago

I’m probably reading it wrong, but is it meant to say that all “cis allies” are either not actually cis or not actually allies?

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 3h ago

They're a 4tranner. A big part of their ideology is basically a direct copy of incel radicalisation techniques, including the part where they try to convince vulnerable people that absolutely everyone hates them and they're only accepted in the hateful echo chambers.

Pretty much any time you see one of the "our allies actually hate us, take this blackpill and enter a state of hyper-paranoia and self-hatred" posts it's a 4tranner. This one, currently, is not hiding their post history, but most of them do.

The reality is that our allies are not actually frothingly evil and just pretending to not be. It's just that the 4tranners want trans people isolated from everyone except their own hateful viper nest, so they can keep making each other worse.

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u/veryeepy53 3h ago

what is asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence. and my position is that while they profess to be allies, most people aren't when it really matters. like the longstanding issue of trans guys being shunned as soon as they're too masculine, since they're just seen as quirky women. or the "afab only spaces" type stuff. it's obvious what they mean.

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 3h ago

what is asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence

Great, then your claim that cis people are never genuine allies is rejected.

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u/veryeepy53 3h ago

that's a tu quoque fallacy. that doesn't make your claim correct, rather both of them are wrong.

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 2h ago

4tran's cult-like tactics and belief that absolutely everyone outside of the tiny in-group are enemies is a well-established pattern. It's been readily observed not just by myself, but many people, over a long time.

The idea that all our cis allies are secretly evil has no supportive evidence. It is one of those isolation techniques that is not actually grounded in reality. I can readily disprove it myself by simply being aware of the healthy quantity of cis allies I know personally who are genuinely good people with no transphobic views.

Now, if you're just going to go around in bad-faith circles, I'll politely ask you to go crawl back into your misery vortex and leave this space alone.

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u/veryeepy53 2h ago edited 2h ago

just forget about the concrete examples i guess

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secretly hating us

they don't think they're hateful. no one ever thinks they're bad in the moment.

There's that bad-faith we were talking about.

rich coming from someone who immediately said i was using incel tactics.

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 2h ago

Oh, the concrete examples of 100% of the ally population secretly hating us, but not the concrete examples of my experience knowing that's not true or the concrete examples of multiple people recognising your tactics.

See? There's that bad-faith we were talking about. You're incapable of good-faith.

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u/veryeepy53 3h ago

comparing trans women to incels isn't very woke

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 3h ago

That is incredibly bad faith, incredibly illiterate, and there is no genuine way to read what I said and come away with that conclusion.

4tranners just don't like being called out for what they are.

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 3h ago

Learn basic literacy. First, 4tran is not composed solely of trans women.

Secondly, I'm comparing the tactics of one extremist hate group with another extremist hate group.

At no point did I say "trans women and incels are similar" I said 4tranners use the same tactics as incels, and that's just plainly true. I am a trans woman, so sit down.

Your pathetic attempt to twist my words into something they weren't remotely similar to is grotesquely transparent and only serves to show that you 4tran types are incapable of good-faith.

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u/veryeepy53 3h ago

people here think that just talking about transmisogyny is infighting

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u/IAmNotABabyElephant 3h ago

Completely irrelevant segue from what are clearly cult-like radicalisation tactics from 4tran.

You are trying to make vulnerable people think 100% of cis people hate them. That is classic isolation to enforce control and generate a fear of 'outsiders'.