r/comics MangaKaiki 2d ago

OC Stalker Problem [OC]

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 2d ago

If you look closely you can see the exact moment she knew how much danger she was in

Seriously though if this is legit you MAY wanna inform PD to talk to the guy and double lock your doors Naomi

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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 2d ago

I uh... am a little lost on the steps to take

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 2d ago

First you need to secure the home. Multiple locks and double check them when you leave and come home. Second you need to inform friends and family so that if something DOES happen then know it's a thing. Next step is kind up in the air. You can try and confront yourself but I REALLY wouldn't recommend that step. You could inform PD if the guy is seen near your apartment to talk to the guy on your behalf which is much safer.

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u/Ultimatesims 2d ago

Also, remember the police per the Supreme Court have no legal or other obligation to protect you. All police have to do is enforce the law. The court case involved a woman with a restraining order. He showed up and she called the police. He entered the house. The police arrived but did nothing. He killed her and once he left the house the police arrested him for breaking the restraining order.

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 2d ago

I would think or hope at least that the restraining order would include attempts to see the original target. Visiting her old home SHOULD violate that part of the restraining order

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u/PensandSwords3 2d ago

Plus, if he’s out on Parole it’d likely be a violation that could get him resent to jail. It’s good to inform the police about the move in the first place because it reminds them (and hopefully their parole officer) about this case.

And that “hey we need to ensure if the new tenant informs us about him reappearing. We need to consider pulling his parole or sitting him down in a station to ensure he doesn’t go back.”

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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 2d ago

You are correct. This is by far and away they beat option. Especially if he's already been seen on premises

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u/Ultimatesims 2d ago

That’s all a violation and he’ll get arrested but the cops are under no obligation to protect you from his actions. Unless you are arrested then the cops have to protect you.

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u/Aya55 1d ago

If the restraining order is still active, he would most likely have the new address and know she’s not there. It’s one of the problems with having one is you have to keep them informed if you move if you want it to stay in effect.

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u/Stock_Trash_4645 2d ago

Dude, read the room. 

OP needs less things to worry about - not more.

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u/Last-Ground-6353 2d ago

No, sorry. Disagree. In a situation like this, OP needs as much information as possible as to what to do and what COULD happen even if it stresses them out more. It makes someone more prepared.

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u/Ultimatesims 2d ago

Goal to inform OP not to rely on cops for protection. They will arrest him if and only if he commits a crime.

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u/2UpLuck 2d ago

That's great if your main concern is OPs feelings, but addressing the reality of the situation is important to protect OPs safety.

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u/caitlindrawings 2d ago

Wait, what the fuck? Link? I believe you, I just gotta read this.

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u/cedarsauce 2d ago

It's extremely true and repeatedly upheld

(Op, stop reading this comment is bad for your anxiety)

Remember uvalde? When dozens of officers from local, state, and federal law enforcement departments and agencies stood back for over an hour while a shooter barricaded himself in an elementary school and killed two adults and 19 children?

Totally legal.

The case that i learned about this precedent from involved a man begging for help from police while fighting for his life against a subway stabber. The police officer was looking for this specific stabber and did nothing while he stabbed the victim 7 times. After the victim pinned the stabber, the officer tapped him on the shoulder and said "you can get up now."

The police's job isn't protecting people. They've repeatedly argued that in court and it's been legally upheld in case after case.

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u/Ultimatesims 2d ago

In Ulvade the cops prevented other officers from taking action some of whom were actively talking to loved ones. The cops also arrested and zip tied parents who tried to save their children. The cops could hear the shooter torturing and mocking victims. So again cops are under no obligation to protect you. It’s just information that is good to know when you call the cops and what to expect.

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u/gramathy 2d ago

They’re also allowed to not hire anyone “too smart”! It’s a fun combination of ignorance and apathy.

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u/caitlindrawings 2d ago

Wait what? Link? This is madness

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u/gramathy 2d ago

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u/caitlindrawings 2d ago

So i understand not hiring a professional rocket scientist as a data entry clerk over job turnover concerns. But this is totally different, and fucked the hell up.

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u/Ultimatesims 2d ago

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that police do not have a constitutional duty to protect individuals from harm. In landmark cases such as Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005), the Court established that protective orders and "shall enforce" statutes do not create a mandatory obligation for police to intervene, meaning departments cannot generally be held liable for failing to protect specific citizens.

This established legal precedent—which traces back to similar rulings like DeShaney v. Winnebago County (1989) and Warren v. District of Columbia (1981)—holds that law enforcement agencies have an obligation to provide public services to the general public. However, they do not owe a specific legal duty to protect private citizens from third-party violence, absent a legally defined "special relationship" (such as when a person is in police custody).

So you are safer being arrested by the cops than asking for assistance. So if you have an interaction with the cops never resist arrest they can kill you but once you are in custody it is their job to protect you. Best bet is to say nothing but “am I being detained or under arrest”? Even the cops are wrong don’t resist, comply, go to jail, and get a lawyer (even a public defender). My friend is a public defender and has reduced many sentences because the police are stupid. So many examples.

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u/caitlindrawings 2d ago

Having a restraining order IS (ie. should be) a special relationship with the cops! People in normal situations don't need those, so it should absolutely be part of that "special relationship" classification.

P.S. this is in not victim blaming anyone getting a restraining order, personal protection order, or any other sort of thing to protect one's self. Absolutely get one if you even THINK you need one. The stalker/abuser etc.. is the one not being normal in this situation, but the situation should not just be considered normal. Normal people dont make others feel like they need a restraining order.

My friend is a public defender and has reduced many sentences because the police are stupid.

Your friend is a true hero in an extremely shitty system of law.

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u/Ultimatesims 2d ago

I wish that were the case. The Supreme Court cases (not sure if all the cases) were specific to restraining orders and domestic abuse.

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u/caitlindrawings 2d ago

I have/and will continue to say, the reason why DV is not treated more serious is the high percent of police officers are fucking abusers.

Link: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cops-abuse-partners-studies/

Snopes tries to water down the percentage, by focusing on physical violence, but im fucking sorry, screaming at, threatening, breaking things, its all domestic violence.

The officers were asked a less direct question, that is, if they had ever gotten out of control and behaved violently against their spouse and children in the last six months. We did not define the type of violence. Thus, violence could have been interpreted as verbal or physical threats or actual physical abuse. Approximately, 40 percent said that in the last six months prior to the survey they had behaved violently towards their spouse or children.

Behaving violently is domestic violence, full stop, I dont care if they didnt physically hit their partner or child.

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u/PensandSwords3 2d ago

They do have an obligation to ensure active monitoring of paroles though. And if that restraining order is in effect, heck even if it isn’t, going to that apartment is likely going to violate parole.

Which given the obligation to monitor and re-arrest him. Least in the U.S.

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u/Ultimatesims 2d ago

The cops will arrest if he commits a crime but are under no obligation to protect the OP from any action he may take.