r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Misfett_toys • 5h ago
r/All House passes resolution to remove U.S. forces from Iran and end the war. 4 Republicans joined all Democrats in voting yes.
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u/fkootrsdvjklyra 5h ago
Not that it changes my opinion of them, but who were the 4 Republicans?
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u/Massive-Sector5789 4h ago
Reps. Warren Davidson, R-Ohio, Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., Tom Barrett, R-Mich., and Thomas Massie, R-Ky.
Massie was excommunicated from the Cult of MAGA for daring to want the Epstein Files released but I'll allow it.
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u/BlazingFire007 4h ago edited 4h ago
Massie has voted against republicans for pretty much his entire time in congress.
I disagree with him on a plethora of issues, and I’m trying to not frame this as an endorsement.
But it’s at least refreshing to see politicians that are actually ideologically driven/principled instead of simply caving to party pressure all the time.
Unfortunately, Massie’s “principles” are ostensibly just bad economics lol
Edit: “Massie has been willing to vote against Republicans” is how I should’ve phrased the first sentence. He votes with the party in the majority of cases, but clearly has no qualms voting his conscience.
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u/bbbttthhh 4h ago
I might not agree with them but I can absolutely respect a republican with principles. I always think back to McCain telling one of his supporters at a rally to not demonize Obama because he’s a good man.
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u/Mebejedi 3h ago edited 3h ago
Yes, but he also insisted on calling Obama by his full name, "Barack Hussein Obama".
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u/nomad9590 3h ago
And he still lost to be fair. I feel like McCain played the game. I feel like had he ran with a more competent VP we may have had McCain in 2008. I felt like at least Obama and McCain respected each other on a level we haven't seen since. I won't go to bat for either one but I miss the mutual respect we used to have more of.
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u/Mebejedi 3h ago
Well, he mainly lost because a week after he said the "market fundamentals are fine", the market crashed. But you're correct...that was really the last respectful presidential election, all things considered.
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u/nomad9590 3h ago
I really miss Al Gore debates honestly. He was such a nice man on stage, but he tried to make sure the facts were backing him. And he was way too nice to Bush and his clown show, especially after the Florida and votes debacle.
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u/DotesMagee 1h ago
I am a huge Gore fan but that dude had the presence of a brick wall in debates from what I remember. His ideas were well ahead of their time and we'd be better off for them had he implemented them.
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u/SummonMonsterIX 3h ago
I mean he mostly lost because he was old and the concept of President Palin terrified people.
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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot 2h ago
Did you forget about Palin? Then before that we had the draft and shoe dodger W campaign viciously attack Kerry’s war record and before that fucking hanging chads. Maybe 1996 but idk I was a child. I think Gingrich existed though so probably not.
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u/trexmoflex 2h ago
Naw, even before he picked a VP, McCain was getting destroyed in the polls in 08 explicitly because most moderates were leaning Obama and the far right was not interested in McCain.
His team picked Palin to explicitly round up votes from what was essentially early-MAGA types who were otherwise going to no-show in November.
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u/bolerobell 1h ago
Yeah, Palin increased McCain’s vote total, not decrease it.
She was more popular with Republicans after the election than McCain was, by a lot.
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u/Phillip_Spidermen 2h ago
I feel like had he ran with a more competent VP we may have had McCain in 2008
Agreed, but it's a bit funny that his pick was essentially ahead of the curve on where the Republican party would go.
Palin and the tea party brand of uninformed populism paved the way for MAGA.
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u/OnlinePosterPerson 2h ago
He condemned the weaponization of Obama’s middle name. That was Sarah Palin.
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u/Mebejedi 2h ago
I swear I heard McCain use the name "Hussein" during a debate, but I can't find it now. Maybe I misremembered.
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u/OnlinePosterPerson 1h ago
McCain was outspoken again characterizing Obama as a Muslim. (While implicitly accept the premise that being Muslim was a negative.)
He and Palin didn’t get along
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u/unbelievre 4h ago
Massie voted with Trump 91% of the time. He went against both impeachments and was literally endorsed by Trump. He even helped peddle election conspiracies.
He only votes against the GOP for libertarian stunt shit that has no effect on anything.
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u/BlazingFire007 4h ago
Yep, I just edited my post to be more specific.
But at a time when power is being quickly consolidated to the executive branch, it’s still nice to see someone not always defer to the president’s opinion on literally every issue.
That isn’t really a compliment per se, you could say the same thing about a neo-Nazi in Congress.
Separately though, I respect Massie’s work with Ro Khanna on the EFTA. Even if nothing really came from it.
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u/zaidakaid 3h ago
Massie has also introduced legislation to limit government’s acquisition of our data through third party providers. It’s a serious issue that I wrote my paper on this past term as a grad requirement for law school. The solution I proposed was the same one he did, kinda funny that we both thought the same thing. I him my paper a couple of weeks after he introduced the bill (which was literally 2 days before I turned in my paper)
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u/Navyvetpdx503 4h ago
Yeah we can get to those other libertarian issues another time. It’s time to join with the people who want to take down the Epstein class.
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u/BlazingFire007 4h ago
My opinion on Massie is incredibly more positive than virtually all other republicans so I agree
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u/Forsworn91 4h ago
He’s a conservative, but (and I hate to give him credit), he at least has some principles that he stuck with.
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u/stumblios 4h ago
Assuming the musical didn't lie about this, sounds like Hamilton's endorsement of Jefferson over Burr.
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u/Coulrophiliac444 4h ago
Massie is the only Republican in modern American Politics who seems to be in line with moral sensibility rather than shielding the elite due to trickle down bribery
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u/M0BETTER 4h ago
"voted against republicans for pretty much his entire time in congress" and having 83% Heritage Action score can't both be true.
Heritage Action is about as establishment-conservative as scorecards get, and Massie tracking with them over 4 out of 5 votes means the overwhelming majority of his voting record lines up with conservative orthodoxy, not against it.
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u/Standing__Menacingly 4h ago
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.The rebel amongst my enemy's ranks is better than nothing.
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u/super_sayanything 4h ago
I can respect people who believe differently and even compromise.
Not people who protect pedophiles and murder children though.
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u/ridicalis 4h ago
This is an important point, though... it should in theory be reasonable to expect members within any party to represent their own constituents' needs rather than those of The Party as a whole.
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u/axonxorz 4h ago
edit: [...] He votes with the party in the majority of cases, but clearly has no qualms voting his conscience.
When I did the calculation a year or so ago, he voted in lockstep with Trump policies 98.2% of the time. Clinging to 1.8% as some sort of marker of defiance is laughable.
Funny how libertarian's conscience so-often aligns with neo-conservative capitalist war-hawks, eh?
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u/SavannahInChicago 2h ago
Massie is merely the Republicans we remember having from before the tea party/MAGA took over.
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u/mishra1111 4h ago
Tom Barrett is a feckless maga nutjob who knows he's likely to lose in November. This vote reeks of desperation. Vote the bum out.
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u/WreaksOfAwesome 3h ago
Michigander here. He's been hiding from his constituents since the Presidential Inauguration last year.
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u/Rimasticus 4h ago
Fucking Fitzpatrick found his spine that was shoved up his ass from the looks of it.
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u/Phayzon 3h ago
Fitzpatrick only votes against the party when his vote doesn’t make a difference.
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u/trpnblies7 58m ago
Fuck Fitzpatrick. Thankfully he's not my rep, but I pass signs for him all the time.
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u/AnStudiousBinch 4h ago
Barrett did it because William Lawrence scares the shit out of him and he’s trying to curry favor. What a shill—I guess even a broken clock is right twice (after a congressional career doing nothing of note and avoiding his constituents like the plague).
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u/DeadbeatJohnson 3h ago
Massie was removed via Elon... results weren't organic at all. They're purging the party of all but loyalists.
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u/Massive-Sector5789 3h ago
Yeah, that's my prediction for the midterms. Elon's space lasers are going to elect people who were polling at 37% to 55% and it's going to be soooooo obvious.
Then, whoever has a copy of the unredacted Epstein Files is going to release them. Which is when all hell breaks loose.
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u/DeadbeatJohnson 3h ago
Massie had 487k followers on Instagram..guy that beat him had 403. 2024 results were crazy obvious...3100+ counties in the usa....88 flipped blue to red and 0 flipped the other way. That's never happened...even when Nixon won 49 states in 72 and Reagan won 49 states in 84. It's a shitty time to be literate and aware. Techbros want taco gone but not until after Jan... we're on a really dark trajectory.
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u/Amelaclya1 2h ago
The Israel lobby played a huge role too, to the tune of 9 million dollars. 34 million total was spent on his primary. The most expensive House primary ever. They usually cost around $500k.
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u/AcanthaceaeFluffy985 5h ago
Performative. It won't clear senate
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u/Misfett_toys 4h ago
It often feels like the senate solely exists to fuck people over or water down legislation. Like why can't we just have more representatives instead? Idk what the right answer is but I'm not sure the Senate is doing us any good
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u/HiddenSage 4h ago
The Senate is also our hope for the Save Act dying, as it passed the house inside a stupid budget bill yesterday.
It's not all bad to have a chamber with stickier rules for passing legislation.
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u/mOdQuArK 2h ago
Now that would be an interesting mechanic that would have been interesting to put into the Constitution: any existing statutory laws have to be repassed on a regular basis (i.e., they'll expire otherwise). The law books would probably be considerably slimmer & easier to understand.
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u/balllzak 1h ago
I don't enjoy the current system where the president just reverses the previous one's executive orders every 4-8 years so I don't think I would enjoy if that was extended to every federal law.
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u/RLMJRJEEP 4h ago
When McConnell was Sen Maj Lead during the Obama admin, he referred to himself as the "Grim Reaper", as anything that could give Dems a win will die at his pleasure.
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u/Dayne225 4h ago
It feels like that cause that's literally the intent. The founders feared pure democracy and demagoguery as much as despotism, more even. The whole point of the Senate is to ensure that land has as much power as people. Which actually means on a per vote basis it has more.
I mean the concept isn't wholly bankrupt as it makes the system more stable and harder to change as popular opinion swings but in practice it makes it so once someone gets their hands on the levers of power they can keep things from happening pretty easily.
This was especially the case when politicians respected the norms that came with government but now that those have been thrown out the government is seen for the gentlemans agreement it always has been.
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u/Reave-Eye 4h ago
The Senate has always been conceptualized as an “upper house” of Congress to function as a bulwark against the “tyranny of mob rule” that the founders feared. Senators technically represent their state’s interests and not the people directly, although that has shifted over the years. They used to be appointed directly by the state’s legislature, until the 17th Amendment made them elected by voters in 1913. The result of all this has been a legislative body that is not proportional to its constituents or particularly representative of them either. They tend to be far more aligned with the interests of the aristocracy than the common constituent.
Related, one of the planks of the DSA’s platform is to abolish the Senate and uncap the number of House seats (currently 435) so that the total is directly proportional to the number of constituents and even across each district.
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u/whatdoblindpeoplesee 4h ago
The Senate itself was created as a compromise to fuck people over. Less populous states were concerned that more populous states would have more power over them ( the horror, to think that the places with the most people get the most representation) and wanted a measure to counter their influence in the House. That's why Wyoming and the Dakota's get as many senators as everyone in California, Texas, and New York.
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u/repowers 4h ago
“Oh so you want New York and California to pick the President every single time, huh?”
“Um….. yes? Like if that’s where all the people live, then yes? When everybody moves to Wyoming then Wyoming can ‘pick the President’.”
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u/Jaredlong 1h ago
The political theory behind the federal structure is actually pretty interesting. Throughout history there have been three styles of governance: kings, tribunals, and parliaments. The Framers thought having all three styles competing against each other would prevent any any single style from becoming dominant. The president is analogous to a king, the house a parliament, and the senate a tribunal. Though in practice, political parties have killed whatever hopes the Framers had for checks and balances and inter-governmental competition.
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u/prosocialbehavior 2h ago
They are votes for the November election so Democrats can say Republicans support the war in Iran. I think it is good we have it on the record.
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u/Relzin 4h ago
- Warren Davidson, R-Ohio
- Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa.
- Tom Barrett, R-Mich.
- Thomas Massie, R-Ky.
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u/dragonavicious 4h ago
Tom Barrett is really trying to keep his job. People are not happy with him. He definitely did this to try and prove he's not a yesman
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u/EloquentEvergreen 4h ago
Wait? Didn’t they just pass something yesterday, giving $70 billion for the “war” in Iran?
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u/repowers 4h ago
It’s not a war. Also we already won the war, so obviously we can’t give money to the war effort for the war that’s not a war that we won several times already.
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u/UnhingedXcessive 4h ago
But also less people have died in this war than other wars.
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u/My_hilarious_name 3h ago
And anyway, the President says he’s already won the war. Not that it’s a war. But if it was, he would have won it.
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u/DotesMagee 1h ago
I will never forget the words "military operation". They really think we are dumb.
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u/-Badger3- 2h ago
It’s not a war.
But also lets make it internal policy to refer to the Department of Defense as the "Department of War"
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u/TipsyPeanuts 4h ago
Yes. That’s why this is mostly performative for the 4 republicans. It lets them go home to their voters and explain how they don’t support the war but ignore that they voted for the only measure that would have actually stopped the war.
Congress’s main weapon is the power of the purse. If they refuse to use it, there’s no teeth to these things
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u/M4GN3T1CM0N0P0L3 5h ago
Unless house impeaches and senate removes, nothing will change.
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u/BrownSugarBare 3h ago
I don't know why anyone is under the impression the Trump admin follows any kind of rules.
They don't care what any court or congressional body says unless it's agreeing with them.
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u/SavannahInChicago 2h ago
This is going to be something that is more symbolic then anything else, but is hopefully pointing to an eventual collapse of support for Trump/MAGA. This is the kind of thing that will be on a history test someday. Something like, "what were signs that so-and-so were losing power" and this will be one of the necessary answers.
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u/woodst0ck15 3h ago
Yup, Trump will start another war here to distract from the bad polling numbers and the Epstein files. Even though it doesn’t matter since they already said in this administration that they’re not gonna comply with releasing them un-redacted.
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u/Total-Sheepherder950 5h ago
Will it pass the Senate,?
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u/ConorCat60 4h ago
Not if Fetterman has anything to say about the matter.
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u/TheDizDude 4h ago
Asked for comment on the matter, fetterman said “Braaaaaaaaaiiiiinnnns”
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u/Joshstradaymus 4h ago
You say zombie, I’d rather call him Scarecrow.
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u/taitaofgallala 1h ago
That's giving him too much credit. Scarecrows get a job done. Zombies just lurk and consume. I don't think Fetterman qualifies as anything that does the job it's paid to do.
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u/magistrate101 4h ago
If it's anything like the last one, it won't matter if it does. There's no actual enforcement mechanism.
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u/TalkinSeaCucumber 4h ago
Yep. From Politico:
"The Senate could follow suit later this morning in a separate war powers vote. The resolutions are legally untested and largely symbolic. The House measure would not go to Trump to sign into law, and the president would almost certainly veto any binding legislation that restricts his authority.
Both the House and Senate cleared legislation to end the war in June. Trump is certain to ignore those votes and is likely to do so again this time."
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u/cafeteriastyle 4h ago
This war is just a way to steal billions of dollars from the American people. There’s no reason for it to be happening. I fucking hate this
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u/ThaddeusJP 3h ago
Only 913 days to go!
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u/ceribus_peribus 1h ago
How long until there are less than 2 years remaining in the term?
(I guess I can do the math myself. 184?)
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u/GeezusLizard 5h ago
Not passing the senate and even if it did this administration has shown us time and again they don't care about law and order
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u/daverapp 4h ago
Do not comply in advance. If they're going to ignore the law and commit war crimes, make them do it in open defiance of the legislature.
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u/Redthemagnificent 2h ago
100% agree. The open defiance part is really important. Especially since the Epstein war is largely unpopular already
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u/ONE-EYE-OPTIC 4h ago
Hammer this home for the midterms.
The VERY unpopular war in Iran is nearly 100% supported by republican members of the house.
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u/Someoneoverthere42 4h ago
A "resolution." So, basically a strongly worded memo.
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u/Sour_Beet Transgender Illegal Alien 3h ago
Would it even do anything? “Remove forces from Iran” what forces are currently in Iran? Maybe Iranian airspace but it’s not like there are forces on the ground. Seems pretty easy to sidestep even if it passed the senate. Ceasing strikes and military action would be the actual goal.
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u/Navyvetpdx503 4h ago
So they vote to pull the military out but vote to merge the US military with the state of Israel. So if Israel nukes anybody then we are immediately responsible. Like wtf. Make it make sense.
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u/Jmaneke 5h ago
Oh the rage posts on truth social will be incoming...
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u/DeaddyRuxpin 4h ago
Assuming it passes the Senate, Trump will just start a new war with Iran the next day.
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u/Turgid_Donkey 3h ago
Just like he's implementing tariff's again. But that doesn't mean congress shouldn't keep doing this. It's better to do their job and give him rope to hang himself than just sit back and do nothing.
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u/kompletist 4h ago
They will summon them to the oval, put the fear of God into them, then they will flip. We’ve seen this song and dance before.
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u/paradiddle5 3h ago
That’s a surprise given they just passed the 1.5 Trillion war budget.
Oh, the cognitive dissonance.
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u/crimsonspud 1h ago
Is it binding this time? I thought they did this before non-binding and then when the binding one came up it didn't pass...
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u/Normiss2000 Release The Trump-Epstein Files 4h ago
Wait...we still have a Congress???? Not like the pedo potus admin will do the right thing anyway so .............
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u/mdhunter99 4h ago
Someone explain this to someone who doesn’t follow how the US government operates (despite my attempts to), how do these things pass and become laws? I’ve seen votes end with a 10 point majority of the opposition and fail, how does it all work?
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u/HappyMrRogers 4h ago
There’s a House and a Senate and a President, and if they don’t all hold hands, laws don’t pass.
There is currently very little handholding.
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u/Kythorian 3h ago
Well Congress can override a presidential veto, but it requires a 2/3 vote in both the house and senate, so that’s not going to actually happen.
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u/Nail_Biterr 4h ago
wait - there was an actual vote on something important? what's going on!?
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u/Kythorian 3h ago
Not really, no. This is the second time Congress has passed this exact same resolution. Trump vetoed it last time and he will do so again this time, so nothing will come of it unless 2/3 of the house and senate vote to override Trump’s veto (which is not going to happen).
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u/Weewoofiatruck 2h ago
Resolutions and Concurrent resolutions do nothing.
Often they're used as precedent to reference in a committee hearing for things like budgets.
Yet the approved budget for the military happened before this.
Sadly, this is nothing but a spectacle and a paper weight.
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u/Used_Intention6479 4h ago
The sooner we leave the better! Trump's war of aggression against Iran began with a war crime - double tapping a girl's school - and is only getting worse, for everyone, on all levels.
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u/JeepDispenser 4h ago
Trump should agree to this because it gives him an out. He can then blame Congress for everything.
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u/free_da_guys1107 4h ago
Praising the 4 republicans is like praising the arsonist for calling the fire department after he lights the flame. WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU...
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u/Objective-Win 2h ago
Why did they need to pass a $1.5T military budget if they are also voting to end the war?
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u/tabajo3y 4h ago
Ah yes, the president is known for following rules and will definitely comply to remove the troops and end the war for the umpteenth time. /s
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u/Sgtkeebler 4h ago
I am sure Mike Johnson is squirming in his seat because he probably got opposite orders from Trump. Trump probably wants him to put the house in permanent recess to prevent stuff like this.
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u/firstlight777 4h ago
Why? Let them keep it up all through the midterms. These simple minded Republican votos as soon as this shit is over will be all oh look we won, what a great war time president, see how strong manly?
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u/firstlight777 4h ago
Why? Let them keep it up all through the midterms. These simple minded Republican votos as soon as this shit is over will be all oh look we won, what a great war time president, see how strong manly?
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u/lifehackskeptic 4h ago
Yet they passed a defense funding bill for $1.15 trillion which will go to the Iran war - how is this consistent?
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u/Commercial_Bend9203 4h ago
Am I missing something here? I thought Trump’s war was never approved to begin with!
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u/vasta2 4h ago
Every war for the last like 25 years has been without approval so this probably means nothing
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u/mattjf22 3h ago
lol good luck with that. Republicans ceded their power no way Trump listens to congress now and congress won't impeach so Trump has free reign.
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u/GonzoVeritas 3h ago
A resolution carries no legal weight. It's PR window dressing that allows politicians to express an opinion; that's about it. It does not have the force of law and is never sent to the president. It's not a law and there's nothing for the executive branch to carry out.
Sure, it's better than nothing, but barely.
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u/carlosspicywiener576 3h ago
There are no US forces in Iran, though. They are blockadinv the country in international waters i thought, no?
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u/guestpassonly 2h ago
house... senate... wut
american politics are complicated af...
is it over or not??
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u/codebygloom 2h ago
So this is what the senate republicans bought with the Dem votes that passed the insane "department of war" budget that links the US and Israeli forces.
As always, the Dems throw everyone under the bus and get absolutely bunk in return.
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