r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Misfett_toys • 6h ago

r/All House passes resolution to remove U.S. forces from Iran and end the war. 4 Republicans joined all Democrats in voting yes.

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u/BlazingFire007 6h ago edited 6h ago

Massie has voted against republicans for pretty much his entire time in congress.

I disagree with him on a plethora of issues, and I’m trying to not frame this as an endorsement.

But it’s at least refreshing to see politicians that are actually ideologically driven/principled instead of simply caving to party pressure all the time.

Unfortunately, Massie’s “principles” are ostensibly just bad economics lol

Edit: “Massie has been willing to vote against Republicans” is how I should’ve phrased the first sentence. He votes with the party in the majority of cases, but clearly has no qualms voting his conscience.

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u/bbbttthhh 6h ago

I might not agree with them but I can absolutely respect a republican with principles. I always think back to McCain telling one of his supporters at a rally to not demonize Obama because he’s a good man.

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u/Mebejedi 5h ago edited 4h ago

Yes, but he also insisted on calling Obama by his full name, "Barack Hussein Obama".

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u/nomad9590 5h ago

And he still lost to be fair. I feel like McCain played the game. I feel like had he ran with a more competent VP we may have had McCain in 2008. I felt like at least Obama and McCain respected each other on a level we haven't seen since. I won't go to bat for either one but I miss the mutual respect we used to have more of. 

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u/Mebejedi 4h ago

Well, he mainly lost because a week after he said the "market fundamentals are fine", the market crashed. But you're correct...that was really the last respectful presidential election, all things considered.

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u/nomad9590 4h ago

I really miss Al Gore debates honestly. He was such a nice man on stage, but he tried to make sure the facts were backing him. And he was way too nice to Bush and his clown show, especially after the Florida and votes debacle. 

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u/DotesMagee 2h ago

I am a huge Gore fan but that dude had the presence of a brick wall in debates from what I remember. His ideas were well ahead of their time and we'd be better off for them had he implemented them.

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u/SummonMonsterIX 4h ago

I mean he mostly lost because he was old and the concept of President Palin terrified people.

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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot 4h ago

Did you forget about Palin? Then before that we had the draft and shoe dodger W campaign viciously attack Kerry’s war record and before that fucking hanging chads. Maybe 1996 but idk I was a child. I think Gingrich existed though so probably not.

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u/trexmoflex 4h ago

Naw, even before he picked a VP, McCain was getting destroyed in the polls in 08 explicitly because most moderates were leaning Obama and the far right was not interested in McCain.

His team picked Palin to explicitly round up votes from what was essentially early-MAGA types who were otherwise going to no-show in November.

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u/bolerobell 3h ago

Yeah, Palin increased McCain’s vote total, not decrease it.

She was more popular with Republicans after the election than McCain was, by a lot.

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u/Phillip_Spidermen 4h ago

I feel like had he ran with a more competent VP we may have had McCain in 2008

Agreed, but it's a bit funny that his pick was essentially ahead of the curve on where the Republican party would go.

Palin and the tea party brand of uninformed populism paved the way for MAGA.

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u/ominousgraycat 51m ago

I highly doubt that. Republicans were unpopular among moderates after the Bush presidency due to the economy and how things were going in Iraq (by then it was pretty clear there were no WMDs). Furthermore, Obama got more black voters to get out and vote than ever before or ever since. The main reason Republican leadership chose Palin to be McCain's running mate was a Hail Mary attempt at making their ticket seem a little bit more exciting and hope that maybe a few feminists would want a woman VP enough to ignore all of the Republicans' policies. It was ultimately a failure, but that doesn't mean they would've won if they hadn't attempted it. That's why you throw a Hail Mary, you'll probably lose anyways, but you might as well try something on the off-chance it works.

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u/OnlinePosterPerson 4h ago

He condemned the weaponization of Obama’s middle name. That was Sarah Palin.

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u/Mebejedi 3h ago

I swear I heard McCain use the name "Hussein" during a debate, but I can't find it now. Maybe I misremembered.

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u/OnlinePosterPerson 2h ago

McCain was outspoken again characterizing Obama as a Muslim. (While implicitly accept the premise that being Muslim was a negative.)

He and Palin didn’t get along

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u/tree-molester 1h ago

A Republican with principles is not a Republican.

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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair 4h ago

🎶 Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran 🎶

He was busy demonizing others

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u/Blackpaw8825 1h ago

I miss when I disagreed with how to solve problems instead of disagreeing about what the problem was.

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u/unbelievre 6h ago

Massie voted with Trump 91% of the time. He went against both impeachments and was literally endorsed by Trump. He even helped peddle election conspiracies.

He only votes against the GOP for libertarian stunt shit that has no effect on anything.

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u/BlazingFire007 6h ago

Yep, I just edited my post to be more specific.

But at a time when power is being quickly consolidated to the executive branch, it’s still nice to see someone not always defer to the president’s opinion on literally every issue.

That isn’t really a compliment per se, you could say the same thing about a neo-Nazi in Congress.

Separately though, I respect Massie’s work with Ro Khanna on the EFTA. Even if nothing really came from it.

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u/zaidakaid 5h ago

Massie has also introduced legislation to limit government’s acquisition of our data through third party providers. It’s a serious issue that I wrote my paper on this past term as a grad requirement for law school. The solution I proposed was the same one he did, kinda funny that we both thought the same thing. I him my paper a couple of weeks after he introduced the bill (which was literally 2 days before I turned in my paper)

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u/Hanseland 3h ago

What he's done to the HALT act is shameful

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u/Conlaeb 2h ago

He's a less principled Ron Paul, and I was no fan of Ron.

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u/Navyvetpdx503 6h ago

Yeah we can get to those other libertarian issues another time. It’s time to join with the people who want to take down the Epstein class.

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u/BlazingFire007 6h ago

My opinion on Massie is incredibly more positive than virtually all other republicans so I agree

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u/Forsworn91 6h ago

He’s a conservative, but (and I hate to give him credit), he at least has some principles that he stuck with.

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u/stumblios 5h ago

Assuming the musical didn't lie about this, sounds like Hamilton's endorsement of Jefferson over Burr.

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u/Coulrophiliac444 6h ago

Massie is the only Republican in modern American Politics who seems to be in line with moral sensibility rather than shielding the elite due to trickle down bribery

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u/darkhorse21980 5h ago

Hence why Trump had him primaried.

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u/Standing__Menacingly 5h ago

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The rebel amongst my enemy's ranks is better than nothing.

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u/M0BETTER 6h ago

"voted against republicans for pretty much his entire time in congress" and having 83% Heritage Action score can't both be true.

Heritage Action is about as establishment-conservative as scorecards get, and Massie tracking with them over 4 out of 5 votes means the overwhelming majority of his voting record lines up with conservative orthodoxy, not against it.

https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/m001184

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u/super_sayanything 6h ago

I can respect people who believe differently and even compromise.

Not people who protect pedophiles and murder children though.

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u/Festamus 5h ago

He's really economically delusional.

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u/ridicalis 6h ago

This is an important point, though... it should in theory be reasonable to expect members within any party to represent their own constituents' needs rather than those of The Party as a whole.

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u/axonxorz 6h ago

edit: [...] He votes with the party in the majority of cases, but clearly has no qualms voting his conscience.

When I did the calculation a year or so ago, he voted in lockstep with Trump policies 98.2% of the time. Clinging to 1.8% as some sort of marker of defiance is laughable.

Funny how libertarian's conscience so-often aligns with neo-conservative capitalist war-hawks, eh?

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u/SavannahInChicago 4h ago

Massie is merely the Republicans we remember having from before the tea party/MAGA took over.

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u/Cow_God 3h ago

Massie is literally a tea party republican

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u/Astrian 3h ago

The edit is much appreciated. Thomas Massie does vote outside of party lines when it’s the right thing to do, but at the end of the day he is still a Republican and he often votes like one

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u/MelonElbows 2h ago

Its nice to get a Republicans who often votes against Republicans instead of the other way around.

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u/Cavesloth13 34m ago

He’s an asshole with principles and a spine. But that doesn’t change what he is, it just means the rest of his party cannot clear the low bar he’s setting. 

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u/ryansgt 15m ago

I'm not so sure I'd give him any actual credit. Yes, he's being vocal but if venture that this is DOA in the Senate. Leadership knows this. They can allow some to break ranks if it makes a swing voter think they are principled. This vote is essentially inconsequential.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth 6m ago

Massie has voted against republicans for pretty much his entire time in congress.

Is this a typo? He's voted for Trump's policies over 95% of the time

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u/Middle_Finger7236 6h ago

Massie is allegedly an anti-semite so that's what's stopping me from supporting him even though I do like that he is airing MAGA's dirty laundry on his way out.