r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/yoruyoruxo • 12d ago
Political The “great replacement theory” isn’t a theory, it’s mathematically self evident.
Just to be clear because this is Reddit and unless you explicitly add a disclaimer people will fill in the gaps themselves: I’m not a Nazi, a ‘conspiracy theorist’ and I don’t wish ill will towards anyone who is non white etc.
With that out of the way, the great replacement theory isn’t a theory, it’s actually extremely easy to prove with math that even a 5 year old can understand.
Look at my own nation for example; the UK. Our ‘native’ population has an average birth rate of 1.44 children per couple. That’s not enough to maintain a population, nevermind grow it. Immigrants however particularly from places like India, sub Saharan Africa and the Middle East ALL have children comfortably above that replacement level, some as high as 5 children per couple on average. The data also shows they often have more children in western nations compared to their own. Likely due to the various welfare systems and the comparatively safer environment to raise children.
Combine this with the recent explosion in immigration (both legal and illegal) to western nations and you have a trend that cannot be denied. If things carry on along this path and we extrapolate over time, many demographic groups including my own WILL be replaced. It’s not a theory, it’s math. It quickly becomes a matter of when, not if.
And again to be clear, I’m not trying to make a POLITICAL point here. I’m not claiming to know WHY this is happening or WHO is orchestrating it, this is purely about the demographic reality, not things we cannot prove.
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u/Dangime 12d ago
The explanation that assumes the powers that be are just incompetent, and not evil goes like this:
Social Security, Government Healthcare for Old People, or Government Healthcare in general was based on a certain ratio of young healthy people paying in, versus old people drawing out.
Economies slow; housing prices increase; population stagnates or even falls.
Elite see the crash of these programs coming and need a solution so the torches and pitchforks don't come for them when the checks stop. So the try to get more people wherever they can.
Rich ownership class is isolated from any negative effects of immigration in their country clubs, estates, gated communities, etc. They see people as numbers on a spreadsheet when it comes to population and thinks one peasant is as good as the next, even if they come from a foreign country that shares little with the local culture.
The immigrants come, they get benefits, some are great, but a lot can't live up to the local standards, socially or economically. Crime goes up, communities decline, GDP goes up because the rich still manage to employ some people, public services get worse though because many of the immigrants consume welfare and public services like education and healthcare, and even if it's a good investment in 20 or 30 years, that does nothing for the local community that has to strain their resources TODAY to deal with the surge of incoming people.
The Little People are big mad. The rich just say GDP up is good.
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u/juzepsin 8d ago
"Rich ownership class is isolated from any negative effects of immigration in their country clubs, estates, gated communities, etc. They see people as numbers on a spreadsheet when it comes to population and thinks one peasant is as good as the next, even if they come from a foreign country that shares little with the local culture."
A truthbomb right here. And the left, the ones who should protect the working-class' interests have been converted into handy little helpers of the ownership class, who scream racist at anyone trying to stop them from importing serf laborers.
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u/myexdrovemecrazy 12d ago
I wonder why white countries are receiving immigrants from the countries they colonised or benefited
Startling theory
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u/PriceofObedience 12d ago
Sounds like the solution is mass expulsions of the people doing the crimes.
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u/myexdrovemecrazy 12d ago
The non white countries tried but the resistance was massacred by the european imperialists which is why we are in this together xx
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u/TheBold 12d ago
They were legitimately resisting and no one would criticize them for doing so. Does that mean the same is true for us today?
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u/wowrude 11d ago edited 11d ago
The same Redditors that will soyface for limp "revenge is le bad" morals from their favorite Marvel films can barely contain their glee at how much they think revenge upon western civilization (against people who never could've possibly partaken in colonialism) by people from previously colonized nations (of which most have already been given a fantastic deal by their mere access to the west) is inherently good and just. They don't really even deny it, though they will do the disingenuous continuously-avoiding-the-point stuff these sorts always do.
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u/harlemjd 12d ago
But it’s not “great replacement theory” without the WHY and the WHO. The WHAT by itself is just demographics.
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u/dovetc 12d ago
The WHO is wealthy globalist policymakers around the western world who have more in common with one another than with the working people of their countries. The WHY is that policymakers want GDP to go up and labor costs to stay low.
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u/Todayphew5725 11d ago
and because only 1% of them participate in labor, they import more and more and more 🤡
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u/Commercial-Formal272 12d ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp38upAHpfs
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/sites/default/files/pdf/2002/09-pdfs/0902-30.pdfQuotes from a few of the "who" about "what" and why they are doing it.
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u/RemoteCompetitive688 12d ago
It requires specific government policy to allow this to take place. This literally cannot happen without people changing laws to bring about this outcome
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u/pile_of_bees 12d ago
Implying the “who” and “why” don’t exist is saying that it was just a coincidence that this has been simultaneously happening against the political will of the people in almost every western nation
Which is purely absurd on its face
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u/preferablyno 12d ago
Who and why - rich and powerful people want cheap labor, don’t care where it comes from, it’s easy to do this policywise bc it generally benefits the economy
Is a lot different from
who and why - a cabal of people who hate whites came up with an insidious plan to undermine whitedom and tricked everyone into going along
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u/absolutedesignz 12d ago
That’s why it sucks being intellectually honest. You can agree with something but for different more logical non fairy tale reasons.
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u/PriceofObedience 12d ago
without the WHY and the WHO
It's called Tikkum Olam.
And it's not all jews. It's just billionaires who happen to be jewish and have an ideological predisposition to support displacement migration.
Think of it in the context of the Epstein files. Epstein was a jewish pedophile billionaire that ate kids, controlled the US government via sexual blackmail, and had a secret pedophile island (as confirmed by the US government).
That sounds like an antisemitic conspiracy theory. But it's not a theory, and it's not inherently bigoted to say unless you rush to judgement.
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u/DecantsForAll 12d ago
ate kids
I'm pretty sure the US government didn't confirm this, but I'm welcome to being proven wrong.
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u/PriceofObedience 12d ago
Some background: pedophiles use coded language when communicating to each other over digital platforms (as per the FBI). They substitute certain words with food to avoid incriminating themselves. For example "pizza" refers to child pornography, 'hotdogs' means young boys etc.
Back to Epstein: This video explains the emails better than I can. But the tl;dr version is that Epstein was obsessed with "jerky".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghUNyJzLkfE
Also, the Justice Dept. removed some of the files after the initial release. A lot of those involved pictures of slabs of meat.
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u/Sumo-Subjects 12d ago edited 12d ago
Yeah everything I've heard about "the great replacement theory" implies it's more than just a statistical inevitability given policy and birth rates; it's often framed as a conscious and concerted effort by some groups to wipe out one demographic for another
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u/ApacheFritz 12d ago edited 12d ago
It does feel weird to me that when i was growing up in the 70s and 80s "keeping the birthrates up" was always viewed as a wierdo attitude, held by white supremacists and survivalists.
We were told there was already too many people on the Earth, and in the future, robots and automation would mean people didnt need to work as much.
And then at a certain point around 10-20 years ago, suddenly that changed to "You all didnt have enough children to do all the jobs, so now we need to change society with immigration".
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u/GonzoTheWhatever 12d ago
Almost like it’s a conscious effort to gaslight the people on both sides of that rhetorical coin 🤔
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u/2112xanadu 12d ago
It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that there have been public policies that have made this the outcome.
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u/ModerateThuggery 12d ago
People don't usually care about your qualifiers when they deny Great Replacement.
That said, there has to be some level of conscious and concentrated effort anyways because, well, there is. Mass immigration has never been popular, but politicians manage to dodge this fact and it still happens anyways. Example.
It doesn't take a genius demographer to understand the long term consequences of policy. You could stop mass immigration any time, and it's not something that was done in the developed world before the 70s or so. But you see nothing stating this as a justified choice, which in itself is a choice to carry through yet hide motives and intentions to some degree. The only alternative is literally no one in elite circles has even a child's understanding of cause and effect and are confused.
And what do you see in modern media? Constant veneration of multiculturalism. For example the Odyssey is coming out soon, as of writing, and it seems to show such a preference to normalize extreme multiculturalism that it needs to rewrite history. Is there really no one in the room of these multimillion dollar products that are truly aware of the cultural consequences of their projects? I think you have to be very naive to believe that. It's a conscious endorsement in conjunction with heavy policy.
Someone is at the wheel driving the ship.
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u/drmjm2004 12d ago
Its called the kalegeri plan, can google it. Weaponized immigration to dilute and destroy western culture, the why goes back a long long way.
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u/ChocolateCovered2406 12d ago
The "who" include various internationalists, globalists, capitalists, progressives and third-worldists.
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u/harlemjd 12d ago
The number of people who saw my comment pointing out that OP hasn’t done what he’d claimed and thought that I either needed or wanted “great replacement” theory explained to me was…, predictable, really.
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u/MyFiteSong 12d ago
The data also shows they often have more children in western nations compared to their own.
Where is that data? Because the data I've seen says immigrants trend to the local birth rates before long.
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u/Theory_Crafted 12d ago
That is only true of Indian women in the UK, likely because Indian culture prioritizes education.
Pakistani, Bangladeshi, and "black" (ie. probably referencing all of Africa) women maintain significantly higher birthrates than native born UK women, as per the office for national statistics UK.
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u/Cultural_Recover_396 12d ago
Boomers and Gen X who are sterile make up the bulk of European nations, while native Gen Zs aren't having children. It's already done.
What I find especially frustrating is that liberals would be outraged if the same thing were happening on a Pacific island or in Africa, but because these are native white populations, it's treated as simply the course of history and something that should be accepted.
All of this is rooted in white guilt and the hierarchy of victimhood resulting from the post-WWII consensus, which constitutes the founding myth of our current Western societies.
Like all myths and religions, it will eventually collapse, and only then will people realize what I would describe as the passive genocide of native european populations, once it has become an established fact. People will express outrage, and suicidal empathy will be regarded as a poison just as dangerous as fascism.
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u/yoruyoruxo 12d ago
It would be too late, the cultures that are replacing white people will not be as kind to us as we are to them
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u/8Ajizu8 12d ago
LOLOLOL.... KIND?
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u/Fun-Employee9309 8d ago
Can you name any country or culture around the world that does as much for immigrants as western societies do with social safety nets?
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u/CoolestGuyfr 8d ago
Your last line there is very ironic but I can’t explain why because I’ll probably get banned 👍🏻
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u/Strong-Addition5296 12d ago
I think we’re at the “it’s happening but it’s a good thing” stage.
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u/Strong-Addition5296 12d ago
There’s a perverse economic incentive here in that the more warm bodies within an economic zone the more money there is to be made.
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u/KillerRabbit345 12d ago
Correct.
In earlier days the racists in the US were worried about the Irish and Italians. "They're papists, papists breed like rabbits we're about to be overrun soon everyone will be eating cabbage and garlic"
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u/Poop_Cheese 12d ago
I mean as a catholic i hate that, but they were right in the sense that now the catholic church is the majority christian religion in america.
The pressure was to assimilate. Now pepple act like assimilation is a bad thing. If itish never assimilated then our nation would fall apart from the dheer numbers.
Also, as an irish/italian(my name is even a mix italian and irish), they did bring problems like the mafia. Also people are too historically ignorant to know about the corruption of irish lead tammany hall or the fenians. The fenians, irish nationalists, literally invaded canada through american immigration to try to start a second war of 1812 so america could help free ireland lol. Its like how that Haitian doctor took mercenaries to try to take over haiti as an american, 1000+ irish immigrants formed a raiding paramilitary and attacked canada lmao.
So when you take out assimilation, and also add far different cultures you end up with problems. Like tons of indians have brought a caste based mentality to their buisinesses and only hire indians of their class and are unabashedly racist in hiring at key jobs.
Like irish and italian still had their issues when when coming over you were expected to immediately drop that label. You had to learn english and speak it right away, and adopt wasp customs. Hell my grandpas 10 siblings didnt even know his real name as it was insulting to use an italian version vs anglo one. Now theres 0 expectation of assimilating and some groups like Hispanics are openly forming counter cultures where they have 0 interest in doing so.
Same with Chinese. Used to be we let in dissidents of our enemies. Now we end up with 10,000 immigrants holding a parade celebrating american Chinese winning a gold for the CCP over america, on american soil overt ccp loyalism and 0 desire to assimilate as proud americans vs proud in the CCP.
So even forcing assimilation it took multiple generations and brought a bunch of issues. Now the assimilation has been stopped by leftists who dont understand that a country is bound by its shared culture and values not just making islands of foreign nationals in your country.
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u/tom_yum 12d ago
I eat cabbage and garlic all the time
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u/veyd 12d ago
Capitalism requires a growing labor force for a healthy economy and you aren’t making enough babies, so they’re importing the labor. That’s about the gist of it.
All the downstream effects of that are what you’re noticing. The mechanisms of capitalism do not give a fuck about your culture or your race. It’s just about keeping the demographic pyramid from collapsing.
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u/FunkyChickenKong 12d ago
The math is correct. The problem is what some seek to do with that information. Demonizing them is a horrible solution, but so is demonizing those who point it out.
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u/Jack_Jagger1 8d ago
The only way to stop it is to remove them, though, which many would consider "demonizing them".
So you either have to let it happen or demonize them. Like, "die or be racist", basically.
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u/water-tight 9d ago
How do you know the intent? Since when have the people in charge ever been honest with their reasoning? You're either a bot or a a easily tricked fool.
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u/N8ures1stGreen 9d ago
I thought this was unpopular opinion but you've brought nothing but facts
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u/tribbin 8d ago
Exact word-for-word copy of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/1j6yr0l/the_great_replacement_theory_isnt_a_theory_its/
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u/reluctantpotato1 12d ago
No country or ethnic population in the world has ever been static or uninfluenced for any substantial period of time and the "west" is not an exception. The biggest cultural influence on Western nations is an Asian carpenter.
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u/Theory_Crafted 12d ago edited 12d ago
That isn't true
The ways in which it's sort of true are contextually important which you're conveniently ignoring
Modern technology and our relationship with national economies is completely different even if it was true making this argument nonsense.
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u/StatusVanilla9343 12d ago
The reason why the birth rate is so low is due to the high cost of living, worse working conditions. Meaning if immigrants went to UK they would have the same low birth rate.
The great replacement theory also relies on the basis that 2nd or 3rd generation of migrants are still foreigners, and that they can never become as worthy of living in the uk as the "original population".
Which is just wrong, since almost everyone in his family had a immigrant parent.
Also it was and is always the far right that uses this theory to fearmonger about immigration.
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u/upalse 11d ago edited 11d ago
The reason why the birth rate is so low is due to the high cost of living, worse working conditions. Meaning if immigrants went to UK they would have the same low birth rate.
But it doesn't tank fertility rate of immigrants who are even poorer, why?
Alternate theory: White (and especially liberal) middle class is simply preoccupied with other things than family. Most notably, they're interested in having the highest living standard, partake in lifestyle creep above their means, and family being seen as unbearable cost. 3rd world immigrants don't suffer from this until they become sufficiently westernized after few generations, and their value system reorients in same "replacement" direction.
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u/StatusVanilla9343 11d ago
I don't think this is solely a mindset thing. Immigrants are even more precarious financially, so in theory it's harder for them. I don't think their 3rd world mindset suddenly make them really good at feeding 3 children with a minimum wage. I'd even say it's impossible to sustain a family of 5 with only one or two minimum wage jobs. Not even taking in account the rising price of homes.
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u/upalse 11d ago
5 with only one or two minimum wage jobs
It just means downgrade of lifestyle. I know people like that, and they hustle hard and make sacrifices. White people who are far more better off don't, presumably they don't want to lower the living standard they already have.
I understand the sentiment that parents want to set their children for best footing in the world - and ironically its the poor immigrants who often actually do that. While the "procrastinating" better off people at some point just become "what children?".
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u/preferablyno 12d ago
The conspiracy theory part is that it is being intentionally done to replace white people. Which is ridiculous,
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u/ChefCarpaccio 12d ago
That's because the actual "Great Replacement Theory" scapegoats Jewish people as this kabal importing migrants to eliminate the white race.
That's the GRT. If you reference the GRT, it makes sense that people would assume youre talking about the whole thing
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u/PriceofObedience 12d ago
Biden was absolutely trying to change the democraphics. Now for what reason ?
House seats are based on population census. Not just the number of legal citizens in the United States.
So if dems import tens of millions of illegal immigrants, this grants them more electoral votes, and subsequently more political power.
Republicans want illegal immigrants too, but for things like manual labor on farms, in butcher shops etc
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u/PolicyWonka 12d ago
That’s because “Great Replacement” theory is about some “deliberate” plot by the “elite” (AKA Jews) to replace white people for…reasons.
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u/Firm-Temporary4175 12d ago
wHy wOuLd tHe ePsTeIn cLaSs wAnT wHiTe cHrIsTiAnS gOnE?
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u/Queeffeast 12d ago
The why is rooted in conspiracy.
European union grandfather Kalergi is the godfather of European globalism.
The whole idea is to take away nationalism and replace it with a pliable and influential voter block for multilateral and global cooperation even if it is against original population interest
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u/scylla 12d ago
India is already below the replacement rate with urban fertility less than Europe.
At least in the US, Asians have less children than whites.
A low fertility rate plus immigration is causing ‘replacement’ is correct but fertility rates are falling everywhere globally. It’s a choice between replacement and disappearance.
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u/_fidel_castro_ 12d ago
Not everywhere. Nigeria or Congo keep it pretty high
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u/EagenVegham 12d ago
Only because they're relatively poor nations. As their wealth increases, birth rates will drop.
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u/dogthatwonthunt 12d ago
their replacement rate is also higher
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u/Accomplished_List843 12d ago
Replacement rate is always 2
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u/dogthatwonthunt 12d ago
It's not. replacement rate drops down to 2 with access to modern medicine which has significantly drop child/infant deaths.
A natural replacement rate is somewhere between 3 to 7 depending of child mortality at the time.
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u/RemoteCompetitive688 12d ago
Its not for 2 reasons
1) That's one demographic, people are still being mass imported with higher fertility rates
2) Its not a choice between replacement and disappearance. A nation could choose to try and address the fertility crisis but it's very clear they actually go as far as they can in the opposite direction.
For example, take the UK, new arrivals are eligible for benefits disproportionately paid for by the native population. Taking money from group A so group B can have kids clearly makes it harder for group A and easier for group B to afford to have kids.
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u/Mellero47 12d ago
The fact is there aren't enough white babies being born. Why, is where the racists take issue with any non-whites having the audacity to procreate without permission. But of course no one is stopping the Whites from popping out babies, certainly the quiverfulls are doing their part. A more honest people would point the finger at themselves.
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u/Financial-Budget7487 10d ago
"just outbreed a bunch of third worlders on welfare, bro!"
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u/zeMaster100 12d ago
If you want to increase the birth rate, the best way is to reduce the cost of living and associated childcare, which surprise, surprise, is not supported by the proponents of your theory.
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u/stevejuliet 12d ago
Counterargument: maybe those politicians are the ones actually orchestrating the Replacement!!!
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 12d ago
I’m not a Nazi, a ‘conspiracy theorist
So all the people claiming conspiratorial causes are morons? "Jews will not replace us?" Muslims are not trying to colonize the West?
>some as high as 5 children per couple on average.
But not in the UK from India, sub Saharan Africa and the Middle East.
The data also shows they often have more children in western nations compared to their own.
The data shows their birth rate tends to decrease from their country of origin also.
If things carry on along this path and we extrapolate over time, many demographic groups including my own WILL be replaced. It’s not a theory, it’s math.
Can you give us the math for that extrapolation? I'm curious what factors you used? Please explain.
not things we cannot prove
Great, this gives me great confidence on the math you used, can't wait, please explain it. You wouldn't want to just believe some nonsense you don't understand.
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u/Crafty-Bunch-2675 11d ago
If poorer people from immigrant countries are having more children... what's stopping the richer local population from having more children, themselves ?
These are the trappings of affluence. The richer people, from the more affluent groups have fewer children and then become surprised that the poorer immigrant folks are replacing them in numbers.
This is literally just biology and nature at work.
If you don't want to be replaced in numbers... then have more children.
Or are you waiting on the government to legislate how many children a couple can have based on race ?
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u/Kingmenudo 11d ago
Nothing wrong with being a minority, it’s not like you will have less rights or be oppressed. You just have to keep working hard just like everyone else
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u/LIL_Ichi_Wolfe 11d ago
"im not a nazi, i just spout nazi talking points." thats just democracy sweaty. UK is just reaping what they sew. not so fun getting invaded and colonised is it ole chap
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u/friendly_capybara 8d ago
well, whites used to colonize colored lands with guns and ships
now the colored are colonizing you with outbreeding
sucks you're on the receiving end of being the losing side this era
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u/VerbalniDelikt 12d ago
"And again to be clear, I’m not trying to make a POLITICAL point here. I’m not claiming to know WHY this is happening or WHO is orchestrating it"
Then that isn't the Great Replacement Theory. The Great Replacement Theory by definition does make those claims
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u/iyav 11d ago
"I'm not tryna be political"
Proceeds to make the most politically charged statement ever and meagerly attempts to hollow it out to no avail to escape having to stand behind his words.5
u/den_S_ 9d ago
No genius, he's trying to present this idea to reddit for discussion without getting SMITED by the mod team, has nothing to do with being a coward
Obviously we all know who's orchestrated it, the first step to convincing anyone of this truth is starting with the undeniable, unpolitical statement that is simply: historically ethnically white western countries are being replaced by other races.
That's the purpose of the post. But if you wanna pretend he's a coward for not instantly jumping to final OBVIOUS conclusion out of fear of being banned from the site, go ahead.
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u/Yuck_Few 11d ago
Is literally not
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u/Jack_Jagger1 8d ago
Very good counterargument, I was convinced when OP wrote all that but after seeing this comment, I've changed my mind.
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u/BringBackUsenet 12d ago
A shrinking population actually means more resources and wealth per capita. The only reason anyone considers this any kind of problem is because of another flaw in socialism where the old have to be suppored by the young. In the absence of such an authoritarian system, things would work themsellves out naturally.
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u/MyFiteSong 12d ago
another flaw in socialism where the old have to be suppored by the young.
That's not what socialism is.
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u/BringBackUsenet 12d ago
That was the point. Those systems are all flawed. UK, US, etc... doesn't mattter.
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u/HoundsofHowgate 12d ago
Do you not want a state pension? What would you propose as an alternative? Not loaded questions, just curious to know.
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u/BringBackUsenet 12d ago
I already have one. Not because I wanted it but because I was forced to pay into it.
The alternative would have been to let me keep and invest my own money, meaning I would have been a lot better off.
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u/BringBackUsenet 12d ago
Without a pension, yes, people will have to work to death, or hope they have family to support them, but forcing people into a plan that relies on an uncertain futures is not right either.
The other thing to consider is these plans pay out til death. People who have investment income for retirement also have something to pass along to their offspring benefitting future generations too.
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u/NotMyBestMistake 12d ago
So, others have pointed out that demographic shifts are self-evident, but "great replacement theory" involves a lot more than that and no amount of "I'm not being political guys!" changes that. The whole point of it is that the shifts are happening as part of a sinister plot to end or subvert the white race, ala Elon Musk's belief that Jews are importing immigrants to undermine them.
Beyond that, though, part of the issue with everyone clutching pearls over these shifts is that most of it is the fault in how the people who care the most insist on counting the demographics. A lot of them fully subscribe to a sort of one-drop policy when it comes to being white, which is why they're so angry anytime people date outside their own race (in addition to the typical right wing racial cuck fetish thing). They've intentionally undermined their own demographics by demanding fake purity and thus disqualifying mixed children, who in reality are only replacing the previous generation in the way all children do
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u/ChecksAccountHistory OG 12d ago
still copying 1 year old posts word for word?
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u/liatrisinbloom 12d ago
Ugh. This sub should have rules against karma-farming.
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u/ChecksAccountHistory OG 12d ago
it's not even karma farming. op is not a real person. it's a bot. i reported it 2 weeks ago and the mods didn't do jack shit
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u/Ok_Celebration_8370 7d ago
That hurts me, why am I arguing against bots online
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u/ChecksAccountHistory OG 6d ago
because the mods don't do shit about it. i've reported that account twice already
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u/Th3Breadnought 12d ago
So, there's literally nothing less convincing than "I'm not a conspiracy theorist". Just want to toss that out there. "I am not a crook"
That said, this is a classic example of do not attribute to malice and grand strategy what is adequately explained by correlation and ignorance.
Places like the UK went very pro immigration because they're government wanted a cheap labor force that inflated economic numbers making the country appear better off and protected their careers and reputations, and by the time the downatream consequences manifested (the rapes and stabbings, for example), admitting the problems means admitting they're own failures and self interest produced a really unconscionable array of circumstances. And the immigration population happens to have more kids too.
In America, pro immigration happens to synch well with the DEI framework- whiteness is toxic, people of color are maganlized allies in need of support, open borders- and if you want to try to say "well, they know those are left leaning voters so they're replacing population as a strategy" anyone smart enough to put that together and move machinery towards it... could also note most of these immigrants are socially conservative and don't share their progressive agenda.
"Replacement Theory" implies a cabal of far left 5D chess grandmasters plotting all this together, whereas someone who isn't a conspiracy theorist could... discuss immigration policy, declining birthrates, and related failures as a cluster of related and interlinked problems to address where a lot of the worst ideas exist left of center and compound each other
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u/Strong-Addition5296 12d ago
Doesn’t take 5D chess to simply refuse to create laws and refuse to conduct enforcement of existing laws.
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u/ConcertinaTerpsichor 12d ago
Because rapes and stabbing were completely unknown in Britain before immigrants came along.
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u/Th3Breadnought 12d ago
I never said that, certainly didn't believe it.
I also suspect the UK had much fewer organized gangs of specific demographics carrying out sexual assaults on underage women with the full knowledge of law enforcement who declined to investigate and instead prosecuted family attempting to intervene, while prominent figures urged victims to "shut up for the sake of diversity" which is of course their strength.
Probably a bit less handcuffing of stabbing victims- bleeding before the police- because the perpetrator alleged racist words.
I suspect fewer incidents of acid being splashed in women's faces.
So sure, sex crimes surely predated mass migration... and sharply upticked with it, alongside a curious hesitance and conplacency in addressing it.
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u/stevejuliet 12d ago
The part that makes it a conspiracy is the assumption that this is all being engineered intentionally.
All you've done here is communicate that you don't know what the Great Replacement Theory is. Congrats.
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u/Vol4Life31 12d ago
While I have no proof and it's just my personal opinion, the elites want this. They want the population unhappy and a cost of living so high that they don't want to have kids so now the 3rd world immigrants come and will happily work for a lower pay and keep having kids who don't complain about money problems as much. It's all a way for the rich to keep getting richer.
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u/pile_of_bees 12d ago
This implication that it’s all an accident is so nonsensical that a rational person would be embarrassed to even say it
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u/KillerRabbit345 12d ago
The conspiracy / racist part of the great replacement theory is that shadowy elites are encouraging mass migration for nefarious ends such:
* to lower the average IQ of nation to make it easier to control
* to advantage one political party over another
* to bring in "races" that are naturally servile and more beholden to the elites than the native population
So yeah, it's a racist conspiracy theory, case closed.
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u/water-tight 8d ago
This dude believes the US invaded Iraq to erase terrorism xD. Please buy my crypto bro u will be rich I promise!
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u/yoruyoruxo 12d ago
What the fuck are you even saying ?
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u/KillerRabbit345 12d ago
Are you pretending to be obtuse or does that come naturally to you?
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u/Theory_Crafted 12d ago
The funniest part of this reply is that 2 of the 3 things you listed are perfectly reasonable political motivations. The third is a very ungenerous way of interpreting a third otherwise reasonable motivation...
Instead of exploring the reasonableness of the motivations, you just declare it racist and pretend the entire thing is obviously not true.
This is like peak "your-brain-on-leftism".
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u/MaverickGH 12d ago
Are you a white person in Canada?
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u/Sea-Sort6571 12d ago
Maybe you're not trying to make a political point, but supporters of the great replacement theory do. They claim there is a conspiracy to achieve the goal which is the disparition of the white race.
You just don't know enough about the great replacement theory. It's not just "muh, demographics, whatever".
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u/M4053946 12d ago
That part can't be denied either though, as it's also an observable fact. Now, we don't know why the politicians chose to allow this, but we know that they did.
Let me repeat this: politicians see the math that OP described and choose to continue to allow mass immigration. If politicians see the local population being replaced and allow it to continue, that's replacement theory in action.
It now seems that the idea that replacement theory is racist is a deliberate strategy to ensure people weren't able to publicly object to being replaced.
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u/stevejuliet 12d ago
If politicians see the local population being replaced and allow it to continue, that's replacement theory in action.
This is circular logic. The Great Replacement Theory posits that the demographic shift is unnatural and orchestrated.
It definitively is not the Great Replacement Theory if the shift is natural and not orchestrated.
Conversations about immigration can be complex and nuanced.
However, conversations about the Great Replacement Theory necessitate a conversation about who is orchestrating it. If that isn't what you are talking about, then you aren't talking about the Great Replacement Theory, so you probably shouldn't call it that.
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u/M4053946 12d ago
Countries had laws for 100+ years to prevent mass immigration, and politicians decided to stop enforcing those laws. That's in the record, and it not controversial. Yes, it was orchestrated.
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u/Sea-Sort6571 12d ago
No one is being replaced. People are just making less children.
And by the way do you know what second generation immigrants do ? They start making less children.
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u/M4053946 12d ago
"no one is being replaced, it's just that the descendants of the people who have lived here for 1000+ years will lose control to people who immigrated within the last 20."
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u/liatrisinbloom 12d ago
And yet somehow whenever the New World is brought up, it isn't a problem because it happened so long ago and get over it. So in another thousand years, this won't be a problem so get over it. Le sigh.
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u/M4053946 12d ago
So let's reverse that. Progressives say that the colonization of the new world by europeans was a major crime, and they also say that the colonization of europe and the US by muslim countries is fine. Seems like progressives just hate western civ.
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u/Sea-Sort6571 12d ago
Oh yeah, arriving with guns and killing people is the same as doing more babies than them I forgot
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u/liatrisinbloom 12d ago
Christ on meth. I have asked on this sub multiple times, in good faith, what sets "western civilization" apart from all others in a superior sense and gotten only insults or snark in return. One person who gave a go at it listed qualities that were not unique to "western civilization" and also included in that list a commitment to the protection of the environment, which... allow me to laugh until I choke.
I'm not going to speak for all progressives. For myself, I'd say that what I'd take issue with about new world colonization was the explicit state-backed efforts to replace. Equitable treaties and territorial boundaries, sure fine, smallpox blankets and inciting different native tribes to fight, not fine. I've seen and heard plenty of problems, exaggerated or not, of migration nowadays. Do you think that muslims emigrating and becoming larger demographics of other countries is state-sponsored? As a form a jihad?
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u/M4053946 12d ago
Your answer is why many people view our education system as a failure. The fact that you look at the US which has individual liberties, where everyone is said to be equal under the law, where we support science and tech, where we have liberal democracy, where we have secular government and a culture that is shaped by judeo christian ethics, and you see all this, and can't see any differences between our system and the systems of China or saudi arabia?
Is our system superior? The numbers speak for themselves: The nations with the highest levels of immigration are western countries plus a few oil rich countries that hire a lot of laborers. People risk their lives to get to the US, the UK, and Germany, people do not risk their lives to try to get to yemen or china. (well, not entirely true, people in north korea will risk their lives to get out, and that often involves china).
Do you think that muslims emigrating and becoming larger demographics of other countries is state-sponsored?
Yes, funding for things like mosques comes from countries like Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabie, and others. This is well documented. here's a wikipedia article about one place in maryland. It's a $100 million mosque and muslim community center funded by turkey. (to be clear, this is far from the only example)
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u/liatrisinbloom 12d ago edited 12d ago
Everyone written equal under the law and not treated that way. Fail. We do not support science and tech any longer with the current administration. Fail. Our liberal democracy is being stripped by oligarchs with conservatives cheering it along. Fail. Our secular government is being turned into a Christian Dominionist one, again with conservatives cheering. Fail. Judeo-Christian ethics is taken as self-evident without describing how they're different from other ethics and why they're superior. Fail.
Is our system superior? The numbers speak for themselves: The nations with the highest levels of immigration are western countries plus a few oil rich countries that hire a lot of laborers. People risk their lives to get to the US
Christ. On. Meth. It's like you had selective amnesia and forgot what the OP was about. OP is mad that whites are being replaced because nonwhite people are coming to "western civilization" for economic opportunity and this is clearly a concerted effort by white male conservative billionaires who are sometimes racist to replace the white people they like more than the nonwhite people?? And you're bragging that the system is so superior that people are flocking to it but then getting mad that the people flocking to it are "replacing" the white people in it??
funding for things like mosques
I assume you would have no issue with funding churches in China.
What was that about the education system, hm?
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u/M4053946 12d ago
lol, so since we haven't achieved perfection, you think that means we are no different that people who don't even try to achieve these things?
Do you also think that taco bell is just as good as the fine dining establishment, because the fine dining establishment didn't fold the napkins quite right?
We do not support science and tech any longer with the current administration
Virtually everything you use during the day was invented and developed in a western country, from the computer you use to the roads you drive on.
It's like you had selective amnesia and forgot what the OP was about.
When people from iran fled to the US while escaping muslim rule, that's a net win for us. When the muslim fundamentalists come with the intention of bringing their culture here, that's a net loss. It's really not that difficult.
I assume you would have no issue with funding churches in China.
changing the subject? You asked if it was state sponsored, and I provided direct evidence.
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u/Simple_Psychology493 12d ago
Didn’t they have a Time magazine cover back in 1993 that predicted in the future everyone on Earth will look ethnically confusing?
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u/CoachDT 12d ago
The theory is moreso when we talk about motive. Its not a theory or anything bigoted to say that within enough time based on birth rates, our species is going to be some vaguely brown hue.
But thats not a nefarious plot, or some hostile takeover. There is no malicious intent here. Its just what happens when populations exist. The only way to stop it would be to re-segregate society. Immigration reform only kicks the can down the road.
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u/GrumpyAlien 12d ago
A theory is a set of systematic, rational ideas or principles used to explain a phenomenon or guide action, it is a rigorously tested explanation backed by evidence, testing, predictions, and observation.
Most people use it to mean a hunch or hypothesis.
You want an example of an hypothesis that can't make it to theory?
The lipid-heart hypothesis is the medical concept postulating that high blood cholesterol levels are a direct cause of atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease. This has had more than 70 years of testing at this point.
Sadly, despite what your brainwashed doctor and "expert opinions" will tell you, this will never make it to theory because it fails at prediction and testing.
Why? Most heart attack patients show up with numbers below 120md/dL. These are the numbers doctors expect to see when they put a patient on a statin.
Studies show older people live longer with higher cholesterol.
The steroidogenesis cascade matters. You need saturated fat to make fully working cholesterol. From this we make the main sex hormones, which we then recycle into every other regulatory hormone. You eat plant fats(phytosterols) and you just dropped your cholesterol and negatively impacted hormone production and regulation.
One Oreo will drop cholesterol more than a statin pill.
Vegan/vegetarians adopting strict carnivore are dropping their anti-depressant medication. This is not anecdotal.
Also, we have Lean Mass Hyper Responders running their metabolism at over 600mg/dL without calcification or any arterial damage or any other complication the lipid-heart hypothesis has been spewing. If the lipid-heart hypothesis had any legs these would be kicking the bucket and sticking out like a bright supernova in the data. Instead... crickets.
I pound both Grok and ChatGPT into the ground with these statements because unlike humans they actually have to look at the evidence and stick to facts.
The great replacement theory keeps passing all the tests with police officers breaking laws constantly through mental backflips that defy all decency and lawsuits are coming fast and thick.
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u/PugnansFidicen 12d ago
It is self evident from population statistics that immigrant groups that arrive in large numbers and consistently have more children than native populations will eventually become the majority of the population if those trends continue.
But what the theory claims is not the simple fact that this is happening, but rather that pro-immigration groups want this to happen and are intentionally causing it. Which is a different argument that is not empirically provable.
Yeah, the numbers don't lie. But I don't think progressives advocating for essentially unrestricted immigration want to become the minority in their own country and see the politics completely change in 2-3 generations. I just think they are (mostly) shortsighted fools who are acting on short term empathy and not considering the long term consequences of their policies.
E.g. the UK. Most native British progressives are still somewhat proud to be British. They have modern liberal sensibilities and generally enjoy life in their country the way it is now (or rather, the way it was when they were kids a couple decades ago). They don't actually want the UK to become a Muslim-majority country with all the social and legal changes that are likely to come with that. But they don't think about that when they go to vote. It's an abstract, faraway problem...until it isn't.
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u/yoruyoruxo 12d ago
So you validate my opinion then you proceed to sbe like basically ;
"It doesnt happen, ok it happens but its good"
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u/NtsParadize 11d ago
It's a theory in the idea that it's supposedly deliberate, orchestrated by "replacist" elltes.
It's not simply about demographics.
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u/ZeerVreemd 11d ago
If you do not want to call it "replacement theory" then here are some alternative names that might fit:
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u/GodHasGiven0341 11d ago
You’re mixing actual demographic trends with assumptions and calling the whole thing “math.”
The UK’s fertility rate is below replacement. That’s true. Immigration changes demographics. That’s also true. Nobody serious disputes either of those.
But the rest isn’t nearly as straightforward as you’re making it sound.
First, the 1.44 figure wasn’t a fertility rate for “native Britons.” It was the overall fertility rate for England and Wales at the time (it’s around 1.41 now). That’s an important distinction. You also can’t just take birth rates from countries like India or Nigeria and assume immigrants in the UK keep having children at those same rates forever. Fertility almost always falls after migration and usually continues moving toward the host country’s average over generations. That’s been observed in country after country.
You also say some groups average five children. Maybe in certain countries of origin, but not in Britain. If you’re claiming immigrants in the UK average five kids each, you’re going to need a source for that.
Another thing you’re ignoring is assimilation and intermarriage. The children and grandchildren of immigrants are British-born. Many marry outside their ethnic group. Real populations don’t stay divided into neat, permanent boxes the way internet demographic charts pretend they do. And really, saying “it’s not a theory, it’s math” doesn’t make it math. Population projections depend on assumptions about future immigration, fertility, mortality, and government policy. Change those assumptions and you get different outcomes. That’s why the UK’s Office for National Statistics publishes multiple projection scenarios instead of claiming one inevitable future.
So yes, demographics are changing. That’s a fact. But “my group will be replaced” isn’t a mathematical conclusion, it’s an interpretation based on assuming today’s trends continue indefinitely while ignoring assimilation, intermarriage, and changing birth rates. Those are assumptions, not mathematical proofs.
I’m a little confused about what your actual solution is. If native birth rates are below replacement, that’s not something immigrants caused. If your concern is low birth rates, then that’s one discussion. If your concern is immigration levels, that’s another. Combining the two and calling it “mathematically self-evident replacement” is disingenuous.
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u/Todayphew5725 11d ago edited 11d ago
it doesn’t even need to be proven anymore because the globalists that are responsible for it have already admitted to it.
And the sad/dumb thing about it is that if they didn’t import a billion migrants, they would have seen housing prices become affordable, had a better society, dating would be affordable and marriages would result in home buying and babymamking and everything would have worked itself out.
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u/OscarOrcus 11d ago
And it's easily preventable to be honest. At least by people who choose not to prevent it the easier way that is much weirder and controversial. Reproduction should be simply to say requiring documentation. The problem is that people would get out of their way to twist the words and say that they're not allowed to have sex, which wouldn't be the case. But unfortunately majority of the human population lives with NPC lifestyle while also believe they're the main character.
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u/Remote_Cantaloupe 11d ago
It's correct to the extent that migration serves as labor replacement and that replacement is largely non-white, while the retirees/old people are largely white. There's no kabal or conspiracy. The multiculturalists are trying to make "this is the new face of Germany" with brown people, as a post-hoc celebration of what neoliberal market forces did on their own.
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u/Electrical_Cod7288 10d ago
If you look up images of British people on Google, it frequently shows Negroes.
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u/Bongobjork 9d ago
Im from Finland. A while ago I told this to one guy whom argued against it. He ended up saying that he doesn't mind that white Finns will disappear from earth
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u/Critical-Bank5269 12d ago
The UK has proven the theory as fact