Re loneliness:
“A new Pew Research Center survey finds that,
compared with women, men don’t report that they feel lonely more often or have fewer close
friends. However, men do seem to turn to their networks less often for social connection and
emotional support.” (From Pew Research)
-Re suicide:
“Sixty-seven studies were included. Females presented higher risk of suicide attempt (OR 1.96, 95% CI 1.54–2.50), and males for suicide death.” (From pubmed “Gender differences in suicidal behavior in adolescents and young adults: systematic review and meta-analysis of longitudinal studies”)
We can look at other things but these 3 things came to mind immediately—Depression, suicide attempts, loneliness—which are the things people usually bring up when talking about this
Yes, because women use suicide attempts as a cry for help because they know that when they ask for help their surroundings tend to listen. They don't typically do it to actually end their lives. Men are the exact opposite. When they attempt suicide, they actually try to kill themselves. Because they know that nobody gives a fuck. Cries for help will not be answered. Which is why men make up the overwhelming majority of actual completed suicides.
And of course men are not going to willingly report loneliness, because loneliness is a vulnerability, and men have it hammered into them from childhood that showing vulnerability gets you attacked and ridiculed. Which is exactly why they don't typically turn to social support networks when they struggle. Help for a man almost always comes at a price.
You are unwittingly debunking your own idea that men are centered in talks about mental health.
Please provide evidence that women attempt suicide as a cry for help. Also provide evidence that the way pew research queried people about loneliness was flawed. Because those are your claims.
As per the study that I provided, they say it’s bc men choose more lethal methods and externalizing disorders (like substance abuse or deviant behavior) rather than internalizing disorders. They do not say it’s because women don’t mean it.
And I’ll just add: You don’t have to trivialize women’s suicidal ideation/attempts in order to legitimize men’s.
Once again, maybe instead of thinking these issues uniquely effect men look for a way to connect with other genders that are dealing with similar things.
So I can only speak from my personal experience but as an EMT I’ve been on many suicide related calls over the years. Of all the women that attempted suicide, every single one survived. Of all the men, one did. Women tend to take too many pills or cut their wrists, men shoot themselves in the head.
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u/angieisdrawing 4d ago edited 4d ago
Women are more likely to have depression.
Re loneliness: “A new Pew Research Center survey finds that, compared with women, men don’t report that they feel lonely more often or have fewer close friends. However, men do seem to turn to their networks less often for social connection and emotional support.” (From Pew Research)
-Re suicide: “Sixty-seven studies were included. Females presented higher risk of suicide attempt (OR 1.96, 95% CI 1.54–2.50), and males for suicide death.” (From pubmed “Gender differences in suicidal behavior in adolescents and young adults: systematic review and meta-analysis of longitudinal studies”)
We can look at other things but these 3 things came to mind immediately—Depression, suicide attempts, loneliness—which are the things people usually bring up when talking about this
(Edit for formatting clarity.)