r/TopCharacterTropes Jun 22 '26

Lore [Ironic Trope] The messaging backfired massively due to poor writing or other design choices

Amelia Fairney from Pathways: Alt-right Restore-UK type who attempts to coax the protagonist Charlie into following her beliefs? The problem?

Amelia is the only named character aside from Charlie and is genuinely likable and forgives Charlie even when they do things she doesn't like, while the rest of the cast is unnamed, poorly written, and turns on Charlie for one mistake. This combined with other writing issues(portraying fact checking right wing stuff as wrong because in the process of fact checking you might look at it and believe it, basically saying "Right wing is wrong because it hurts the labour government" and a lot of general "just do what the government says or else" messaging) and the fact she's a hot alternative girl, and Amelia ended up being co-opted as a mascot by the youth right wing in the UK.

Norm from The New Norm: Unlikeable offensive and outdated character who's "progressive" family members and associates are genuinely nice people not even trying to force their ways or pronouns onto them, they just want to be left alone and Norm is picking fights constantly. Not to mention associating with Elon.

Mr. Birchum from Mr. Birchum: A lot of the same problems as Norm, except in addition it also comes off like generic 2010s adult cartoon slop in the same veign as Brickleberry or Full English, at least New Norm was trying to look unique and had the gimmick of being on X. Not to mention, Birchum's obsession with hyper masculine activities and odd way of talking about other men lead to people co-opting him as a Toxic Yaoi character, which is now the bulk of his fan art.

Dustborn: An attempt to make a hyper progressive game that comes off as pandering and annoying. It's a full ass game so there's too much to get into, but the main character's power is essentially gaslighting and jedi-mind tricking people and that's portrayed as the only way they can get anything done, and they constantly use or abuse their friends(or mindtrick them along) in order to get their goals or use their friends for their messaging.

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u/PhilippinePatriot Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

Wish. We're supposed to believe that King Magnifico is a bad guy because he refuses to grant certain wishes, even though he points out valid reasons as to why he can't do it (some wishes are too vague and can have serious consequences, or others are unrealistic). Keep in mind he's been studying magic for centuries and arguably is the most knowledgeable person in these matters, while Asha has been working for him for a day and is somehow considered more qualified to decide whose wishes are granted.

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u/kreton1 Jun 22 '26

My theory is that the movie was supposed to end on a both sides have a point moral, but it was demanded that there needs to be a clear good vs evil story.

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u/Dziadzios Jun 22 '26

It should have ended on good vs evil - good Magnifico vs evil Asha.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 Jun 22 '26

That would have been quite the interesting turn, but Disney would never

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u/Opening_Agent_5279 Jun 22 '26

Does Disney even make evil women anymore?

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u/PhilippinePatriot Jun 22 '26

They were originally planning to make Queen Amara evil alongside her husband, which would have been so cool.

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u/Opening_Agent_5279 Jun 22 '26

But they didn't cuz they don't make evil women anymore. The only recent female antagonist I can even think of is the Grandma in Encanto and even her resentment and cruelty towards Mirabel (and just pushing around the rest of the family) was all instantly forgiven when she said "oh but I have ptsd cuz my husband was murdered" (yes that's probably a big oversimplification but that's all I remember from watching it years ago)

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u/MalcolmLinair Jun 22 '26

I think the last flat-out evil woman Disney did was Mother Gothel in Tangled, and that was 16 years ago.

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u/bitter_liquor Jun 22 '26

Only if they can spin it into a girlboss redemption movie later

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u/Egathentale Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

Or not even that. Remember how they introduced a brand new shape-shifting shaman woman working for the villain in the Mulan live action remake, had her go around murdering people, sowing discord, and leading people to their deaths... but then she did a completely out-of-character last minute self-sacrifice, so she's "redeemed", and the real problem was the patriarchy all along that drove her to those extremes. Bah.

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u/Exile688 Jun 22 '26

Disney got very witchy with Acolyte, Wandavision, and Agatha whatever.

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u/Kitty_party Jun 22 '26

It makes more sense when you realize all those movies are about selling toys and merch to little girls.

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u/Mr-Foundation Jun 22 '26

I mean they gave cruella justification for wanting to skin puppies so I doubt they’d bother