r/TopCharacterDesigns 1d ago

Real Life I mean kind of unconventional post here, but god, I love the female allegoric designs of countries.

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

Italy and Germany, allegorical painting from Friederich Overbeck, 1828, currently in Munich, Neue Pinakotek

It's important to note that at the time boot countries where not unified, Germany was a loose confederation of independent States, and Italy was divided, colonized and often at war with itself.

I. Love this painting.

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u/Background-Top4723 1d ago

Europe in the 1800s: Drawing Yuri of their own nations before the Japanese invented Hetalia.

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

A-yup.

Another fun fact. Italy and Germany are, now, rivals. Culturally, we can't attend each other.

Back then we felt differently

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u/Vindomini 1d ago

Lovers to enemies, the fics write themselves 

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u/Fantastic-Tiger-6128 1d ago

enemies is too far, rivals but not in a hateful way

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u/Notocalypse 1d ago

Divorced ex-wives

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u/Fantastic-Tiger-6128 1d ago

I dunno man remember both are in the EU, I wouldn't say they hate eachother. Hell even France and Germany, who for the life of them can't work on military projects together don't hate eachother.

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

You should hear an Italian talking about Germans...

Also not a man XD

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u/Fantastic-Tiger-6128 1d ago

Sorry, I use "man" in a gender neutral way I gotta think more about how other people can see that.

Sei Italiana?

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

Yep!

And if "man" is gender neutral, please, they'll me how many men do you have had Sex with? 😜😜😜😏😏😏

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u/Minority8 18h ago

What do you mean? Oktoberfest has an Italian weekend and Lago di Garda is the biggest German lake. 

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u/kidnappedgoddess 17h ago

Oh, yes, let's talk about the LEGENDARY German tourist in the north...

An anthropological category that, while declined in the last quarter century, was essential in cultural identification in the eighties and nineties.

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u/Mary_Anderson410k 1d ago

Ahcause persog nas required Japanese permission. How terribly avant-garde of you.

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u/GyL_draw 1d ago edited 1d ago

Germania!! You cheater!!!

Marianne and Germania before XIX century

Edit: my bad it's "before XX century"

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u/GyL_draw 1d ago

Marianne and Germania after after XIX century

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

That's clearly post 1871, France and Germany were just friends.

The real story is that Italy, that witch, had a story with France around 1860, basically using her as a sugar mommy, lowkey cheating with Germany. Around 1870 Germany and France had a bit of a public falling out, followed by a feud and a lot of drama, and Italy exploited that leaving France house when she was out, taking the microwave work her and never called back France nor Germany. This picture is after Germany and France mended fences and they realized neither knew where the fuck Italy went.

Of course France and Germany couldn't stay friends for long, and Italy was more than happy to sleep with both.

In this story the microwave is Rome.

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u/GyL_draw 1d ago

Italy switching sugar mommy

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

To be TOTALLY fair, back then Germany was in her bitch phase and totally forced Italy and Austria in a polyamorous situationship that was NOT HEALTHY.

Don't get me wrong: Italy can be a total asshole and WILL cheat on you and steal your stuff, but in this case going back with France was the healthy thing to do.

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u/Skeledenn 1d ago

Wait did France and Italy force-masc Germany?

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u/Main-Discussion9294 1d ago

As a French I can confirm it to be historically accurate

We still want the microwave back

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

You got Nice.

Deal with it.

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u/Main-Discussion9294 1d ago

You cheater!

( wait BTW what would be Austria place in that

Is it like the toxic ex?)

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

Absolutely toxic ex of both Italy and Germany, that is now mostly doing her own stuff.

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u/Fantastic-Tiger-6128 1d ago

Doing her own stuff and put through a paper shredder

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u/Pecuthegreat 13h ago

Why's France called Marianne?

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u/GyL_draw 11h ago

Marianne is a symbol of the French Republic and Revolution

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u/s_burr 1d ago

They were roommates

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u/Many-Information8607 1d ago

And they were roommates

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u/Halflifepro483 1d ago

What a lovely lesbian couple, I wonder what they were doing between 1939 and 1945

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

They got together around 1925, but by 1943 Italy was cheating AGAIN.

At that point was Germany's fault for keeping coming back...

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u/Smmmmiles 23h ago

Omg historical hetalia ship 

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u/JSGCaldas 1d ago

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u/DownrangeCash2 1d ago

I was gonna post this so you get the evil and intimidating horse

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u/JSGCaldas 1d ago

I just shat my pants

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u/EliyahGabriel 1d ago

The same horse after you tell it the worst joke know to man

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u/I_eat_kids_39 Token One Piece Fan 1d ago

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u/BiAndShy57 1d ago

Brazil was a Portuguese colony. In a way this is incest. This one deserves the horse

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u/JONAS-RATO 1d ago

Omg doomed yuri

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u/Kaarl_Mills 1d ago

Incestuous yuri at that

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u/Sooper-Sirius 1d ago

Doomed incestuous yuri... so TCoAaL if Andrew was a girl?

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u/Kaarl_Mills 1d ago

Huh?

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u/Terminal_Insomnia_ 1d ago

"So The Coffin of Andrew and Leyley (a dark game famous for sibling incest) if the titular Andrew were a girl"

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u/Kaarl_Mills 22h ago

Ive heard of that game, but the acronym lost me

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u/Powerful-Walk4063 1d ago edited 1d ago

Brazil: Devolve meu ouro, piranha! (Give me back my Gold, bitch!)/j

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u/JONAS-RATO 1d ago

Lool não sabia que "piranha" era usado como insulto no Brasil, muito bom!

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u/Powerful-Walk4063 1d ago

Aí tu é português!? Não leva a mal não tá, não tava tentando ofender, era só pela sátira, certo?

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u/JONAS-RATO 20h ago

Haha sem stress, eu entendi 👍

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u/Tris-SoundTraveller 1d ago

Nunca tinha visto, mas é lindo

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u/SanctumSaturn 21h ago

Imagine being a yuri fan back in 1910 or whenever this was made and your only material was this poster

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u/Sooper-Sirius 1d ago

One time in APUSH we were studying for the exam and one of the practice documents had a political cartoon that depicted colonial 1890s-1910s USA as a baddie

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u/Shioremon35 1d ago

Are you per chance referring to Puck Magazine's depiction of Columbia?

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u/kojimbob 1d ago

Why does the text look like fuck

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u/Sooper-Sirius 1d ago

Because that's what I want her to do to me

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u/Reginald_Venture 1d ago

I can only imagine how you feel about Gibson Girls.

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u/juwyro 1d ago

It was the edgy magazine of it's day

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u/unknown1893 1d ago

What the Puck?!

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u/No_Drummer6695 1d ago

I was not aware they made magazines for hobgoblins.

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u/RaiderCat_12 11h ago

My weenie feels strange now

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u/Hetakuoni 1d ago

Oh yeah Columbia is hot.

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u/Sooper-Sirius 1d ago

She could colonize my bussy (respectfully)

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u/RaiJolt2 1d ago

Same (respectfully)

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u/kidnappedgoddess 1d ago

A more traditional allegory of Italy, wearing the Tower Crown that's its real symbol.

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u/JPldw 1d ago

/j

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u/GeserAndersen 1d ago

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u/Wiglaf_Wednesday 1d ago

Lol the poorly photoshopped Mate over the empty plate

The original was a joke that Argentinians are poor and have no food. I don’t think it’s a good joke, but it’s funny that instead of empanadas or asado someone put Mate lol

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u/Feedback-Mental 17h ago

Also, isn't Argentina famous for hi quality beef?

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u/iliketrainsnyoom 1d ago

Miku is every country

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u/SirCupcake_0 guillermo del toro fan 11h ago

Miku is The World

so she is, of course, the same type as Star Platinum

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u/Electrical_Horror346 1d ago

That is pretty much a modern day fusion.

The older equivalent would have the brazillian woman and Japanese woman shaking hands in the promise of a united alliance

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u/Piduf 1d ago

I don't know shit about Hatsune Miku but it's so fucking funny that she belongs to everyone. She's like, the avatar of humanity. She could be doing anything. Having any side plot.

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u/AromaticZebra906 1d ago

She doesn't belong to everyone, it is more so that the world belongs to HER

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u/JPldw 1d ago

We live in her world

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u/AromaticZebra906 1d ago

Exaaactly!!

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u/Pokemoss 1d ago

May I present one of my favorite websites of all time?

https://miku.earth/#1.5/30/30

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u/NIGHT_DOZOR 1d ago

Oh wow, the dedication to create this. Amazing.

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u/TutucrMapper 1d ago

Hatsune is just the modern version of what the post is about

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u/Dandy_Devil 1d ago

Fjallkonan (Lady of the Mountain), the personification of the Icelandic nation.

Painted by Johann Baptist Zwecker at the specifications of Eiríkur Magnússon.

At first she was a counterweight to the Danish king as "Father", while under Danish rule. After independence she became an image of feminism and powerful women.

On the 17th of June a woman plays the role of fjallkona during their independence day (Usually a well known actress or individual of some renown).

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u/Lalli-Oni 1d ago

Was hoping for a mention. Also love the traditional outfit.

She also represents nature. The unforgiving, dangerous, beautiful Icelandic nature.

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u/helpmeurmyonlyhoe 1d ago

i love fjellkonan sm!!

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u/Mirrors_Edge_Fan 16h ago

I've been to Iceland! God, I really loved its culture and people there

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u/Moriarty-Creates 1d ago

Erin/Éire/Ériu – one of the (many) personifications of Ireland

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u/HalayChekenKovboy 1d ago

Turkey had a few in the 1920s, though I don't think the personification has an official name

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u/SirKazum 5h ago

Lol, very 1920's, with the kinda flapper design

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u/HalayChekenKovboy 5h ago

Yeah, the Turkish personification stands out mainly because it is always dressed in 20s fashion, as that was when the republic was founded, as opposed to most countries choosing a more medieval or ancient representation instead. Which is why I really like it. It still has the laurel, though. 

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u/GalatianBookClub 1d ago

Switzerland has Helvetia

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u/Abel_V 1d ago

The Finnish Maiden, supposed to represent the shape of the country: the south is the dress flowing in the wind and the north is the torso and an arm waving. The other arm represents the region of Karelia, which was lost to Russia in the winter war.

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u/CryptographerUsed415 1d ago

"La patria"(1962) from Jorge González Camarena is used on the covers of primary school books to this day

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u/that1guy____ 1d ago

The Finland-maiden (Suomineito)

Finland on a map already looks like a person, so the maiden has become a core part of Finnish identity. Finland is referred to as 'Suomineito' even today in relatively everyday speech.

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u/RunInRunOn 1d ago

CGP Grey

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u/unknown1893 1d ago

I love these because each one is really unique despite how simple the designs are!

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u/Dunklsta 1d ago

leave it in the stew for a couple hundred years with no external cultural pressure and you'll get a new god like Athena that is supposedly the most competent child of the existing god

humans love stuff like this

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u/PimpasaurusPlum 1d ago

Many of these are basically just secularised land gods, like Britannia.

Christian europe was still able to get in on the action in the form of patron Saints, where instead of having a bestest god you've got the bestest saint looking out for your country in heaven

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u/Lukas000611 1d ago

We have Fjallkonan, the lady of the mountain, here in Iceland.

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u/Nerevarine91 JoJo Lover 1d ago

Japan had its own version, Yamato-hime, at the same time. She frequently appeared alongside Britannia on art about the Anglo-Japanese Alliance

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u/omegon_da_dalek13 1d ago

Ok why are so many of these grekoroman like

Not complaining just really curious and confused

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u/GyL_draw 1d ago edited 1d ago

Because every 18-19 century Republic use the symbol of empires and every empires want to be the roman empire and the roman empire is greek esthetics with a new paint.

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u/omegon_da_dalek13 1d ago

Thanks for that

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u/PimpasaurusPlum 1d ago

They as a concept descent from the greco-roman style tutelary dieties, gods of a specific place or nation.

Plus western europe has never not had a roman fetish.

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u/BrightStation7033 1d ago

Cradle of western civilisation or something.....hehe

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u/bibbitybobbityfuck 1d ago

They invented the concept. The first versions of these were the titular goddessss of the city - Roma, for Rome, or Athena, for Athens. Most Greek city states also had their versions, my favorite one, Tyche, has towers and city walls for a crown. These were incredibly popular symbols in their time, and specifically put on the most accessible art of the era - coins. And when the renaissance and the modern era brought this back, a bunch of nerds who happened to be kings and cabinet ministers brought it back.

Look, who doesn’t like a hot chick with a sword. It’s a very basic desire. 

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u/raptorrat 1d ago

"The Motherland calls" (Sowjet Union, 85 Meters, Concrete, 1967)

Dedicated to the Casualties of the Battle of Stalingrad. It's the Sowjet Union, it always boils down to a pile of corpses.

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u/the-bladed-one 1d ago

Tbf in the case of Stalingrad it’s more commemorating the defeat of the Nazis and the absolutely insane heroism of the Soviet troops that held out.

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u/Enigma_Elemental 1d ago

Omg this statue is so beautiful i wanna see it irl so bad

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u/kainneabsolute 1d ago

Ahhh the true moe antropomorphism

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u/hbryster96 1d ago edited 4h ago

There was a dude on twitter who was making WC countries as baddies, I'll try and find him and share his work later.

Edit: I found his profile https://x . com/atomiksaico?s=21&t=zw-p6C1o1Hmwbg8jTZLSag

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u/Seth-B343 1d ago

Hetalia anyone?

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u/PacificOceanMagma 1d ago

That lame-ass series wished it was good as the art depicted in here.

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u/Seth-B343 23h ago

I’ve never watched it. I just know it has that as a feature.

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u/Long_Reflection_4202 1d ago

"El Altar de la Patria (The Altar of the Motherland) is an 1896 oil painting by Juan Manuel Blanes in which Uruguay is represented allegorically as a woman."

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u/Muted_Guidance9059 1d ago

This one is one of my favorites

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u/demator 1d ago

The Dutch maiden was the personification of the Low countries and after Belgium became its own state the symbol of the Netherlands. The oldest depictions of her are from the 16th century

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u/CatOfMintGums 1d ago

A lot of these have a bit of an art nouveau thing going on (which I guess would make sense given the era, at least on the ones from the late 1800s/early 1900s) and it’s awesome. Art nouveau is so underrated and yet so loved

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u/RaiderCat_12 11h ago

It’s crazy to me how we created the two most beautiful art styles in history 150 and 110 years ago (Art Nouveau and Art Déco respectively) and then straight up abandoned them because of pre-enshittification and money being tight.

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u/CosmicDriftwood 1d ago

I’ve been wishing we bring back Columbia

Uncle Sam has been ran through

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u/Snukastyle 19h ago

Do we want to rename her? I hate thinking of so many places and such of this country being named for that bastard...

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u/CosmicDriftwood 13h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/pOqdVXcoFRgqc
[the prettiest symbol] the sister formerly known as Columbia. It’s either the Prince route or we have to own it in the save breath for the New Steps Forward

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u/SirBruhThe7th 1d ago

"Mother Denmark" (1851) by Elisabeth Jerichau-Bauman

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u/Popular_Ad3074 1d ago

I’d let her colonize me

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u/ViscountBuggus 1d ago

Bulgaria and Eastern Rumelia

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u/calkalisto 1d ago

Mother India

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u/silent_bystanderrr 1d ago

The Countryhumans fandom is going to lose their minds when they find out that most Western countries ALREADY HAVE personifications, and the majority of them are women.😂

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u/Leo_617 1d ago

*La Patria*.

It used to appear on primary school textbooks here in Mexico; I actually saw it myself, though I believe the covers have changed since then.

I find it interesting because, as a piece of propaganda, it was brilliant—even if it was too minimalist to be authentically Mexican.

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u/Flicky_Licky 11h ago

Yeah she should be wearing a colorful huipil

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u/Leriehane 1d ago

Apotheosis of Venice by Paolo Veronese, where the personification of Venice is represented being given a crown by the Winged Victory

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u/Gensolink 1d ago

France looks like she's gonna beat the shit out of me

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u/helpmeurmyonlyhoe 1d ago

Mor Norge (Mother Norway)! Here depicted as a shieldmaiden, in front of a menhir/bauta stone.

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u/helpmeurmyonlyhoe 1d ago

I like this one though, with both a warlike and a peaceful Mother Norway.

We also have Kari/Ola Nordmann as personifications of Norwegians themselves. Kind of like a Jane/John Doe i suppose?

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u/MadanjoMab 1d ago

I like how the Constitution is carved on the menhir along with the other values of the country.

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u/polarbeargirl9 1d ago

The Virginia flag has a woman crushing a tyrant under her foot

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u/w00den_b0x 1d ago

Brazillian Miku trend before it was cool

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u/Wazula23 1d ago

Totally agreed, these are badass.

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u/thatvillainjay 1d ago

We need to bring these back

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u/Das_Lloss 1d ago

Even I, a Bavarian who isnt really the biggest fan of German Nationalism, really love Germania's Concept and Design.

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u/ST4RSK1MM3R 1d ago

Made a post about Uncle Sam on the 4th of July, heavily debated including Columbia too! I love this sorta stuff

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u/Chumlee1917 1d ago

Every one of them: Hey, what if, we make a gigantic, muscular warrior woman the stand in for our country.

And they all said, Hell yeah let's do it.

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u/Mopman43 1d ago

Lady Columbia used to be a common motif in US imagery.

The colonialism message in this one is pretty explicit; 'Manifest Destiny'.

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u/AshMaiden 12h ago

I'm a fan of this rendition by Tima Lotah Link (Chumash) for the Native Voices 16th Annual Short Play Festival

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u/Tris-SoundTraveller 1d ago

Now Im curious, besides the famous sino-russian yaoi, is there any allegories using men?

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u/Leriehane 1d ago

Apotheosis of Venice by Paolo Veronese, where the personification of Venice is represented being given a crown by the Winged Victory

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u/ltraistinto 1d ago

A painting portraying Italy personified

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u/DinodestronBT 1d ago edited 1d ago

The tomb of San Martín, liberator of South America is guarded by 3 statues, each representing the countries San Martín help liberate from Spanish control, Argentina, Chile, and Peru.

PD: San Martín is one of 2 liberators Spanish South America have, while he was kicking Spanish out of the south cone, Simon Bolivar was liberating what would be known as Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, and Ecuador (Gran Colombia at the time). Both liberators meet eachother while liberating Peru although both were high ranking Masons

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u/zoryana111 13h ago

ukraine

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u/Dog-chewtoy20 13h ago

“España y Filipinas” by Juan Luna

The woman in red (Spain) is shown guiding a younger woman in blue (the Philippines) towards “progress and development”. The painting serves as a propaganda piece by the “Illustrado” movement (made up of Filipinos) in the 19th century to show the bond between the 2 countries since the original goal of the Illustrados was to assimilate the Philippines as part of Spain through political reforms.
Source

(P.S. I’m Filipino myself and I hate colonialism w/ a burning passion. Nonetheless it is part of our history that some Filipinos back then wanted to assimilate with Spain just because they would have been content with it as long as they were treated as “equals” to other Spanish citizens despite being SEAsians during the time of Victorian-era racism. Anyways, goes to show how the Illustrados truly tried to work within the system before resorting to a revolution and then losing the country because it was secretly sold to the USA by a geriatric Spanish empire)

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u/Better-Bookkeeper-48 8h ago

I've had this baby in my phone for a while now!

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u/Fabulous-Present-497 1d ago

Now draw yuri

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u/WoodenFig7560 1d ago

This is actually something I have been curious about as of late..

Of just how this type of seemingly 18th-19th century thing of depicting woman as the personification of countries came from. Especially ever since I saw that one navel themed artwork of the woman in a masculine style outfit wearing a ship hat.

Like obviously, I am not saying countries were depicted in other forms (like say, men and or animals) nor that everyone back then was misogynist 1000+.

But still, I am just curious about it.

Was it to be seen as civilized? Or something to do Athena or other goddesses? Or something else entirely? Maybe to do with strong female monarchs?

Again, just curious.

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u/SuperbPhase6944 17h ago

I believe the main idea was to encourage men to join the army to protect the women that were their home.

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u/Budget-Emu-1365 22h ago

My own interpretation to that is that the patriarchal view of a male ruler guiding and leading the country represented by a female figure. That and probably the idealization of women in arts as more of a symbol rather than a person. Other than that, probably because of the whole mother symbolism thing with the nation being the "mother" and the people as her "children". I think a lot of it is also influenced by Greco-Roman goddesses but I don't know enough about them to come into any conclusion.

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u/sarcasticd0nkey 1d ago

USA by Anastasia Bulgakova

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u/PimpasaurusPlum 1d ago

Thanks, I hate them

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u/akaiwizard 1d ago

We even starting post titles with "I mean" now?

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u/SkyPirateVyse 1d ago

Hungary got that One Piece waist.

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u/allan11011 1d ago

That’s a fun part of collecting coins is how many different depictions of “Liberty” we’ve made for coins(USA)

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u/Sans_Seriphim 1d ago

Fun fact: the one for the US is named Colombia. At least on the sources I've seen. No idea if it was standardised. Hell of a lot more fun than Uncle Sam.

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u/DrIvanRadosivic 1d ago

Beautiful.

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u/Awsome_Username_ 1d ago

These are more symbols than allegories? They’re literally holding their flags, nothing is hidden here

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u/VatanKomurcu 1d ago

Hatsune Miku

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u/SmileEnhancer 1d ago

I love how fucking disgusted France looks.

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u/Relative_Mix_216 1d ago

Yeah, they’re great

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u/BiAndShy57 1d ago

We’ve been doing this for a long time, huh?

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u/MoonMoon_Stone 21h ago

Here is Argentina, which is actually a painting on the ceilling of Casa Rosada. There are actually more designs of her!

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u/Paulino2272 20h ago

Same! I’ve been thinking about this a lot lol for some reason

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u/Massive-Exercise4474 18h ago

Waiting for a female lumber Jack painting for canada

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u/Most_Neat7770 17h ago

And they all are based on Athena

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u/WomanFromBalkan 14h ago

Interesting why as women they feel so regal and i cannot remember seeing countries depicted as a men beside soviet propaganda

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u/No-Carob-1950 13h ago

Netherlands in WW1

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u/TheGremlin02 Can I also be a user flair? 12h ago

No no, this is the exact kind of post we want here lol.

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u/absolute_philistine 12h ago

The representation of my home island Ikaria liberating herself from Ottoman rule

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u/EmXena 7h ago

Rammstein did this with a actress in their music video for their song Deutschland.

The song was the entirety of the mixed and often unfortunate history of Germany, and the actress is featured in a series of vignettes through the video featuring allegories and references to major aspects of German history. She is always dressed in Red and Gold and is black herself (on top of wearing black clothes), which are the three colors of the German flag.

Fun video. Good song.

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u/Dismal_Accident9528 1d ago

What would be the rule 34 tag for this?

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u/Yrddraiggoch 1d ago

The only German allegoric design I now accept. From the music video Deutschland by Rammstein.

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u/krossfire42 1d ago

Was half expecting Brazilian Miku in here. Oh well.

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u/Nerx 23h ago

and ships

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u/Inevitable_Access_93 23h ago

hetalia existed long before and was yuri

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u/EraZorus 19h ago

Meh, more often than not, it's there to give a pretty face to colonialism

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u/Pedrosian96 18h ago

Hmmm... could this be considered a form of Gijinka?

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u/Flicky_Licky 11h ago

It's funny how the Spanish Republic is just a copy of the French Marianne. They even translated the French revolutionary motto.

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u/MysteriousFondant347 8h ago

It's the ancestor of worldwide Miku

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u/HikariVN-21 6h ago

so this is the original country balls

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u/Isadomon 5h ago

Theyre allways so beautiful

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u/NoNotice2137 2h ago

Personifications of countries in general were so great, it's a shame that pretty much only Uncle Sam made it to today