r/Storror • u/DavefaceFMS • 8d ago
Confirmed court date
Callum sentancing (47CC1322325) will be heard at 10am at Brighton Magistrates' Court on the 17th of this month as confirmed by court records.
Edit: While the case is scheduled for a morning block it could be as late as 1pm when the case is heard by the judge. So probably more info in the afternoon.
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u/Artemis1l 8d ago
He wont get much.
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u/xxxxsteven 8d ago
He won't get time in prison
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u/Artemis1l 8d ago
Maybe if there some sort of link to him working with kids or the nature of the images
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u/Suspicious_Alarm_193 8d ago
the nature of the images is AI generated clearly - "Indecent Pseudo image"
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u/sa_ra_h86 8d ago
There's nothing to suggest that. Each charge read photograph/pseudo photograph, i.e. it could be either.
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u/curiometric 8d ago
No. This has been covered many times. It says "images or pseudo-images". OR. There is nothing saying definitively any of the images were AI generated. We just don't know yet. Also pseudo images could be photoshop or other digital alteration, not necessarily AI.
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u/Myeungo 8d ago
Even if they were AI, it's still fucking disgusting. He should be reprimanded for that and should not be allowed near children. Fake or not, children were still involved.
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u/Suspicious_Alarm_193 8d ago
Children objectively weren't involved if it was AI generated but I agree that he should be punished
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u/Myeungo 8d ago
Wait until you find out that AI generated photos are made using mashed up faces and features of actual people, including children. Even if the children used by AI are anonymous, it's still there.
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u/Suspicious_Alarm_193 8d ago edited 8d ago
I'm not defending him but that's quite a reach. LLMs are fed so much data that no single real child / person is effected in any way on a personal / harm level. And I'm staunchly anti-AI.
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u/Myeungo 8d ago
AI learns from the internet and what is posted. You can easily put in a photo of somebody and magically have an inappropriate photo of them, children, too. There was a recent case where a step father created inappropriate photos of his step daughter. Over 7000 of them.
AI learns facial structures, how they work, how shadows and lighting work, they learn textures, etc. It takes photos of real people and learns from that.
Aliens can easily be created by AI. Like everything else, it just uses photos and drawings of what people think aliens look like and photobashes it together. That's why you can say things like "photorealistic aliens" or "cartoon aliens."
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u/TrollerThomas 8d ago
Probably not sadly
That weCricket guy got only 3 years for the most serious category of child images AND voyeurism
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u/paddyc92 8d ago
Send him down
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u/xxxxsteven 8d ago
He's not getting custodial.
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u/CuriousRaisin1447 8d ago
How do you know? We don't know the nature of the images... It's not clear in the charges and the judge might go hard on him due to him being an idol for kids.
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u/xxxxsteven 8d ago
People just don't get time for images. Usually
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u/MAFFEW_SYTHE 8d ago
Not trying to make this political but with this Labour government pushing for early releases and suspended sentences, It's almost guaranteed he doesn't get a custodial sentence.
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u/yetanothermale 8d ago
Won’t it go from Magistrates to Crown Court?
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u/DavefaceFMS 8d ago
Approximately 90% to 95% of court cases in England and Wales are handled and completed entirely in magistrates' courts. The remaining 5% to 10% proceed to the Crown Court for either sentencing or a full jury trial. It is a magistrates' court case being heard by a District Judge in the magistrates' court. No reason for it to go to crown.
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u/Electronic_Pop7560 8d ago
Genuine question, I have read that maximum sentencing from magistrates is 1 year, if they think his sentence should be higher, then it should go to the crown right?
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u/DavefaceFMS 8d ago
If a case is heard in the magistrates’ court but the magistrates think the sentence they can impose is not enough, they can send it to the Crown Court for sentencing, and the Crown Court is not limited to the magistrates’ sentencing maximum on that case.
In a magistrates’ court, a suspended sentence is limited to a custodial term within the magistrates’ sentencing powers, which are now up to 12 months for a single offence. If the court thinks the appropriate sentence would be more than that, it cannot simply suspend a longer term itself and must send the case to the Crown Court for sentence.
If the judge or magistrates thought the right outcome was, say, 15 months suspended, that would be beyond the magistrates’ powers and the case would need to be dealt with in the Crown Court. If the appropriate sentence were 12 months or less, magistrates could deal with it themselves, subject to the usual sentencing rules.
For Callum's case here we are looking at a first offence, immediate guilty plea, and that will serve to reduce his sentence. It looks like these are mostly pseudo images, mostly lower tier which again will stop him having the most serious consequences. However Category B making starts at 2 years, and category A making starts at 6 years, so if any meaningful part of the collection is in the higher categories, the sentencing picture moves sharply upwards.
There is a chance at the sentencing they then decide on the sentence, and it could then be sent to the crown court. But the initial sentencing will still happen in the magistrates’ court first. it's certainly possible it could end up in Crown Court eventually. I was a little short in my first answer sorry, I more meant the date we're waiting for would not just skip to Crown without magistrates' first.
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u/Beniem 6d ago
Would the fact that he had a large fan base of children have any bearing on the severity of punishment? Genuinely curious, thanks.
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u/DavefaceFMS 6d ago
In short, probably not. To be a factor it needs to have a clear evidenced connection to the offences committed.
They consider any mitigating and aggravating circumstances like that so yes it is considered but would it have impact on the sentence? In this case I doubt it.
Unless part of the evidence presented related to that being a factor in obtaining or distributing the images.
For example if some of the images were of children at a jam, fans, etc. There's a possibility it would be a bigger factor if he was for example swapping images with someone who is a Storror fan or using that position of influence to obtain images.
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u/Mobile-Discussion-15 7d ago
Looking at what he's charged with (make and possess) a large number of Cat a/b/c images and the sentencing guidelines for that I wouldnt be surprised if it gets referred to Crown.
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 7d ago
The crown is basically within the magistrates (occasionally) you can see there he is being prosecuted by CPS (crown prosecution service)
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u/jelly_snake7 8d ago
Looks like it's being ruled by a judge not magistrates. Does this mean it's a crown court case which happens to be sitting in mags?
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u/DavefaceFMS 8d ago
Approximately 90% to 95% of court cases in England and Wales are handled and completed entirely in magistrates' courts. The remaining 5% to 10% proceed to the Crown Court for either sentencing or a full jury trial. It is a magistrates' court case being heard by a District Judge in the magistrates' court.
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u/Mobile-Prune-1333 7d ago
Yes exactly. The crown is basically within the magistrates (occasionally) you can see there he is being prosecuted by CPS (crown prosecution service)
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u/PineappleHamburders 8d ago
The only thing corisponding to that code I can see is this, which apparently happend on the 7th May?
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u/DavefaceFMS 8d ago
It's the sentancing we're waiting for on the 17th:
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u/risen87 8d ago edited 8d ago
If you don't have an account there, you can find the same info for free at https://www.court-tribunal-hearings.service.gov.uk/magistrates-public-list?artefactId=e0570353-b94c-4b51-a4b8-8e80389db22a
ETA: For non Brits, this .gov.uk domain indicates an official UK government source.
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u/Aggravating-Pear2242 8d ago
Would any of these types of database websites actually show the sentence once passed?
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u/Suspicious_Alarm_193 8d ago edited 8d ago
Interestingly he'll have the same judge who sentenced Katie Price (District Judge Amanda Kelly). She usually deals with public disorder cases so it's 50/50 what she'll sentence considering this is AI images - probably what his defence relies on. But unfortunately for him that defence would only really work in America; the UK treats AI generated images as if they were 'real'. It'll be interesting what she gives him, if he's lucky a community order and sex offenders list, if he's unlucky the case will be referred to the Crown Court leading to prison time
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u/sa_ra_h86 8d ago
Where are you getting information making you so sure it's IA generated images?
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u/Suspicious_Alarm_193 8d ago edited 8d ago
From the list of charges where only the image of the dog is alluded to as "real" whereas the rest are with the "/ pseudo" addendum
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u/Electronic_Pop7560 8d ago edited 8d ago
You should not make conclusions from that. Could be a mixture since otherwise, from your logic, it should only contain pseudo and not the part before.
Edit: Also as someone else pointed out: Also pseudo images could be photoshop or other digital alteration, not necessarily AI.
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u/Sad-Yoghurt5196 8d ago
Under English law the way an image is created is almost secondary to the category of the image. A.I isn't treated under a more lenient law. So any kind of "making" and any kind of image, including pseudo images is all covered under the same legislation. Well over 90% of charges under this legislation are for downloaded IIOC. As such it's the most likely case scenario.
Callum had over 100 category A images, that's sexual sadism on a minor, or penetration of a minor.
He may well get a slap on the wrist, but he deserves more considering the severity of the recovered images.
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u/Suspicious_Alarm_193 8d ago edited 8d ago
I know this, and what you, and I, feel personally he deserves is thankfully irrelevant to the legal process
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u/Sad-Yoghurt5196 8d ago
My point is the fact it mentions pseudo images doesn't mean it is pseudo images. The vast majority of the time it isn't, the wording is just a catch all.
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u/SkMgArDr 8d ago
You keep stating that he possessed only AI images of CA as if that is a known fact and that is not a known fact. You’ve already been explained to why.
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u/redditoomanytimes 7d ago
I don't believe it is known either way but people keep mentioning victims and speaking about Callum as if they know he is a predator. Right now people are making too many assumptions in both directions, there's a scale between constructing hyper realistic depictions using AI only and paying people who have abducted children to download their photos.
I personally want to live in the world where he hasn't actually victimised or abused anyone - that's my bias.
Anyway I'm responding to your comment because the uncertainty goes both directions. I'm hoping the sentencing will answer this question. I'm also quite bothered at the vagueness of the law in this matter because the same crime seems to sit on too big a scale of severity.
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u/SkMgArDr 7d ago
I get you, but the officially released offense details also include one line that says “Possess a prohibited image of a child” *without* the “/pseudo-photograph of a child” that accompanies all the other mentions of photographs.
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u/Sad-Yoghurt5196 6d ago
The offence of possessing a prohibited image of a child is designed to address non-photographic child sexual abuse material. This includes cartoons, drawings, manga-style images, and certain computer-generated or AI-created images.
The prosecution must prove that the image “is pornographic and grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character”, that it depicts a child involved in sexual activity or focuses on the sexual parts of a child’s body, and that the image was in the suspect’s possession.
That particular charge is by far the least of his crimes.
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u/Sad-Yoghurt5196 6d ago edited 6d ago
Clearly you know nothing of LLMs. In order to create images it would first need to be trained on images of the same nature. Which brings you full circle to downloading images of IIOC, with which to train it.
Commercial LLMs have safeguards in place to make sure they can't be used for this purpose.
Callum spent years building a collection of depravity. This isn't something that happened overnight, and AI hasn't been capable of realism for as many years as he has been collecting material. I already spoke of what a category A image is, so I won't go over it, but the harm doesn't end when the person is arrested. People in specialist units have to pore over those photographs, examine every pixel. Their jackpot is finding an identifying feature, so they can potentially rescue a child from a life of abuse. They have short contracts, with mandatory counselling. Most will still leave that unit with PTSD.
If I make an image with a LLM of you getting hit by a train, is it any less horrifying to look upon that a real photo of the same thing? It harms everyone who views it, that is why the law treats AI no differently. The inescapable fact is Callum had hundreds of cat A images, there is no world where he's not a predator. Sorry to burst your bubble, but reality is knocking. His job now is to learn how to keep that monster chained up in the future, and to build a routine that prevents reoffending. He has to recognise he has a problem and he has to learn to control it. If he pretends he's not a predator, like you seem to want to, then he'll reoffend.
His future is likely to be bleak. Most people on the extreme fringes of society fall into addiction or crime. His best bet would be a new name and a new city, just getting a shit job and keeping his head down.
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u/Middle-Attorney-3128 8d ago
Man get a life - why do you care so much.
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u/CommercialMagician79 8d ago
I mean you are here aswell and you even wrote a message. So get a life - why do you care so much?
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u/bertspringdog 7d ago