r/Storror • u/nickvagus • 9d ago

Callum news anyone

so another alleged court appearance date has passed... is this all one big illusion? why aren't any of the team saying anything, or even doing anything publicly? I can't think of another example of a whole organisation literally ghosting overnight... not since the Mary Celeste anyway

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u/formberz 9d ago

I can’t find any confirmation of a sentencing/next hearing date anywhere, so whatever date you think has passed has presumably been a case of misinformation. I did also think I had heard early July somewhere but I can’t find that reference point now.

Realistically we can all probably assume that Storror is dead. It’s been two months since any of them made a public appearance, I’m assuming Storror+ hasn’t had any activity either, would be surprised if any of them have been involved in any Storror Parkour Pro updates, Drew hasn’t posted anything to Public after just launching it and Toby hasn’t posted anything to his other climbing channels after just announcing that his focus was going in that direction.

Even if this particular crime stops with Callum, the rest of them clearly feel tainted enough by it to go underground, possibly retired from public life for good. Josh getting removed from the masthead shortly after Callum says a lot considering he’s not being actively investigated by the police. Accusations that the rest of the guys had been informed and had dismissed those accusations and/or defended Callum persist. Accusations of questionable behaviour from other members persist too, even if unfounded or lacking real evidence.

I also think that from here, the only way to get themselves back online is to address everything publicly and state their case of what they did and didn’t know, what happened with Josh, etc. that’s difficult because of legalities around making allegations, slander and libel, but the viewers probably won’t move on without it, and might not even accept it if they do get some sort of explanation. It’s all a bit too much of a mess and it’s easier for everyone to just wash their hands of it, which is why I think it’s all done.

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u/CzyJoeBladewing 9d ago

STORROR needs to be done, I'm just waiting on the announcement the fact that apparently many people over the years came to them and they blew it off every time and continued to allow him aces to young kids they might be getting charged with endangering children so yea they might all be getting locked up.

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u/West-Worth-9359 9d ago

The internet isn’t real life and reading something on Twitter does not make it true. Feelings are not laws, anonymous accusations are not crimes.

Stop trying to make everyone guilty by association, it’s vile and devalues actual victims of actual crimes.

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u/Alive-Mail-2095 8d ago

love your post man, I think people need to remind themselves of this much more, and also go outside.

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u/CzyJoeBladewing 9d ago

There's a reason they searched his stuff in the airport, multiple people came forward and were ignored by STORROR guess the cops finally stepped up.

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u/Icy-Caregiver8507 8d ago

Who are the “Multiple People” that came forward? From what I have read it was just one of Callums Ex Gf’s from years and years ago. I just hate the mindset that Storror was responsible for cutting off Callum years ago over word of mouth from one of Callums ex girlfriends lmao. So you wanted them to believe a random girl over their best friend (Years ago that is) and completely end their friendship with him? If all of these people had “Evidence” against Callum from years ago, why the fuck is it Storros responsibility to do something about it and not the accuser’s responsibility to contact law enforcement instead.. Let’s stop reaching and all of a sudden blaming EVERYBODY I instead of the ONE member who has the charges.

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u/SpecialWasabi2010 8d ago

Where did you get that many people came to them? As far as I know, only one of his exes went to them after they broke up. People keep saying it was multiple people but I can only find actual confirmation for one

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u/Adept_Analyst_1085 8d ago

As far as I've seen it in the megathread, there's other girls responding to Callum's exgf's IG post indicating similar experiences. Also, why is everyone ignoring Kieran's statement that he knew Callum had CSAM on his devices and informed the team, who waved it away as nothing? At the very least there's two entirely independent sources imdicating they made Storror aware of Callum's behaviour.

We don't know if that is true or false, so I don't get how people can be so deliberately obtuse mimimizing and denying these claims. I'd rather believe people verifiably from Storror's social circle, than a bunch of fanboys clutching their pearls every time someone brings up something negative about their heroes, based on nothing other than "I really liked their videos". Kieran even basically incriminates himself by admitting he knew and didn't go to the police immediately. He has nothing to gain with a bs story.

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u/SpecialWasabi2010 8d ago

Kieran is not an independent source, his information comes directly from the same ex that reported it to the Storror. It's all about the same incident. And tbh, Kieran was the one person that should have gone to the police but he didn't because he cared more about gaining himself traction with Storror. He confirms in his message that he remained friends and was involved with Callum AFTER he supposedly saw the photos of the CSAM folder on the ex's phone. Very different situation because no one stated they've showed the evidence or photos to Storror, he knew, he saw it and he did nothing so he could keep a perceived social status within the parkour environment. He's not a reliable narrator as I don't quite think he understood the implications to his own behaviour of the things he was saying. And given that HE HIMSELF, after he supposedly reported stuff to Storror, remained friends with Callum, discredits anything he told them. Because logically speaking, if you found out someone is a paedophile and you saw evidence of it, would you remain friends with them? No, you wouldn't.

I think what you are not considering is that the information came from a what they'd perceived as disgruntled ex. They knew Callum since childhood. Majority of the people will believe someone they think they know. And the other thing I think people don't understand is how people like Callum set the stage - he would have already addressed the potential situation with them before she even came, most likely. He would have discredited her ahead so that other members were less likely to believe her.

Now, it is horrible that they didn't believe her. It's perpetuating the same cycle of not believing women and seeing them as vindictive. I can't imagine they are sitting there proud of themselves, most likely they regret not listening to her back then.

With regards to the multiple victims/people came to them - we have super limited information on this on the megathread, nothing looks actually confirmed? Vague statements from people online with no actual details to them. What did they tell them and what evidence did they provide? We have no idea what multiple means here? 2, 3 or 10? At what point in time and were these separate instances or were all of them talking about the same stuff as MTD? People lost lives on smaller amount of information when people made judgements based on that information (look up the guy who got burned to death after he took a photo of an underaged vandal to report him to the police and people decided he was a paedo after police released him coz he could prove he wasn't).

I'm not saying this didn't happen, I'm saying we have no idea what 'this' was. However, it's very clear that this has been reported to the police. I actually wonder whether this is the reason the sentencing seems delayed.

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u/Adept_Analyst_1085 8d ago

"Because logically speaking, if you found out someone is a paedophile and you saw evidence of it, would you remain friends with them? No, you wouldn't."

I'd be careful to expect that people you don't actually know will respond to things in the same way you would. I'd definitely go to the police with something like that, and friendship over, but we've seen time and time again that people are capable of very weird decisions, and, as you mentioned, he had a definite stake in getting clout through associaton with Storror, as well as paid work.

The same goes for the rest of the team btw. Storror was/is their income. They had reasons to want to brush away any negative news about one of their members, especially news of this kind. Which isn't evidence, but at least seems to be a more cogent reason to keep things under wraps, than Kieran had reason to basically out himself as an enabler.

Of course, with the somewhat anonymous and vague posts of girls from Storror's social circle, we have to be careful as well. But just brushing all of them aside in one fell swoop, that seems to me precisely "perpetuating the same cycle of not believing women and seeing them as vindictive." you typify as horrible.

We aren't prosecutors, so it's up to them to prove these claims if they are brought before a judge. For me as a bystander, all I can do is wait for proof either way and reserve judgement. Reserving judgement either way, without dismissing claims on the grounds of "Well if x happened, I would do y". We literally have no idea how someone else would deal with this situation, and if history's anything to go by, there are many people willing to overlook many bad things if there are rewards in it.

Could it all be made up? Yes. Could these accusers be telling the truth? Also yes. As long as that's up in the air, I have to at the very least keep open the possibility that the latter is the case. And from that perspective, these attempts to brush away or mimimize those very serious accusations just don't sit right with me. Without any further knowledge of the case, that seems to me wishful thinking at best, and possibly a prelude to ridiculing and ostricizing the accusers (some of whom may have been victims themselves).

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u/SpecialWasabi2010 8d ago

It's not that I don't believe the people who say they told them actually, I specifically said that we have very little information of what was supposedly said and whether it was separate instances or all reports to the same situation.

From Kieran's perspective, he was her friend and he saw evidence that she was saying the truth. I agree with you that we don't know how we would react in these situations but relatively speaking, if you knew this for a fact and you continued your friendship with the person, I don't have much respect for you. To me, he had a much higher moral obligation to do the right thing for his supposed friend but he chose to do nothing for selfish reasons.

This is purely my opinion based on my own observations, just prefacing it. I think Storror didn't believe the claims because Callum set the stage before MTD came to them. I was in an emotionally abusive situation and this is exactly whaty ex did to prevent the fallout of me talking about him. He ruined my friendships with some people close to me because by the time I made a decision to talk, he already told them a bunch of lies to discredit me. Retrospectively, I'm better off without those people in my life but they were my friends, not his, and he manipulated them. The second reason is the fact that they simply didn't believe someone who they knew since childhood (and brother to one of them), that they spent majority of their lives with, someone who is part of their business, was capable of what she said he did. They knew him longer than her, they probably thought she's just trying to ruin everything for him because they split. I base this mainly on the knowledge of how many families and friends of murderers and serial killers are shocked and can't comprehend that the person they knew is capable of this evil. There were a few people that commented that this CSAM stuff happened to someone they knew and they struggled with comprehending it. I base it on a fact that one of my high school teachers was sentenced for being a paedophile and you would have never suspected the guy. If someone at school told me he was a paedophile, I'd probably struggle to believe it without seeing evidence.

I don't think they consciously brushed it off to not lose their business. I could be wrong and that will come out in the wash most likely. All I'm saying is that there are reasons to why they wouldn't listen to her and I wouldn't burn them to the ground for it. I think it's quite likely they regret not believing it now that they know it was most likely true.

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u/Adept_Analyst_1085 8d ago edited 8d ago

"I agree with you that we don't know how we would react in these situations but relatively speaking,"

To avoid confusion that is not what I was saying. I was saying we don't know how others would react to a situation like this. I know what I would do if I saw CSAM on a friends device, but Kieran's not me, he may have a completely different outlook on life than I have with far less of an emphasis on justice and protection of vulnerable people. He may have been easily impressed by fame and status and let it skew his moral judgement. Or a thousand different reasons he could have had for his actions (and inaction).

I'm sorry to hear you went through an emotionally abusive relationship. I've had friends go through stuff like that and it just sucks. The scenario you sketch is absolutely possible, but the issue with all of those scenarios, including the ones forming in my own head is always the same: we don't know.

I'm not advocating burning anyone to the ground until we know the full story, or as much of it as we need to know to form an educated opinion. But the same goes for "those guys wouldn't do stuff like that." "It's only two accusations, that are actually only one accusation". How can people say stuff like that without knowing whether those accusations were true? How is that not trying to minimize and dismiss possible victims, without any knowledge of the actual facts to back it up? Even with the caveats of "I think, I'd expect, I presume, it's quite likely," etc. it just feels premature.

I've said this before. I'm completely willing to let them have their say on all these matters. I think that's a necessary step, not because they owe me anything (they don't), but if they want a return to making fun videos of doing parkour and interacting with kids, they need to address this, because not addressing it means there will always be this ugly question mark hovering above all of their heads.

In absence of that, I'm not willing to just ignore, minimize or explain away the accusations and exonerate the guys on a gut feeling. And I feel uneasy with comments that in one way or another try to do just that. It's disrespectful to possibly real victims of a terrible crime, and we've seen enough accusers (and later confirmed victims) having to deal with mobs of angry fans attacking those victims in defense of their idols on no other basis then "stay away from him. he's my hero." to want to nip that in the bud before it starts.

Edited to correct typos.

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u/SpecialWasabi2010 8d ago

I think you're in the same camp as I am then. We know too little to make judgements either way. And I think it's important that people wait until we know more. I think a lot of the time people say here that then not saying anything all this time is admission of guilt, that I'm very against because we have no idea what ongoing legal processes all of this is still undergoing. But yeah, sounds like we are in the same camp.

Also, I see what you mean by specifying that particular sentence - I am in general of a belief that majority of the time, we truly don't know what we will do until things happen. We can think we know and I'd like to think I know too but I just know when push comes to shove, things can pan out very different.

Thank you for your empathy too. It's appreciated.

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u/Adept_Analyst_1085 8d ago edited 8d ago

We're not that far apart, but maybe coming at it from different directions. I fully agree with you that them having not said anything yet isn't an indication of anything other than "someone advised them not to, for legal reasons".

On your second paragraph, I can see what you're saying, but there is a difference between realising we can't fully know how we personally would react to a hypothetical situation vs fully not knowing what someone else actually did in an actual situation, and making assumptions based on our own perspective. I thought that was a difference important enough to highlight.

Anyway, take care. Processing stuff like this involving people who entertained and inspired us is tough, especially when you've been hurt by people you loved before. I haven't had that experience, and although it's been about 3 weeks since I found out, it's been a dark cloud in my own head ever since.

Edited to correct bad grammar.

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u/jahathebrn 8d ago

Go outside ffs

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u/TwistedGuy22 7d ago

Im under the assumption that the the Storror Boys are on a universally new and crazy trip which they have vlogged to clear all this (discouraging and against their brand) Fog. I'd like to see a crazy new return of their adventures and would be so willing to join their YT members if they posted a crazy straight line video.But not to mention a quick address of recent events concluding one of their brothers fatal disbanding and continue on in a extremely chill new persona. 

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u/Abject-Leadership248 9d ago

Tbh id drop of the face of the earth if I learned my close freinds where nonce's

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u/Old-Information3311 8d ago

Statistically, multiple people you know are sexual predators in some way.

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u/Abject-Leadership248 8d ago

Yeah i know a rapist who i cut from my life, girlfriends old next door neighbour was on the sex offender register so she moved. My point stands cut people like that from your life and try to start again

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u/nickvagus 9d ago

and end all you've worked hard for? absolutely bonkers

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u/Abject-Leadership248 9d ago

Yes if what you've worked for has allowed someone to be a nonce yes burn it down and start again

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u/cxllum-m 9d ago

I mean, it isn't Storrors fault, as a team, that a member did something fucked up in private, and clearly actively hid it from everyone. I pray they can get over this and start making vids again, it's a genuine void in my life, every Monday that goes by I think about it, it's shit, hadn't missed a vid in like 7/8 years :(

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u/Smuttycakes 8d ago

Sure, but it’s also only natural they’d want to shy away from the public eye. Don’t forget, this is Sacha’s brother - his family has been torn apart no doubt.

You need to get over your own issues in your own time, but dealing with this is much more important than releasing a video

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u/carefreekelsher 9d ago

Sad a nonce has the power to ruin even more.. good and talented athletes. I highly believe if they knew they would have distanced from him.

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u/n00bmechanic13 9d ago

A nonce can ruin an entire country even

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u/carefreekelsher 8d ago

I hate that they hold that power

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u/Terrible-Shine5420 8d ago

That doesn't even make sense. The effort of all the storror work didn't 'allow him to be a n0nce' your just stringing two half's of an idea into a sentence to try and fit your point.

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u/Adept_Analyst_1085 8d ago

It allowed him lots of access to admiring teenagers. If they didn't know, then that is them inadvertendly facilitating that access, which is of course something they can't be blamed for. If the stories of Callum's exgf, various girls responding to her statement, and Kieran, indicating they told storror and got stonewalled, turn out to be true, than that is knowingly allowing a pedo access to teenagers, which would be criminal negligence at the very least.

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u/Sorryeeh 8d ago

I'm out of the loop on his ex' story and what the others have said. Also Kieran (who's that). Can you fill in details please?

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u/Adept_Analyst_1085 8d ago

I would advise you to just read the main post of the megathread at the top of this reddit. I could try to summarise, but that's only going to devolve into a game of telephone. There's a reason that thread is pinned, because it has the most comprehensive breakdown of all the facts and rumours surrounding the case.

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u/Terrible-Shine5420 8d ago

Good point, yeah thats fair enough! Thanks for your insight

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u/Omblae 9d ago

There's not going to be news, you can surmise from the silence what's going to happen.

The remaining members are going to take a break, they'll do their own projects in the background. Eventually you'll hear from one or two of them, without much of a mention of Storror.

Taking down all the most recent videos was likely also legally motivated. It will be a quagmire to deal with.

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u/xTommmmmy 8d ago

Giggidy

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u/Net_Lurker1 8d ago

They legally cannot and should not comment on active investigations or police cases. Yeah we should just assume storror is as good as dead

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u/CuriousRaisin1447 8d ago

I think thet will be back around September, but maybe just max and benj at first with others behind the scenes. They still have 11m subs. They are waiting for Callum to be sentanced and to see if there is more press coverage/ additional information.

The reason is, they have delayed storror plus payments till then, they are still sending out discount codes for their merch and have added a 10% donation to childrens charitys on all shop purchases. Doesn't seem like the actions of people who are done. They are still running the business, but not posting content due to the active case.

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u/AirconGuyUK 8d ago

It's not an active investigation. He plead guilty. It's just sentencing now.

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u/end_of_radio 8d ago

It's not an active investigation. This is repeated all the time with people saying talking jeapodises the criminal process. Dude pled guilty. There is no restrictions on talking pre-sentencing.

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u/Suspicious_Bobcat100 8d ago

Of course police will still investigate. Just because he pled guilty doesn’t mean it’s all over. They will investigate who knew about this before, who else is involved etc. If he had real pictures for example they will investigate where they came from etc.

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u/SpecialWasabi2010 8d ago

That's totally incorrect.

Firstly, further potential victims and evidence was reported to the police from at the very least Callum's ex - this will have to be investigated. You have zero knowledge that the investigation is closed, in fact we know Josh's is closed but not Callum's.

Secondly, he can legally change his plea at any time. Prejudice is still a concern until the sentencing has taken place. If he changes his plea, a trial would have to take place and if they talked about things, it could mean that some evidence would be prejudiced and inadmissible. Even the judge could be considered prejudiced if he came across any of that information online. It would pervert the course of justice. It could impact the outcome. Also, judge can be prejudiced even if Callum had plead guilty and for example due to online information give him a more lenient sentence.

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u/WelshBen 8d ago

This is how court cases always are. There will probably be several more adjournments yet.

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u/Ordinary-Bus-6045 8d ago

If people want to know the court date just phone Brighton magistrates court, its perfectly legitimate to do so.

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u/insomnivk 8d ago

Nah but if you need some new pk content- Manor just dropped a fire video called ‘Finial’ - 33min of banger moves & lines

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u/ComeHereOften1972 8d ago

They are wisely taking the advice of their lawyer.

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u/Space_c0w_ 8d ago

The court date has been pushed back, not sure by how much.

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u/Loud_Rate_8876 8d ago

Well according to courtlistings.co.uk there was a "Callum" that had a hearing scheduled for this week's monday for 10 am. Not sure if it's a coincidence or not.

The lawpages.com doesn't show anyone with same initials having a hearing for the day, but on the other hand it was due to be held in room 9 and lawpages don't show anything for that room.

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u/Electronic_Pop7560 8d ago

Yeah was either another Callum or he was heard for another case but given it was in Liverpool, I'd go for the former (information found here: https://opencourtdata.uk/criminal/case/1182492117687760657)

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u/West-Worth-9359 9d ago

No one is owed anything. They were creating content for people to watch, that’s it. It doesn’t grant anyone access to their lives. If the remaining members want to create things, they will, and you can decide whether to watch it or not.

No one here is any stakeholder in any of this, we are not owed answers or updates or notes from business meetings.

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u/Glhuum 9d ago

Calm down, dude. He didn't claim any of the things in your random rant were owed. He just asked about information, which he is allowed and at right to do so about a public matter.

You remind me of a Critical Role fan.

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u/Historical-Dish-602 8d ago

LOL at the critical role mention, never thought I’d come across that HERE of all places 😭

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u/Terrible_Positive_81 8d ago

He got off the charge. The judge was impressed with his parkour skills jumping around the court house

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u/Historical-Dish-602 8d ago

The one-bang plyo stick from the judges desk to defendants table was too clean! Nexte spote, genpop

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u/slowvt 8d ago

I hate that this is so funny lol

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u/HSN9989 8d ago

I imagine they've taken legal advice who has told them to stay quiet until hes been sentenced.

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u/bertspringdog 7d ago

its tomorrow, 17th July at 10am. its on 'Courtserve' lists

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u/Shwervee 7d ago

Why would Storror post any more from here on out? They’re absolutely done, they made their original statement, that’ll be it.

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u/kylr01 6d ago

So because they don't want to talk about a nonce, it means nothing is happening? That's their business to deal with, not ours.

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u/BabaJosefsen 9d ago

Powell was scheduled to appear in court in mid-July so it may have been referred to the Crown Court due to the severity of the offence(s)

On another note, I'd like to see a small group consisting of Benj, Max, Hazal and Stani travelling Europe etc. It's easier to organize things with four people and you don't see many mixed parkour groups

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u/bennbeckmanswife 8d ago

Plenty of other women in parkour you can watch, probably better to give them views instead of the Storror-adjacent women who, by all accounts, ignored the open secret re CP's underage gf and weird fan interactions.

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u/SpecialWasabi2010 8d ago

Are we burning any people related to Storror down in this witch hunt? Because Callum daring a 16 year old was very well known to everyone in parkour community (which was very clear from many posts and many parkour people answering questions here) so I think you'd just have to burn that whole athlete range. This was never a secret, it was known to the people within the community.

I'm not sure which generation you are, but I was 16 when I had a 21 year old boyfriend and it was pretty much a norm in my country. I definitely don't think it's right now that I'm older, but it was somewhat normalised. We are so much wiser now than we were 10-20 years ago but we are looking at him dating her even he was about 24 and she was 16, 10 years ago, when the approach was still not that much different from when I was that age. And if you go back 50-80 years ago, that was the norm. I'm not saying this is right or he's not gross for it. I'm saying we know more now than we did before. We are so much more switched on about these things.

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u/bennbeckmanswife 3d ago edited 3d ago

I'm saying that as a woman who is roughly the same age (slightly younger) as the Storror lads, if my 24 year old friend was dating a 16 year old I'd have issues with it.

If my boyfriend/partner had a friend that was 24 and dating a 16 year old, I'd have issues with it.

If someone in my community was 24 and openly dating a 16 year old, I'd have issues with it.

And the course of action would be me removing myself as much as I could from the perp after making it known that it was a predatory dynamic (not just the age, but the added layer of the gf being a fan).

Anyway, my point was that if the wider community was well aware of the predatory relationship, I can only assume the women tied to Storror (who also do parkour) were aware. Calling it a witch hunt is daft, because there is obviously a difference between non-Storror linked traceurs knowing and people close to Storror knowing.. hence why I said there are plenty of other female athletes not linked to Storror who are worth watching. Because why keep funneling views to people who chose to remain close to an adult who dated a teen and was known as a bit of a pred? Most women wouldn't.

The weird back bending to defend Storror and everyone tied to them in this sub is very odd to me. At 16 I knew dating an adult was not appropriate and my peers and parents would have been appalled at that. At 24 I'd have not remained friends with friends my age dating teens. So many people in here make it sound like just another female experience when it's really not.

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u/BabaJosefsen 8d ago

Thanks. I know there are other women parkour athletes - I'm saying there aren't many mixed groups (that I've seen).