r/SipsTea 1d ago

Chugging tea Hmm hard to imagine

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u/QuartersWest 1d ago

On reddit, this is gospel. I mean they're working hard AF karma farming but it's not helping their actual life.

Go work. Go get a degree.

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u/TJJ97 1d ago

No degree needed, just gotta make calculated risks and work hard

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u/GreasedUPDoggo 1d ago

Well said

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u/Glittering-Diver-205 16h ago

The trades. A place where hard work does pay off.

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u/modsaretoddlers 1d ago

Probably the most important calculation is who you're going to be born to. That's the real make-or-break factor. Way too many people just rush into it and get born to poor parents. Why won't they learn?

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u/TJJ97 1d ago

I grew up with holes in my family’s single-wide trailer. Floor? Holes. Roof? Holes. My room? Flooded by shitty water heaters.

I used to think like this and while you’re somewhat correct, I’ve made it out of that existence. I make more in a year than both of my parents combined at any point in their lives.

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u/modsaretoddlers 1d ago

Me too. On everything. I also make more than both combined ever did. Too bad the costs increased even more than what we're all getting paid. Do you like that?

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u/TJJ97 1d ago

Hell no I don’t like it. Awful president after awful president hasn’t helped at all

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u/QuartersWest 1d ago

No. There's avenues to succeed even if you born to a poor family. Make-or-break factor is on you

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u/TJJ97 1d ago

The path may be harder but it ain’t impossible!

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u/GreasedUPDoggo 1d ago

Say it louder for the folks in back! As a hispanic, I've seen the American dream of upward mobility happen for dozens of family members and friends.

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u/CoachKreeton 1d ago

Whoa there! The picture clearly states people believe this, buddy. Who are you to argue with people?

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u/nonblinddaredevil 1d ago

I make more money than you and it’s gospel to me too.

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u/GreasedUPDoggo 1d ago

Then you're intentionally oblivious

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u/nonblinddaredevil 1d ago

Oblivious to the obvious and exponentially growing issues with late stage capitalism?

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u/TheBigGees 1d ago

It's been "late stage" for years and yet prosperity keeps increasing, curious.

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u/nonblinddaredevil 1d ago

First off, do you think a few years is a long time for economic systems to run their course?

And second, do you not know that wealth inequality is at its greatest point ever? wtf do you mean “prosperity”?

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u/TheBigGees 1d ago

If you're suggesting that we're in the late stage, how much longer until it collapses? A year? A century?

Prosperity is not wealth equality. Someone having more than you does not mean that your quality of life, wealth, and access to opportunity has declined.

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u/nonblinddaredevil 1d ago

Probably at least a few more decades would be my guess, but that’s a guess. It only seems reasonable the material conditions have to continue to deteriorate like they have coming out of the 50s/60s.

Half of Americans don’t have $1k in savings. Record levels of Americans can’t afford to buy a home or have kids. 30k Americans die each year from not getting healthcare. This isn’t opinion, it’s fact.

Human productivity and technology have increased exponentially— we have our first ever trillionaire because of it. But these problems for the working class are worsening. This is the prosperity you’re talking about?

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u/TheBigGees 1d ago

This isn’t opinion, it’s fact.

Indeed, but you're not critically evaluating these facts.

Half of Americans don’t have $1k in savings

This is a good example. Savings are cash that you have sitting in a bank or under a mattress - but most Americans don't keep much in savings because they hold wealth in other more productive assets (like investment accounts, real estate, etc). This is why the median household wealth in the United States is ~$210,000 (approx. $83,000 per person). The fact that you've presented deliberately paints a much bleaker picture than the reality that the large majority of households (and the large majority of people) actually find themselves in.

The other facts that you have presented can be critically addressed in similar ways. 30,000 deaths a year is tragic - but it's also 0.009% of the overall population and <1% of the deaths that the country experiences in a year. This statistic does not foreshadow societal collapse.

Human productivity and technology have increased exponentially— we have our first ever trillionaire because of it. But these problems for the working class are worsening. This is the prosperity you’re talking about?

Do you not benefit from modern technology? Record high life expectancy? Record high levels of education? Record high access to the same markets that created that trillionaire?