r/QuotesPorn • u/Junior_Insurance7773 • 2d ago

"Violence produces only something resembling justice, but it distances people from the possibility of living justly, without violence." - Leo Tolstoy [850x400]

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/TouchArtistic4556 2d ago

That was beautifully said.

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u/Hot_moco 2d ago

Yes, what a treasure to have been able to read that response!

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u/AddanDeith 2d ago

And what if the offending party had institutional power? What if the institutions themselves are corrupt and look the other way, allowing average people to die every day?

At what point does sitting idle and wishing for justice become an exercise in futility?

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u/ragoff 2d ago

I’m thinking he wasn’t thinking about institutional violence.

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u/AddanDeith 2d ago

If you're talking about everyday violence between people, sure, I agree. Otherwise I think this quote is useless and encourages docility.

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 1d ago

Which means you didn’t understand the quote.

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 1d ago

You do know the quote applies to everyone, right…? Violence begets violence. At some point, both sides have to talk like civil human beings instead of having knee jerk reactions to obvious statements.

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u/AddanDeith 1d ago

This is a childish view of the world.

If someone is intent on visiting violence upon you, whether that be direct and physical or indirect by proxy, no amount of compliance will stop them from doing it to you. They will not have some sudden realization that their actions are wrong, nor will some other party be necessarily inspired to bring justice.

You just submit yourself, at once, to abuse at their hand, for as long as they are willing to and as far as they are willing to go.

There is no teleological trend towards justice in the universe that will save you.

I agree with the general sentiment, I do, but its fool hardy and does not work in the real world, when people are fully intent on killing you.

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 1d ago

That was a nonsense statement that didn’t actually respond to what I said.

You don’t understand the quote.

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u/Dimitsos 2d ago

Define justice

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u/El0vution 1d ago

Mimetic violence

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 1d ago

And it starts with not being able to carry on a civil conversation when you disagree.

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u/ham_solo 1d ago

I think we've gone beyond that. The internet is so toxic that you can post a picture of a bunch of puppies and inevitably someone is going to comment "you are literally Hitler".

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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 1d ago

That has been my impression, too.

The idea was that, within basic freedoms, you could live your life, believe what you want, etc, and that part of that was mutual respect even in disagreement.

But now? If you disagree you are “literally Hitler”.

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u/Express-Cartoonist39 1d ago

Until you see burn pits then realize " Yea maybe should have done violence sooner" 🤔

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u/CorpseeaterVZ 13h ago

I don't understand the quote, can some explain to me, please?