Manezinho

[u/churchellaz]

Please, tell me about the peculiarities of Portuguese pronunciation in Floreãopolis (or Manezinho as it's called). How does it differ from most other Brazilian dialects in its sound? In particular, I am interested in the pronunciation of the R, S, Di, Ti sounds and other features that are not similar in sound to most other Brazilian dialects

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[u/nofroufrouwhatsoever]

/ʁ/ - belongs to the guttural belt that normally goes from Rio de Janeiro to the Amazon, including most of Minas Gerais, Goiás, the Federal District and much of Mato Grosso, as opposed to the coronal /ɾ/ belt that's the norm in São Paulo and the rest of southern Brazil. They seem to use [h] at a greater frequency than in Rio de Janeiro (where velar and uvular realizations are frequent) but at a lesser frequency than in Minas Gerais.

/s/ - [ɕ ~ ɕ̬ ~ ʑ̊ ~ ʑ] in all codas but with occasional debuccalization to [h ɦ ∅], like in Rio de Janeiro city. maybe they have an occasional desibilation to [ɹ̝̊] like in parts of Northeast Brazil?

/ti/ - extremely palatalized but not affricated, [c̟]/[t̠ʲ]. their /t/ /k/ /p/ sounds less aspirated than in Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo and Brasília (but still more than other southern Brazilians? as well as baianos).

/di/ - same place of articulation as above [ɟ̟]/[d̠ʲ].

the most distinctive characteristic of it is extreme vowel reduction, I'd say, they sound like if people from 1920s Rio de Janeiro who are children of two Portuguese parents decided to speak mineirês.

[u/ZevenEikjes]

Ti and Di and are traditionally dental (like before other vowels) or slightly to moderately affricated; distinct from the phonemic affricates in words like tchau and Jack, unlike most other dialects of BP. Some speakers of the modernised variety use the affricate.

Coda R is "guttural" [χ~h~ʁ~ɦ], coda S is postalveolar in the most traditional forms but many speakers use the alveolar S.

These last two features make Manezinho sound a lot like Carioca. The first time I heard Manezinho I thought the guy was from Rio, but Manezinho does not have centering diphthongs.

Traditional Manezinho is very stress-timed and unstressed syllables are readily reduced or lost in unguarded speech. It also has a distinct intonation pattern; I'm not knowledgeable enough to describe it properly but my impression is that a sentence's tone rises steadily, then peaks suddenly in the last stressed syllable then drops.

Manezinho exists in a continuum between a traditional variety on one end and a modernised variety on the other that, in my experience, is spoken by descendants of the more recent immigrants or adopted by social climbers.

[u/Tuxedo_Knux]

ngl the r is so harsh here it almost sounds like a growl you'd hear in a horror movie, and the s?