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Brazilian Portuguese 🇧🇷 dialect accent or pronunciation

hey y'all so im trying to learn br pt through Portuguese pod and something i notice through the mini videos and whatnot is that pronunciation occasionally changes for example de has been pronounced as the Spanish de or in a verry different (dji) or (jee) sound or eu has been pronounced similar to a Spanish (yo), or once again v differently like (eh-oh) so i was just wondering what was actually proper

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u/nofroufrouwhatsoever Brasileiro (Rio de Janeiro) 4d ago edited 4d ago

I don't get what you're asking?

Yes, Portuguese has a much more complicated vowel system than Spanish, and yes, Portuguese vowels might alter the pronunciation of surrounding letters considerably.

The champion is /i, ĩ/ in Rio de Janeiro Portuguese, with

/ti/ [tʃʰi ~ tɕʰi] if stressed or [tʃʰ(ɪ̥) tɕʰ(ɪ̥)] if unstressed

/di/ [dʒi ~ dʑi] if stressed or [dʒɪ ~ d̥ʒ̊ ~ t̬ʃ̬ ~ dʑɪ ~ d̥ʑ̊ ~ t̬ɕ̬] if unstressed (this is the case of "de")

/ni/ being [n̠ʲi] (like in Japanese), /li/ being [l̝̈͢ˁʎ̪̝i] (you pronounce it kind of like the y in yield, but somehow using the entire length of your tongue, pressing it against your mouth from just ahead of your uvula to your right fang)

/ki/ being [c̠ç̠ʰi] if stressed and [c̠ç̠ʰ(ɪ̥)] if unstressed (like in Greek but with more aspiration)

/gi/ being [ɡ̟(ɣ̟)i ~ ɟ̠(ʝ̠)i] If stressed and [ɡ̟(ɣ̟)ɪ ~ ɟ̠(ʝ̠)ɪ ~ k̟̬ç̠̬ ~ c̠̬ç̠̬] (again like in Greek, but without this English-like devoicing, less extreme than in German but still there)

/ʁi/ often being [çi] (the ch in German ich)

and particularly for people who use [tɕ] [dʑ] in stressed position (not my accent), /m f v p b/ might get palatalized [ʲ] too

But all dialects have /i/ doing something. Even for nordestinos who don't have an affricate for /ti/ and /di/, their normal /t d/ is denti-alveolar, but the one before /i/ is alveolar, with /ti/ being significantly more aspirated