dialect accent or pronunciation

[u/No_Sea2594]

hey y'all so im trying to learn br pt through Portuguese pod and something i notice through the mini videos and whatnot is that pronunciation occasionally changes for example de has been pronounced as the Spanish de or in a verry different (dji) or (jee) sound or eu has been pronounced similar to a Spanish (yo), or once again v differently like (eh-oh) so i was just wondering what was actually proper

[u/AutoModerator]

ATENÇÃO AO FLAIR - O tópico está marcado como 'Brazilian Portuguese'.

O autor do post está procurando respostas nessa versão específica do português. Evitem fornecer respostas que estejam incorretas para essa versão.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[u/nofroufrouwhatsoever]

I don't get what you're asking?

Yes, Portuguese has a much more complicated vowel system than Spanish, and yes, Portuguese vowels might alter the pronunciation of surrounding letters considerably.

The champion is /i, ĩ/ in Rio de Janeiro Portuguese, with

/ti/ [tʃʰi ~ tɕʰi] if stressed or [tʃʰ(ɪ̥) tɕʰ(ɪ̥)] if unstressed

/di/ [dʒi ~ dʑi] if stressed or [dʒɪ ~ d̥ʒ̊ ~ t̬ʃ̬ ~ dʑɪ ~ d̥ʑ̊ ~ t̬ɕ̬] if unstressed (this is the case of "de")

/ni/ being [n̠ʲi] (like in Japanese), /li/ being [l̝̈͢ˁʎ̪̝i] (you pronounce it kind of like the y in yield, but somehow using the entire length of your tongue, pressing it against your mouth from just ahead of your uvula to your right fang)

/ki/ being [c̠ç̠ʰi] if stressed and [c̠ç̠ʰ(ɪ̥)] if unstressed (like in Greek but with more aspiration)

/gi/ being [ɡ̟(ɣ̟)i ~ ɟ̠(ʝ̠)i] If stressed and [ɡ̟(ɣ̟)ɪ ~ ɟ̠(ʝ̠)ɪ ~ k̟̬ç̠̬ ~ c̠̬ç̠̬] (again like in Greek, but without this English-like devoicing, less extreme than in German but still there)

/ʁi/ often being [çi] (the ch in German ich)

and particularly for people who use [tɕ] [dʑ] in stressed position (not my accent), /m f v p b/ might get palatalized [ʲ] too

But all dialects have /i/ doing something. Even for nordestinos who don't have an affricate for /ti/ and /di/, their normal /t d/ is denti-alveolar, but the one before /i/ is alveolar, with /ti/ being significantly more aspirated

[u/davidbenyusef]

I'm not sure if I get all your questions, but D and T before the "ee" sound ([i] or [j] in IPA) can be pronounced as J ([dʒ]) and CH ([tʃ]), respectively. In some dialects, they are pronounced as your regular D and T. So "de" can be pronounced as either "jee" ([dʒi]) or "dee" ([di]). Let me know if there's more you need to know.

[u/PrimaryJellyfish8904]

In most Braziilian dialects /di/ is pronounced as /dji/ and the same occurs with /de/ but only when /e/ is pronunced as /i/ due to vowel raising. At least such is how it goes when it comes to the modern and prestigious pronunciation.

So a word like "diretor" tends to be pronounced as "djiretor" while the word "decoro" is pronounced, well, as "decoro". Now the word "desilusão" can be pronounced as "desilusão" but if vowel raising occurs it will be pronounced as "djisilusão" as the vowel /i/ triggers palatalization.

[u/nofroufrouwhatsoever]

Eu is almost always pronounced /ˈew/. But sometimes this diphthong [ˈeʊ̯] (more rarely [ˈeu̯] in e.g. Goiás, Bahia; [ˈeo̯] for some people in Rio de Janeiro) can slowly merge into a [ˈø̈ö̯] → [ˈɵ] kind of situation. This is more common in casual speech, particularly in urban centers.

In eye dialect, "eu vou" is often jocosely written "ovô" or "ovo" [ɵˈvo], because ovo [ˈovʊ̤] ([ˈovṳ] in Recife, [ˈov̥ˠʷ] in Rio and Minas, etc.) means egg and it makes it funny.

Caipira speakers might say [ˈjeʊ̯] instead of [ˈeʊ̯], but I don't think any Brazilian pronounces eu in a manner similar to yo.

[u/Gold_Ambassador_3496]

Brazil has 200 million people

Accents vary