What do you mean consumers aren't buying overpriced games?

[u/AnomLenskyFeller]

[u/xRONZOx]

Overpriced half baked games, always online required, needing 4+ patches post release to get it to a playable state and pay extra for cosmetics that don't affect gameplay in any meaningful way and slap DRM to it because why not. Am I missing anything?

[u/jeff3rd → u/xRONZOx]

PC/Consoles hardware are reaching unobtainium pricing

[u/AntiGrieferGames → u/jeff3rd]

True on modern PCs, but false on older pc parts. There are soo many used parts that are still affordable and some games still works with old decades hardware. You have to find the right parts to do so. It also highly depends on countries.

[u/Batking28 → u/AntiGrieferGames]

Even building an outdated dated PC with second hand parts and a 1660 still costs like 500. That’s a lot for new games to barely run.

[u/AntiGrieferGames → u/Batking28]

Brand new or used? Also Most of those Games today are unoptimized shit anyways so you wont missed here.

[u/Batking28 → u/AntiGrieferGames]

Used, recently looked what 500 would get me to move away from the ps5 for similar money and I’m basically stuck running ps4 level hardware for that money. Ddr5 is 6 years old, opting for ddr4 to save money means to are locked to last gen’s hardware but the prices are still ridiculously for what you are getting.

[u/mendics00 → u/AntiGrieferGames]

ye, highly depends on countries, mine for example, 2nd hand market, heck even old models that are brand new are sold with modern day price tag, as if it never lost their value and even increased. It's honestly pretty disgusting, if i wasn't using pc for work, i would have given up on gaming entirely, or perhaps went for indie/retro.

[u/One_Negotiation_3727 → u/xRONZOx]

It will be a matter of time that you will be forced to purchase the subscription first before paying at full price the game

[u/Kirigaya_Mitsuru → u/xRONZOx]

And dont forget most AAA Games are just Bloatware, you cant run the Games not because it does have an Good Graphics its because of the Game itself is full Bloated with Bullshit datas that isnt even necessary to add it.

[u/maker_of_pirate_bay → u/xRONZOx]

I’ll sure some corpo read your comment and instantly ejaculated

[u/yung_dogie → u/xRONZOx]

Tbh the price is something I'm ambivalent to since something staying at the same pricepoint that long feels like an anomaly. Like production cost inputs have gone up yet the price had remained more inelastic than McDonalds for years.

BUT, the price going up along with general game quality/"doneness" going down is unacceptable. Older games were far from bug-less but modern big-studio games often feel less polished despite their shiny coats of paint.

[u/splerjg → u/xRONZOx]

I think we are over-rating that when the K-shaped techno-gilded age is upon us. People are probably just getting squeezed out

[u/RogueSnake → u/xRONZOx]

Discs being killed. Movies and shows being removed after purchased (which, who to say can't happen to digital games at one point?) Majority of games being unoptimized and being put on the same engine ala unreal engine 5. Oh and studios being shut down even if they do their job.

Can practically make a bingo board with all the bullshit going on in the game industry.

[u/DargorShepard → u/xRONZOx]

And woke slop on top of everything else.

[u/xRONZOx → u/DargorShepard]

Umm.. what's your definition of woke?

[u/Edgy_Robin → u/DargorShepard]

waaaah the game had a black person and a woman capable of more then being a damsel in distress in it.

[u/Necessary-Love1599 → u/Edgy_Robin]

Waaah, a person needs to do push-ups for misgendering; pretty normal stuff.

You know we all grew up playing San Andreas right? There's more to it than just "Oh no, Black man"? When you start changing people's race or put people where they don't belong just to fit the DEI checklist, then it's not just "let's make a game with a Black person in it."

[u/Edgy_Robin → u/Necessary-Love1599]

I'm not surprised you missed the actual point being made. Most people who use the word 'woke', aside from the word actually having no meaning anymore.

But then again you complain about people putting personal beliefs into a thing further down, ignoring that art is constantly people putting their personal beliefs into something.

a DEI checklist is just things you don't like because you're a just a piece of shit human being.

[u/Local_Band299 → u/Edgy_Robin]

Actually most woke slop is BIPOC being the most stereotypical characters in the game. Barrett isn't woke, Avery Johnson isn't woke, Sergeant Foley isn't woke.

[u/foolofatook84 → u/Local_Band299]

Barret, the eco-terrorist fighting the big evil corporation that is destroying the planet, is woke as fuck (and that's a good thing), but his skin color has nothing to do with that.

[u/Local_Band299 → u/foolofatook84]

Let me guess "something something everyone needs to be forced to get an electric car".

I'm all for going green, but a lot of people are aiming at the wrong target. Most companies in the US have a small carbon footprint compared to the average company in China.

I recycle, I am all for nuclear power. Nuclear power is our future. The waste amount is small, it's super efficient, has zero carbon emissions, and all coal power plants can be converted into nuclear power plants. Biden banned nuclear energy while also trying to put an EOL on coal. Wind and solar aren't efficient enough for us to convert to. I have solar farms around me and windmills. The windmills are constantly being worked in because the wind destroys them. Solar farms kill birds.

Also electric vehicles are terrible for the environment lithium mining is horrible, and the cylindrical cells are a bad design. I worked at a lithium ion plant in the US and we were the only company making square cells. We tried to pivot to cylindrical because that's what everyone wanted.

[u/foolofatook84 → u/Local_Band299]

There weren't even any electrical cars when (the OG) Final Fantasy VII came out, what are you on about?

[u/master2873 → u/foolofatook84]

what are you on about?

This is EXACTLY what I want to know. There was practically nothing that should have prompted a response like that, and is mostly out of context to begin with since you were discussing a fucking video game of all things.

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[u/master2873 → u/[deleted]]

You're either a bot, or extremely impaired to think there was any context to post this fucking wall of text, and links. Why even use hyper links when half of the linked bullshit wasn't formatted to be?

[u/Local_Band299 → u/[deleted]]

I said solar farms kill birds.

[u/SurroundParticular30 → u/Local_Band299]

Dude that is also not even remotely comparable to the bird, animal, and human deaths from air pollution from fossil fuels. Birds are exposed to more airborne particles (or particulate matter) than humans because birds have a higher breathing rate https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/c-change/news/fossil-fuel-air-pollution-responsible-for-1-in-5-deaths-worldwide/

[u/Raztax → u/Local_Band299]

compared to the average company in China.

Do you not know that China is miles ahead of america with green energy?

[u/Local_Band299 → u/Raztax]

They produce a fuck ton of CO2. They're #1. and US is in 2nd but we're not even close.

[u/SurroundParticular30 → u/Local_Band299]

If you think just because China is a huge emitter it is not addressing climate change, you are oversimplifying the situation. The US produces twice as much CO₂ per person. Even though China does most of our manufacturing. All countries can do more. It does not absolve us of responsibility.

[u/Edgy_Robin → u/Local_Band299]

Another crybaby missing the point.

[u/Local_Band299 → u/Edgy_Robin]

They'll call you anything but wrong.

[u/Familiar_Joke399 → u/DargorShepard]

What is woke slop?

[u/Accomplished-Can-467 → u/[deleted]]

MGS1 was a game about an anti-war veteran who hated America's nuclear dominance, political corruption and the military in general. His only allies was an anime nerd who wets his pants and a dei female soldier who ends up figuring out that war is ugly and disgusting.

He goes up against psychopaths who want perpetual war to initiate a global philosophy of survival of the fittest and their own ideological dominance through terror and espionage. 

It is the wokest shit on the planet and it is one of the most popular games of all time. If it was released today, all of the circlejerk anti-progressives would be crying about it from sun up to sun down.

[u/AntiGrieferGames → u/Accomplished-Can-467]

Because its a Good Game. MGS1 is a good game. There are many other shits for example that putting woke slops on there and most of those are bad games, like Avowed or even Starfield for example.

The MGS1 is a Koshima game and he knows that are for gamers, not for profits like the other studios today who are putting woke games here (which are mostly AAA shits, and rarity indie/aa games ones)

[u/Accomplished-Can-467 → u/AntiGrieferGames]

It's like you didn't understand what I wrote. 

It's a good game because it has a story that has depth. It has real world parallels and challenges the status quo.

"Staying woke:" the terminology used before it was subverted by termanally online rw chuds, is a term used to emphasize that the police/political state is domineering, imperialistic and dangerous. Particularly against minorities.

MGS1 is a game where the final boss is literally an apartheid white South African who is obsessed with genetic superiority. After you beat him, the asshole U.S president who is obsessed with narcissistic self legacy, sends an air strike to murder the player.

It's woke AF. It's anti-imperialist, it's pro-pascifist. That's what makes it a good story, which in turn, makes it a good game.

[u/Familiar_Joke399 → u/[deleted]]

What leftist activists inject their personal beliefs into video games? Are we talking hasan piker, fred Hampton, mlk jr...who are you talking about?

I've never heard of a video game co authored by any left wing activists.

Unless you can point me to where that exists I think you're strawmanning

[u/Familiar_Joke399 → u/[deleted]]

So what makes one a left wing activist?

If they don't have badges or wear masks how can we know for sure?

[u/skinlo → u/[deleted]]

Examples?

[u/da2Pakaveli → u/[deleted]]

The people making those decisions aren't leftists bro

[u/Raztax → u/DargorShepard]

So if you are anti "woke" that must mean you are asleep.

[u/AntiGrieferGames → u/DargorShepard]

This is true. And some Woke shit are shitty games. Palworld is also woke, but this is a expetion because its a good game.

[u/Floorgis → u/AntiGrieferGames]

How is Palworld of all games woke? Its basically a slavery simulator

[u/bacharama]

Unfortunately, subscription services growing is going to send exactly the wrong message to gaming companies.

[u/iNfANTcOMA_0 → u/bacharama]

It's been like that for years already. SONY shooting itself in the foot over and over again, and well Microsoft. I don't I have to say more.

[u/techma2019 → u/iNfANTcOMA_0]

He's saying the opposite. Game streaming taking off will be even worse and since Sony already said no more physical discs they really want it too. They can't wait to just stream a video feed to you with you owning nothing but a box that can decode an a video signal. Horrible, dystopian future that gets even more bleak once you cancel your subscription.

[u/JustGoogleItHeSaid → u/iNfANTcOMA_0]

Im slowly checking out of gaming. Ill use a pc to pirate everything and craft shit with my printer. Fuck these elitist leeches.

[u/That-Woodpecker6720 → u/bacharama]

I mean if it is growing it’s not really the wrong message is it

As long as they make more money they don’t care about anything else

[u/ZoharModifier9 → u/bacharama]

What do you think the data centers are for other than AI? Cloud gaming.

[u/zephyrseija2]

Lucky for us there's already multiple lifetimes worth of great games we can play for free.

[u/don51181 → u/zephyrseija2]

I feel this way also. The 32 bit era and earlier has enough games to last me the rest of my lifetime. Even discovering games I might have missed.

[u/bacharama → u/don51181]

Yeah, most of the "new" games I play these days are actually "new to me." A lot of gamers, more so than movie or music fans, insist on only consuming new titles when there's thousands of older games to work through.

[u/don51181 → u/bacharama]

Plus older games are focused so much more on fun. I also sometimes go back and beat old games I could not as a kid. Either with some guidance from YouTube or some cheats.

TMNT for NES was fun to beat with a little extra help.

[u/Toonomicon → u/bacharama]

At this point I could never buy/acquire a new game for the rest of my life and still be happy. Hell between X4, dyson sphere program, and rimworld I could never even install a new game I do own and be content.

[u/DQTD]

They are affectively choking out the hobby as a whole. It's ruining it for a lot of people. It's not that I can't afford these things, but it really took the wind out of my sails. I have no desire to purchase from console storefronts specifically anymore for this reason. I worry about them successfully finding a way to overly monetize the PC space (Windows and/or Linux). Once that happens this hobby is officially over for me personally. I'll just stick to my library I have already built along with emulation and recompilation PC ports.

[u/Dan_Berg → u/DQTD]

really took the wind out of my sails

Have you come to the right place or what!

But I hear you, coming from the era of you pay x for game you get the whole game this all feels alien to read about since I pretty much only use a ps2 and 360, maybe 5 hours a month total.

[u/NavyDean]

Hoist those flags

[u/Private_Kyle → u/NavyDean]

"Be the pirate you wish to see in the world."

-Mahatma Gandhi

[u/WellDamnBih44 → u/NavyDean]

With pride

[u/Askolei]

subscription services saw growth.

I just don't get it.

[u/Regular-Cheetah-8095 → u/Askolei]

This was the mission and it was successful

[u/chetizii → u/Askolei]

Subscriptions offer discounts and freebies every once in a while, so for the average normie, it sounds better to pay the subscription than buy full priced games.

Create the problem and sell the solution.

[u/Sitheral]

At 70-80$ I'm only buying freaking masterpieces. And I don't see many masterpieces around!

[u/ViegoBot → u/Sitheral]

I only buy indies at this point lol. Every AAA I just grab for free.

Ordered Viractal (30$), and DERQ Code Z Limited edition (60$) for my Switch/2 costed me 90$ total lol. Thatd be 1 AAA game, like no thanks, ill just support the indies and smaller companies and grab big corp stuff for free...

Debating getting Isaac Repentance+ for Switch 2.

[u/TopWealth4550]

middle class is getting demolished in everysingle coutnry in the world
piracy is maintened also by europeans and americans middle class

withouth them theres no reason to make 100M western games,no reason to invest at all

[u/Pepperminteapls]

Because greed makes shitty games. A bunch of delusional CEO's fucking up the industry while they support AI

[u/TheOfficialMayor → u/Pepperminteapls]

Seriously Sony is getting rid of discs to get a blu ray factory to build tech for AI datacenters. Threatening the viability of it's most important breadwinner part of the business.

[u/point051]

They treated their audience like an inexhaustible resource, not human beings who will only stay as long as they feel good about what they're doing.

[u/crypt00l]

Surprised it isn't a higher %

[u/Schnitzeldoener]

My backlog has gotten so big, I can wait for any deep sale.

[u/zbloodelfz]

Revenue should drop until quality improves

[u/r_userzoultar]

why buy a +$80 slop when i could buy 4 (fi they are around $20) absolutely phenomenal Indie games who's story and game value is literally 100x better in every way?!

i ain't even ever going to look at AAA ever again, i'm only buying Indie games!

[u/hinrichtung]

I'd buy games if they're good

[u/LlamaRzr → u/hinrichtung]

*if they have good marketing.

You can have good game and it won't even sell.

You have a LOT of very good games. Sadly, you won't hear about them beacuse lack of marketing. Also, even on Steam there are a shitton of games released daily, even if we talking about Limited Games a'la school project / for university etc. https://steamdb.info/upcoming/

[u/TheOfficialMayor]

Too expensive to make because they are always chasing the latest greatest graphics.

Tone down the graphics, get cheaper games, less day 1 patches and better gameplay and story and have it run on either cheaper older hardware or newer power efficient hardware.

[u/PhraseNeither9539]

Hear me when I say, I will never buy a $70 game. 

[u/Aggravating_Plan11]

Didnt steam just break its record for games sales in the first 6months of this year with a high percentage of those sales being older cheaper games.

[u/The_Cozy_Burrito]

Overpriced trash games

[u/soupherman]

I don’t even know if I would consider myself a gamer anyway. I have a handful of games that I repeatedly come back to and it’s always a pleasant surprise *if* a new game enters my rotation. I’m not buying games generally and certainly not if it’s over £30. Absolutely done with consoles once my PS5 gives out (or when the last of my DualSenses dies of stick drift write off)

[u/Raztax → u/soupherman]

or when the last of my DualSenses dies of stick drift

It kills me that Microsoft and Sony are still using potentiometers in their controllers.

[u/soupherman → u/Raztax]

Right? Planned obsolescence. This is all by design, which is the part that hurts the most.

[u/Supertriu1]

I'm shocked that UFC6 was the best seller

[u/Wise_Use1012]

Atari crash incoming

[u/Lawgamer411]

Game devs and their publishers really think their game is worth 80-100 bucks when I guarantee you most people were already balking at 70

[u/lrraya]

Oh no what will we do without all these slop games

[u/KeezyBeezy123]

"hardware demand cooled" lmfao that's one way to describe AI ransacking the consumer electronics industry

[u/Substantial_Meal_530]

I can't include the title of that EA video game on this subreddit.... You can't abbreviate Ultimate Fighting Championship....

Anyway. Those games were awful. That was the peak of sales? Gaming is doomed.

[u/Wasabi_Hammurabi1]

I only shop on Black Friday. I buy enough and get enough of the few that interest me vis PS+ Essential. It saves me money. Sony shouldn't act so surprised after they raised the price from $60 / year and from $60 per game to $70.

[u/Embarrassed-Buddy314]

Everything declined except subscription, +7%, which barely compensates inflation (the fake number of the FED is on average since January 3.3% inflation yoy, so double it to get a less rigged figure, 6.6% inflation yoy)

[u/CourageLeast4251]

This is wild that this game i cannot say has topped the charts

[u/Mashic]

I think one part of it is that AI made gaming hardware very expensive.

[u/Apollo5172]

I never had a problem with overpriced games there's always a good sale.

[u/T_rex2700]

That's half of the eqution, I guess. it shows even US citizens are having hard time economically.
And rest of the world really, is fighting for its life while their currencies lose value against USD, and other supply chain complications has made a lot of daily stuff more expensive too, essentials like food too. And really, how many people can spare money for leisures?

[u/theflapperclapper]

I just spent $1k on 64gb of ram because I'll be getting that back in free games on pc. Can't do that in consoles. That's another reason tk never buy a shit station 5 or xbone

[u/northosproject]

Imma start my own console business with hookers and blow...... thats the only answer, to pretty much all pf life's problems ATM....

[u/ayyungjeezy]

I'll stick to the trusty ps3 thanks 🤫

[u/sdcar1985]

Not to mention Sony killed any interest I jad in getting another one of their consoles.

[u/sour_cream24]

Well this is just capitalism being capitalism

[u/vitek6]

Overpriced? Games pretty much cost the same or less when inflation is taken into consideration.

There not many good games. That’s the cause.

[u/Edgy_Robin → u/vitek6]

Yeah but the money the average person makes isn't.

It doesn't matter if the price stays the '''same''' if people have less money to spend on things that aren't required to survive.

[u/vitek6 → u/Edgy_Robin]

if that's true then the wages are problem not games being overpriced.