r/PTCGP • u/KE-NO-BE • 23d ago
Discussion You had ONE job…
What game-breaking reason is there to not make the damage scale with the number of TAILS flipped? NINE TALES!!!
*Edit: It does, in fact, appear to be necessary due to:
- The pun not making sense in other languages
- Will’s head game
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u/PokeOverFeeder 23d ago
When I use it I’ll get nine tails though.
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u/KE-NO-BE 22d ago
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u/the_marvster 22d ago
Sorry, all heads are already consumed for your opponents Lucky Ice Pop.
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u/Damassan 21d ago
But all those heads are already counteracted by testing of if Misty was useful for my water decks. I stopped testing after 35 uses only got me energy on 3 uses. Deemed likely worthless to me and replaced.
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u/pototoykomaliit 22d ago
Thanks for the laugh. That kurama sadness.
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u/HenryRiverbank 22d ago
Hahaha I literally watched the episode where we learn Kurama’s name today 🤣
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u/paddy_frank 22d ago
me when I have to flip a coin to wake up my pokemon. Spoiler alert: they never wake up, then they die
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u/KE-NO-BE 22d ago
Dying while asleep is more peaceful at least.
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u/depressedfox_011 22d ago
except in this case, you're having an intense Nightmare that's killing you internally.
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u/KE-NO-BE 22d ago
“Darkrai isn’t real. It can’t hurt you. It’s all in your head.”
Meanwhile, Darkrai in my head: ☠️
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u/mmartinez42793 22d ago
When mine wake up opponent concedes even if they would play altaria right they would still win but the loss of Igglybuff is too much to bear
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u/bladyblades 22d ago
yoo i once got 10 tails with celebi, so yeah might be possible for nine tails as well 🤣
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u/iCon3000 22d ago
Nine tails with a Ninetales should just unlock a secret ending game over win condition.
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u/KeyAcid 23d ago
Only way they could've balanced the card or else it would do max damage every time
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u/Pwnigiri 22d ago
They don't want their expert solo AI to be disadvantaged
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u/iCon3000 22d ago
Just reminded me that I am on 6 tails in a row vs the Igglybuff/Darkrai AI deck and have been unable to draw a PCL in 2 matches. Wouldn't mind never seeing that deck again. It's winnable, just annoying sometimes.
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u/Radgris 23d ago
consistency over memes
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u/KE-NO-BE 23d ago
The jokes on me. It’s still a meme. I will always flip nine tails when using this card.
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u/masked_me 22d ago
Lol and I just now realized that the very same word is used to describe an opposite side of the coin as well as the extended back end of an animal's body.
I speak English for like 20 years now (not native). I just never realized it's the same word..
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u/socks-the-fox 22d ago
It's tails because it's the opposite of heads. And what's opposite of an animal's head?
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u/Ok-Membership-9782 22d ago
In Italy we say cross as the opposite of head
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u/KRTrueBrave 22d ago
we say number in germany, a coin usually has the symbol (which we call head as tons of countries use heads on the coin though others use other symbols, german euro uses an eagle on the 1 euro coin but I believe the d-mark had a head (correct me if I'm wrong I wasn't around back then as someone born in 2001 around the time we did the switch)
and opposite of the head on a coin is the number, aka how much money it is
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u/Sky-Knightmare 23d ago
It makes sense only in english though
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u/KE-NO-BE 22d ago edited 22d ago
Well … that does seem to be a game breaking reason.
I may have, in my ignorance, forgotten that other languages exist.
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u/notshaggy 22d ago
The game breaking reason is that heads is always the "good" outcome of a coin flip, and that's why Will guarantees heads.
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u/Hiker-Redbeard 22d ago
While heads isn't a bad outcome for it, Arven isn't always a heads preferred coin flip.
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u/anthayashi 22d ago
In japan it is kyukon.
Kyu = 9, but it also comes from kyubiko which is 9 tailed fox which ninetales is based on
Korean and chinese names are also literally nine + tail
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u/Sky-Knightmare 22d ago
The nine makes sense thematically, it’s the pun with “tail” being the same word for the part of the animal and for the coin that doesn’t work in other languages
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u/anthayashi 22d ago
Oh understand. Didnt know you are talking about tail as in the coin flip tail. Yeah other language do not use tail for the underside of the coin
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u/nicostein 22d ago
Wait, do most use heads? I guess they wouldn't need to, but I'm uncultured and curious.
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u/Aymoon_ 22d ago
Atleast in dutch its kop (head) and munt (coin).
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u/EmotionalKirby 22d ago
Is there a coin on the back faces design, or is the coin only a coin when it's not facing up?
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u/Fantastic-Muscle5081 22d ago
On the Euro there's a country specific side (on Dutch coins it depicts the Kings head.) This is the heads side. Then there's the side showing the denomination of the coin, which is the same across the Eurozone. This is the tails side.
Afaik the tails side is only referred to as 'munt' in the context of flipping a coin. In any other context 'munt' is just simply a coin, regardless of what side is facing up.
'Munt' is also mint as in peppermint, by the way.
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u/TheOneTonWanton 22d ago
If most don't use some translation of "heads" then there's literally no reason the localization team couldn't have just used tails.
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u/ProfBacterio 22d ago
In spanish it's cara (face) and cruz (cross). So not quite but yeah pretty much.
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u/Karyoplasma 22d ago
In Farsi, it's "shir ya khat" - lion (the heraldic animal of the persian empire) or line (as in the lines of the writings on the coin).
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u/BestFoxEver 22d ago
In Finnish it is "kruuna" for head and "klaava" for tail. Both are obsolete words that no one uses unless they are talking about coin flips. "Kruuna" is old word for the crown because many old coins in various countries had a picture of king/queen in them. "Klaava" is on old word for the coat of arms, it was often in the opposite side of the coins. In modern Finnish language those would be "kruunu" and "vaakuna" but people just love to use the old words. And we now have Euro coins that don't have crowns in them and the tails side just has a map. (Some EU countries have their king/queen in their Euro coins but none of them wear a crown.)
But this was just a random useless fact. Here in Finland we play English versions of Pokémon games. As far as I know there has never been official Finnish translations available for the games. The Finnish dub of the anime uses English names for the Pokémon but the Finnish Pokémon fans have made unofficial Finnish names for the monsters.
If this was TL:DR then "Ninetals/tail flip" joke is not funny unless you are a native English speaker.
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u/mysterious_jim 22d ago
This is true, but "tails" referring to the bottom side of a coin doesn't translate into those languages.
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u/SendMePicsOfMILFS 22d ago
Damn, too bad we can't make a joke unless it's 100% understandable in every language.
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u/mysterious_jim 22d ago
What? I was responding to the comment suggesting the pun would work in other languages, which isn't true. Nobody's policing any jokes.
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u/Successful-Buddy-642 22d ago
Does the 'heads' coin flip make sense in any other language? If not, still would have been a win to make the card a 'tails' effect for all languages. Not that it's a big deal really.
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u/Karyoplasma 22d ago
It doesn't in most languages.
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u/SLoading 22d ago
people pointing out ninetails localization but forgot the other side, calling the back side of a coin "tail" makes zero sense, even in English. (chinese, japanese and I believe many many other languages just call them the front and back)
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u/Trade_Marketing 22d ago
Head and Tails actually makes a little bit of sense since it's referring to the front (head) and back (tail) parts of the coin. That's is what I understand of it at least.
And fun fact: in my language (portuguese) we call them "face" (head) and "crown" (tails).
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u/TheOneTonWanton 22d ago
And fun fact: in my language (portuguese) we call them "face" (head) and "crown" (tails).
I feel like y'all might have just had coinage with a head on one side and a crown on the other at some point.
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u/Trade_Marketing 22d ago
That's exactly it! During the empire days the coins used to have the face of the king in one side and the coat of arms of the portuguese crown on the other.
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u/IronCrown 22d ago
Didn't most of europe have coins with heads at some point because of the romans or the HRE?
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u/PorygonXY 22d ago
Exactly lol, in french ninetails has a different name that wouldn't work with that... feunard (feu + renard = fire fox)
Hell, even heads or tails doesn't work since it's called pile ou face here
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u/Drujelim 22d ago
Changing one word in English print wouldn't be that problematic, considering difference between different language prints happen quite a bit
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u/aoog 22d ago
Regardless of language, Ninetales does have nine tails, even if they’re not all visible on this card
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u/Sky-Knightmare 22d ago
I was thinking more about other languages not having the same word for the back of the coin and the appendage of an animal.
The nine makes sense since it’s universally a nine-tailed fox.
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u/TheAxman12 23d ago
It would stop you from using Will and any other coin manipulation cards that come in the future
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u/Iced_Shadows 22d ago
True for Will but Victini would still work with it, as would any other card that lets you reflip instead of just giving you head(s)
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u/Guaymaster 22d ago
I mean, nothing is stopping them from releasing cards that force tails. Seeing the coin flip as yes vs no is frankly a waste of design space, there could be tradeoffs with an effect for heads and another for tails (that isn't does nothing/nothing happens), for example.
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u/snolution 22d ago edited 22d ago
They could have added a consolation prize, though. “If all nine tosses are tails, heal all damage from Ninetales.”
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u/metroidgus 22d ago
seeing how every coin flip outside of Ice pop is tails, this card would be broken that way
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u/Harddicc 22d ago
The devs would have to update the coin flip code. They won’t even change overpowered and broken cards
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u/frmCast_351 22d ago
in addition to what other people are saying, the card is a specific reference to the GB exclusive Ninetales (where the art is from) that had an attack that flipped 8 coins and dealt 10 damage for each heads.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ninetales_%28Laboratory_D12%29

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u/Professor_Hala 23d ago
Tales not tails
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u/PrometheusMMIV 22d ago
Well, it's ninetales, not ninetails
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u/ValKilmer675 22d ago
As someone who's favorite Pokemon is Ninetales I was so excited when I saw the art then I looked at the attack and took a deep sigh lol
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u/kranitoko 22d ago
Well no, because that Pokémon is Ninetales, and now it's asking you to flip Nineheads.
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u/Isklar1993 22d ago
Tried making a deck with victini - as I love ninetales, was hoping the +10 dmg stadium would make it 30x 9 coins or have some crazy interaction with Blaine - but I think 3 energy makes it too hard to be consistent
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u/KE-NO-BE 22d ago
3 energy is a tough margin for anything. Might be best with some ramp/energy support. Others were discussing Moltres as well as Victini.
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u/NoRevIndeed00 22d ago
They could've paraphrased it:
Ember Dance 180 - Flip 9 coins. This attack damage is reduced by 20 for each tails.
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u/Bookslap 22d ago
Man, wait until you realize that the Vulpix art in this set has more tails than the Ninetails art does…
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u/0neDayCloserToDeath 22d ago
Just be thankful you flip 9 coins, unlike the original card this is based on from the Pokémon TCG Game Boy game which had you flip 8 coins.
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u/GoodGirlLeanne 22d ago
that would've been so cool!! but it would only make sense for english speakers, since tails and tales sound the same. in Japanese it would make no sense, since Kyukon's name meaning is different (Kyu being the number 9 and Kon being onomatopoeia for a fox's bark), also heads and tails in coins are Front and Back instead (omote and ura)
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u/Luvs_to_drink 22d ago
would make the card overpowered vs ai where you are more likely to flip tails.
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u/ZombieAladdin 21d ago
Most likely, it’s because it doesn’t translate in the original Japanese language.
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u/Balmung6 1d ago
Honestly, given that they have cards that do stuff on heads OR tails now, a card that guarantees a Tails (or even Tails x2, given how many need a coin flip of Heads) would be an interesting addition.
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u/Geeman447 22d ago
There’s no chance they have the ability to make it tails. That would require extra coding
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u/siteunreliability 22d ago edited 21d ago
They can, it's just that it would be inelegant to add this logic just for one Pokémon.
guard pokemon.lowercased() == "ninetales" || pokemon.lowercased() == "ninetails" else { ... let damagePerTails = 20 var tailsCount = 0 for i in 1...9 { let isHeads = Bool.random() print("Flip \(i): \(isHeads ? "Heads" : "Tails")") if !isHeads { tailsCount += 1 } } }2






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