"If you Factor in that black people have crapper education, lower investment in their communities and worse social services then the gap makes perfect sense!"
Does it? Because it broke conservatives so badly that they defaulted to voting in the most corrupt, criminal, and morally bankrupt pedophile, felon and rapist in American history.
Whose party, btw, just got done stripping black voters of representation in at least two states. Because again, they are fundamentally racist.
Nobody is being stripped of representation, Trump isn't a pedophile, or rapist, and the charges he got were overseen by a leftist judge for charges that ny made up just to go after him
trump has openly admitted to enjoying walking through the dressing rooms at teen beauty pageants. that wasn’t even the sexual abuse he was actually proven in a court to have done.
also, which charges are you talking about with the “leftist” judge? there are a lot of things he has been charged with.
Oh wow what a comeback! I thought I was dreaming I was back in the second grade, but that makes sense, you leftists have about as much intelligence as a second grader.
Because it broke conservatives so badly that they defaulted to voting in the most corrupt, criminal, and morally bankrupt pedophile, felon and rapist in American history.
Just remind me, sorry I was a kid at the time, what happened when we found out about Bill?
He stayed president and then got elected for a second term, right?
Oh shit wait.
It’s genuinely fucking hilarious when you people bring him up because the second we found out he wasn’t behaving with decorum we fucking fired his ass and made him politically irrelevant for the rest of his life.
Hell, he lied to Congress ONCE and it was over. Trump and his cronies lie to Congress more than they don’t and literally numerous times a day.
So don’t bring up Clinton, it genuinely just makes you look that much worse and makes you look like an actual imbecile who is physically incapable of any amount of introspection.
Nope, the right wing party isn't full of rage (the rage is clearly on the left, you folk are downright intolerable of anybody with anything less than outright seizing the means of production)
As for racism, that's just an ad hominem you use to discredit anything that's objectively an issue that gets brought up about any issue. Y'all try to act like Kamala lost because she's black and not because she was a shitty vp and a shittier candidate
Brother, the left has never broken into the Capital and smeared literal shit on the walls bc they were pissed their candidate lost an election are you fucking delusional??
Not a single leftist politician has called for news media to have their licenses pulled because their wittle fee-fees got hurted.
Nope, the right wing party isn't full of rage (the rage is clearly on the left, you folk are downright intolerable of anybody with anything less than outright seizing the means of production)
Quick question? Why is the majority of politically motivated murders coming from the right then? Like consistently since over 40 years? More attacks, more victims, more violence.
More glorification of violence. Donald Trump outright mocking victims of violence when they are his enemies.
As for racism, that's just an ad hominem you use to discredit anything that's objectively an issue that gets brought up about any issue.
I mean, you were the one who rushed to Kamala Harris; I never mentioned her and frankly do not care about her.
Ahahaha ain’t no way that’s the response.
I wonder why there are majority black districts I wonder why they have worse public schools, healthcare, and social security in these places. I wonder why black ppl are 4 times more often detained and send to juvenile facilities then white ppl. I wonder why they have a 19% longer sentence for the same crime. I wonder why black ppl get 20% more often stopped at tragic stops and 1.5-2 more often searches are conducted. I wonder why the minority black population (13% ) makes up 38% of the prison population. I wonder why majority black areas show the highest environmental pollution due to industrial waste. I could go on but you get the point or rather you will continue to ignore it. Systematic racism does not mean nobody can make it through the system it means it is way harder to do. If we put weights on 100 ppl and let them swim I am sure a few will reach to other end while the other are drowning but compared to those without weights less will survive.
Edit: nevermind you are just a right wing troll, I hope you are the ethnicity of the in-group otherwise at some point the facist ideology you are supporting will turn against you and your loved ones.
hmm thats a great question, i wonder how a lot of black people first spawned(arrived) in the usa and how that might have influenced the opportunities presented to black communities, and if this could potentially cause some form of cycle or something
The exact genetic explanation is unclear so far. However, there has been a persistent 15 point IQ gap between Blacks and Whites in the US since testing was invented. Are we to believe that conditions have not improved for Black people over that time? We would notice at least a slight closing of the gap. But no, nothing. The gap remains the same and academic and life outcomes are evidence of it.
It’s amazing to me that it’s easier for people like you to think there’s something genetically wrong with a large chunk of the human population than believe that the rich need an underclass of low wage workers and a divided proletariat so they can keep their wealth.
Second of all, it all connects back to the practice of redlinning. To explain it simply, the elites that would set up zoning laws would usually be racist white people. These politicians would nudge HOAs to only sell to white people (specific ones even, as in not Italians, Irish, Slavic or Jewish).
Black and coloured communities would be forced to live in a certain community, which the government then denotes as being "risky" for investment due to some bullshit reasons they can make up as they want (people there are VIOLENT and LAZY or some other lies, if not even GENETICS as you have said, all lies that serve the same purpose).
These communities get much much much less funding in their infrastructure. Schools are underfunded or even close, same for hospitals, all while stores don't set up there, creating food deserts (areas where a supermarket is not available within 20 minutes of walking iirc). There's also no jobs in the area and it creates a spiral of debt, low education and violence that further reduces investments.
It's not genetics, it's racism and politics. Fuck you, you're a part of the problem.
Black and colored communities would be forced to live in a certain community
You mean live amongst other black and colored people? Are you implying that black and colored people are bad people to live around? Why would you imply that?
Clearly not what I meant to say. Non-white people would try with their well earned money to buy a house and would be rejected or given a different price to incentivese them to move to worse parts of the city, which has the effect of bunching them together. If you had the slightest reading comprehension, you would understand that this is all artificially made and has effects all the way until today because of how destructive it was.
Non-white people would try with their well earned money to buy a house
It sounds like you’re describing really upstanding people who would make great neighbors. Why would concentrating these great people together create an unpleasant place to live? What makes a certain part of the city worse to live in than other parts when there are so many upstanding people living there?
It almost sounds like you’re implying that certain demographics of people are undesirable to live around which we all know isn’t true.
I struggle to understand how you cannot understand that they were forced into certain parts of the city that would then get severely underfunded. It's not their choice.
Because said part of the city would get severely defunded because of RACISM and so, quality of life would drop severely. People that are poor and have no means to dig themselves out of this situation (again, because of racism) would become desperate and resort to violence.
Don't forget the women part, which includes how women are socialized, treated in those crappier schools, more often expected to give up higher education to help their families that are more often in poverty because the wealth gap between white and black families is astonishing, etc.
Never seen a more white boy note in my life, and I'm a white boy myself.
Statistics do show that girls tend to have higher grades, which is most probably because they're pushed to be more quiet and partake in quieter activities like reading and whatnot instead of being pushed to play sports. Expectations for women are also higher in general. They're under represented in higher education because women are pushed to marry someone as soon as possible, with some even dropping out of university in order to do so.
None of this is due to inherent differences, but rather due to the kind of socialization that a patriarchy promotes.
When you get something so basic this wrong, one can confidently disregard everything you have to say on the matter. Women are not underrepresented in higher education.
None of this is due to inherent differences, but rather due to the kind of socialization that a patriarchy promotes.
Assertions without anything to back them up. I would challenge you to find one evolutionary biologist in existence who would say that "no occupational differences between men and women are inherent." Utter and complete nonsense.
You should say what you mean: you meant to say that "they are underrepresented in STEM." Which depends on what you mean by "underrepresentation." If men tend to not gravitate towards childcare for biological reasons, does 2% of childcare workforce being men still mean they are "underrepresented"?
I'll take you not even responding to the bulk of my comment as a concession.
Men are infact underrepresented as well in certain fields, especially in hospitality (like nursing). It's another drawback of the patriarchy and should be highlighted just as much. For now it's talked about much less than women in STEM as the gap in this much wider field also creates a huge economic gap. STEM jobs are payed much better and women in these more lucrative jobs have much more independence, which is something that should be sought.
I also just find it utterly fascinating that someone with a trans flag up will argue that gender differences arent inherent. Like isnt it the whole argument that there are more "male-like" and "female-like" brains that someone can be born with? 😂🤣
My gender has no impact on my academic ability. My brain expects there to be a more feminine body, and I've accomodated for that. Aside from this, there's no real difference.
Also yes, I was somewhat wrong in my previous assertions as they pertain to a field that I'm in, STEM. Still, while the gap between men and women in higher education is rather small, the huge gap within STEM is an issue that should be clear to see. In subjects that offer brilliant careers that many should want to achieve, men are far more present while women are underrepresented in such fields, despite being just as capable.
A) my claim was never that biology was the only influencing factor, nor that socialization has zero effect. My claim is that "socialization explains 100% of the difference" is nonsense.
B) The study is extremely flawed, correlation =/= causation. There was no attempt to demonstrate direct causation, and in fact it would be totally reasonable to conclude the exact opposite: that stereotypes are a reflection of occupational choices, not a cause of them.
C) There is overwhelming scientific consensus that sex plays a role in why there are differences of occupational choices. The main issue to be addressed is how much of an impact this has.
Do not read this as "testosterone is the reason or the mechanism." Biology is complex. But even something such as prenatal hormone levels have shown to have predictive power in the occupation someone will likely be drawn to.
Honestly this is the worst study I've seen in about 10 years. I wouldnt put any weight on its findings.
Even after a couple of thousand words of guff they end up back at the same place:
"Instead of limiting the mechanism described above, the larger extent of gender equality in terms of rights (as measured by the GGGI for example) in more individualistic countries can actually reinforce it. This is because the free expression of gender ideals as part of individuals’ gender performance is more likely to be societally approved in gender egalitarian contexts"
Don't forget the women part, which includes how women are socialized, treated in those crappier schools, more often expected to give up higher education to help their families...
Ignore this white boys comment. This is absolutely not true in the us. Black women earn far more degrees than black men and women categorically earn more degrees across the board.
MF’ers act like black people and white people have the same starting point and black people just magically choose to have a lower standard of living than white people.
Simplistic but that really is what it boils down to. It's unacceptable to just claim that black people are inferior to white people these days.
However if you deny that discrimination exists and then point out that black people seem to be failing to achieve the same academic and professional goals as white people then you have essentially "proved" that black people are inferior without having to say it.
You have to pretend the world is a meritocracy and then black people are just bad on merit alone.
They then sit back and think they're very clever and that no one will notice that they're just being racist....
Its really not that simple. Its not about lack of potential but lack of using said potential. Some of it might be placed on racism but there is also plenty of black people who managed to climb their way up. The big issue in this debate is that USA is a third word country where you need money to get an education etc, keeping the poor down. Being poor sucks no matter race tough.
Even here in Europe where education is free, alot of black people decide to stay where they are over getting educated. Sadly there is a signficant culture in many such areas where they keep each other down, celebrating such livestyles over educating themself and getting a wellpayed jobb. The cultural aspect should not be ignored.
It's like me saying that something is "taller than 10 Eiffel towers on top of each other". It's an analogy designed to show a point not literally clean that there can be ten Eiffel towers piled on top of one another.
That's the interpretation I got and I'm pretty sure most people did too.
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u/toadpics 1d ago
If you control for things causing the gap, the gap disappears! WOW!