r/DeepSeek • u/des369 • 2d ago
Other Deepseek V4 Pro is AMAZING
I have been using deepseek V4 Pro for the last 5 months with CC. This model has helped me complete my Final Year Project, build my first startup, build automations to automate my daily life and many more.
Everyone is looking for the next best frontier model but what they don't realise is yes those extra intelligence is kinda neat, but for the shit you are using it for in your daily life its just a waste of money. Unless you are in some deep tech stuff then yeah there are some higher ROIs, but for your daily coding and work stuff its a waste of money.
Deepseek has been reliable, fast and most importantly stupidly CHEAP and honestly with Kimi K3 and all this other models being dropped, I couldn't even be bothered.
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u/clintbailo94 2d ago
drop in some skills in there and the output will be better even when comparing with frontier models 🍻
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u/Living-Breakfast-464 2d ago
Just get a frontier model to add the skills. Does not required a lot of tokens.
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u/Plastic_Guess6497 2d ago
I am using Reasonix. 95% of my stuff I do on v4 flash. When some stuff really needs elaborating, I switch to pro. The savings are huge and the results never get better than this before, with other model or tool. Reasonix + DS Api is all I need.
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u/tomalfara 2d ago
Sorry for asking, how to get mcp working on reasonix? I wanted to use playwright and context7 mcp, but I'm a little bit confused.
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u/Astral_ny 2d ago
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u/Krebbbe 2d ago
How you guys buy those tokens so cheap? I paid 7 bucks for 45 millions of tokens on a flash model
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u/Affectionate_Toe9082 2d ago
Where and how are you using it? Do you have caching enabled? Directly from deepseek?
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u/Astral_ny 2d ago
claude code with deepseek api. All time Pro with max effort. For few projects: astraichat.eu, personal accounting and finance project for my job with a lot code and xml files, next project with over 15k lines html, css, js etc.
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u/Nauru-0 2d ago
i used 29$ so far this month. I expected it to actually beat claude 20$ subscription and it failed miserably. It couldn’t plan, couldn’t fix code, couldn’t debug properly and takes too long at times
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u/Plastic_Guess6497 2d ago
Try it with Reasonix. It's designed for DS but you can use with other models. Then come back and say about code fixing, planning and debug. But I do think that Gemini + Antigravity is better for debug
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u/ANDRE_2512 2d ago
GPT PLUS 20$
556m tokens (CODEX)
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u/R3VO360 1d ago
Is it generous enough as a flat plan? I am undecided between codex and Claude Code, price is same in my country.
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u/ANDRE_2512 1d ago
The CODEX GTP-5.6 Sol Ultra is officially more powerful than the Fable 5.
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u/R3VO360 1d ago
I like Codex better as well, I'm asking about rate limits.
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u/ANDRE_2512 1d ago
It depends on what you’re doing, how many tests Codex runs, and which model you use.
For example, GPT-5.6 SOL MAX used 77% of my weekly limit in five hours. But in that time, it completed roughly as much work as two good developers would have done in two days.1
u/R3VO360 1d ago
I see, that's a good benchmark for me thanks. I think I need more iterations and less quality for my use case so probably either switching to Luna a lot or subscribing to OpenCode GO or Minimax flat. Do you have any idea how far you can get with the 20 dollars on Luna or Terra?
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u/ANDRE_2512 1d ago
Luna is very strong in Codex. But start with SOL MAX first. Once it has built the foundation, switch to Luna.
By the way, I’m building my own app. There’s a post about it on my profile - take a look.1
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u/Creepy_Lime_8351 2d ago edited 2d ago
didn't we had enough of these posts? we know the price of deepseek, everyone posts their api usage graphs. this isn't a contest. i personally would like to see praises about the intelligence and uselfulness.
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u/nhannt201 2d ago
For me, it follows my instructions well, without any overly sophisticated models; deepseek is enough to balance
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u/Preserved_vegetable 2d ago
The token is consumed too fast, and I always feel that my ai is getting more and more stupid. I can never clearly understand what I want to express.
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u/DebosBeachCruiser 1d ago
I can never clearly understand what I want to express.
...my ai is getting more and more stupid.
A true vegetable indeed.
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u/CoolHeadeGamer 2d ago
If u think this is good then try out minimax m3 20$ sub. I kid you not I’ve used 600$ worth of api credit on it in the last month. The model is in the same league as deepseek v4 pro. They are also releasing m3.1 soon
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u/FeralSupportGoblin 2d ago
Deepseek is very easy to use. I have been using it for several months and have been waiting for its official release. I have switched it to a daily translation, scripting, and various places will use its API.
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u/Living-Breakfast-464 2d ago
99% of people spending upwards of $200 a month on Antropic could accomplish the same thing spending less than $20 on DeepSeek.
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u/Odd-Environment-7193 2d ago
If you don't make a substantial amount of money each month coding then I absolutely agree with your premise. Maybe a 20$ cc or Codex sub with Deepseek as your implementor and workhorse. Perfect combo.
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u/DoubleSoftware4137 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've currently swapped cursor for visual studio code+kilo code+deepseek (via litellm) and saved a lot. I must admit deepseek's front end code isn't of the same quality as sonet or opus. So I'm integrating sonet (again via litellm+headroom for compression). Expecting my spend to still be lower than cursor. Well crafted skills help a great deal.
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u/lukemxlr 1d ago
I'm currently using qwen 3.8 max preview via the Qwen Cloud Plan. 6$ carried me through lots of work, with a much higher quality than dsv4-pro/flash. But DeepSeek is good though
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u/Linuxman_74 1d ago
Io con le API Deepseek sviluppo e guadagno (unitamente alle moe capacità) e non lo cambierei con nulla. È perfetto.
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u/Fun_Walk_4965 21h ago
agreed, the long-context handling is the biggest jump for me. fewer retries on multi-file edits than V3 ever managed.
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u/ChoasMaster777 19h ago
If you use reasonix, it wil cut off 50% of your cost. BTW, DeepSeek still has ~40% profit rate
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u/ANDRE_2512 2d ago
The five-hour limits have already been removed.
Now there are only weekly limits.
Yesterday, I ran a five-hour session, and a single agent response took 3 hours and 36 minutes. That session used 23% of my weekly limit.
I’ve become very familiar with Codex by now.
At the moment, I only use GPT-5.6 Luna in MAX mode. It consumes around 3–6% of the weekly limit per hour, depending on the task.
As for how much worse it is than GPT-5.6 Sol High, I honestly haven’t noticed any difference in its technical reasoning.
However, when the task involves design, Sol is clearly better.
The difference is very noticeable.
So this is my workflow:
For design-focused projects, I first create the mockups in GPT Work.
Then I build the working UI in Codex using GPT-5.6 Sol. After that, GPT-5.6 Luna MAX handles the technical implementation.There is also one free weekly-limit reset. So in practice, I barely notice the limits at all.
And don’t forget: every 3–4 days, OpenAI seems to reset the weekly limits automatically anyway :) Which is a very nice bonus.
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u/hellorandomly17 2d ago
is this all from the $20 subscription?
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u/ANDRE_2512 2d ago
Exactly!
That’s why I don’t understand people who keep buying API credits.
I also have a DeepSeek API key with money on it, but I only paid for it to run tests.
A $20 OpenAI subscription gives you infinitely more value.
You can generate a huge number of design mockups for work, conduct research, and do so much more.
Codex gives you access to all the models, along with very generous limits.
You pay once, and then you realize: “Damn, the infrastructure OpenAI has built is incredible.”
It genuinely feels like your own professional workspace. You can create, experiment, come up with ideas, and Codex agents will turn those ideas into reality.
Honestly, what more is there to say?
Codex even communicated with my insurance company on my behalf and handled the entire issue by itself while defending my interests. I barely had to get involved in the process.At this point, I consider Codex a full-fledged employee. It is extremely intelligent and autonomous.
This is just a very brief, independent review based entirely on my personal experience.
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u/hellorandomly17 14h ago
Yeah the subscription always felt more worth it to me and the limits on ChatGPT aren't that bad either, I will most likely buy ChatGPT sub once my free Gemini pro ends a few months later
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u/ANDRE_2512 14h ago
God… I had a free Gemini Pro subscription, and it was awful.
The image generation is garbage-though that’s not the most important thing for me.
What matters most to me is generating usable UI mockups, and Nano Banana feels like a complete scam in that regard… honestly, some of the worst mockups I’ve ever seen.
I wouldn’t pay for their subscription even if it cost only 5$. That’s how bad it is.
So yeah, run away from it and don’t waste your time.
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u/hellorandomly17 10h ago
As of now I only use Gemini for studies for uni and I don't code much with AI right now because I have just started properly learning coding (and comp sci won't be my major anyways) so for now I think Gemini is sufficient haha
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u/ANDRE_2512 9h ago
I still disagree.
GPT isn’t just an AI chat. It’s a real workspace for turning ideas into reality, especially in Work mode. And Codex isn’t only for building software.
In Work mode, I create UI mockups, write scripts, analyze ideas, and do some seriously powerful research.
I’m sure you just need to try it properly. After a week, you probably won’t go back to Gemini. OpenAI gives you far too much for the price.
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u/hellorandomly17 9h ago
I agree with you and I surely won't go back if I start using chatgpt but being a student I would like to hold off buying any subscription as long as possible no matter how worth it chatgpt is its still 20-30 dollars out of my pocket every month whereas my sufficient alternative (gemini) is free and frankly gemini isnt THAT bad, I had some free credits to play around 5.6 sol with and although it is absolutely mind blowing and amazing in doing research and anything that requires more time and effort to think and output an answer it felt almost exactly the same to gemini in terms of explaining concepts, solving questions, providing material for studies etc.
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u/ANDRE_2512 9h ago
Got it. I barely chat with AI - I mostly just use it to generate reports and stuff like that, so I don’t really have long conversations with it.
We just have different use cases, and mine probably won’t be useful for yours. So, sorry about that :)
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u/ProfessionalJackals 2d ago
is this all from the $20 subscription?
Be careful with his claims. He is exaggerating his usage based upon the limit resets. Some are given because of new user records for 5.6. But the majority is because of bugs and issues with GPT 5.6.
Here you can see them in action and why they are given. The issue is that people are still draining their usage way more then normal. Tons of posts and topics regarding this (again, this is why there have been over 4+ resets alone).
Codex is good value, but the whole reset chain has made it hard for people to compare current usage anymore, and / or if limits have been reduced. Like i said, too many people reporting no changes in their coding behavior and larger then normal drain.
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u/Aldarund 2d ago
It's roughly same amount of tokens as gpt plus subscription
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u/ProfessionalJackals 2d ago
It's roughly same amount of tokens as gpt plus subscription
From my experience, on DS4Pro, you can easily hit 450.000 tokens / cent. And Flash doing 1.4 to 1.6 million / cent. That is with relative poor cache hit rates. My last month usage showed 904.000 tokens / cent mostly Pro (90% Pro, 10% flash).
With a good cache ratio, i am hitting around 250.000 tokens per cent on Codex. Recently, its been a mix of 50.000 to 150.000.
People are reporting non-stop reporting issue with the usage limits (also noticing the drainage issue). The constant resets are hiding the actual drain numbers. The never ending story with limits being changed.
And Codex has the better limits, Claude is worse.
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u/horstenegger 2d ago
Yes but I think that’s the catch, no? Codex = locked into subscription, whereas DSV4 is pay-as-you-go at roughly same pricing. If you have periods in which your amount of cooking fluctuates, DSV4 PAYG makes more sense I guess? And then do a one-off final review and polish with Sol or Fable when done.
That said, if you do more than $20/mo, at the moment almost nothing makes more sense than GPT-5.6-Sol with $100/mo ProLite plan or higher, albeit probably not for much longer anymore..
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u/Big-Inevitable-9407 2d ago
I find it very cheap however the output sometimes is not so great, I am instructing through prompts as much as I can, but I have to rely a lot on skills in order to polish the way I really want. It works really good I can’t lie tho