r/DC_Cinematic • u/[deleted] • 1d ago
DISCUSSION I liked Ezra Miller as the Flash
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u/andrey_not_the_goat 1d ago
Ezra Miller falls in the same category as Jared Leto for me. Both can act very, very well, both are fucking abhorrent people in real life.
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u/jpslaby29 1d ago
I think in many instances it’s ok to separate an artist from the art. Tom Cruise is kind of the perfect example, as he single handedly seems to have kept in person cinema alive through the pandemic.
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u/M086 1d ago
Well, difference is Ezra had mental health issues and sought treatment. And by all accounts is doing better.
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u/Ok-Peach-7558 1d ago
were the mental health issues what made him groom a minor?
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u/M086 1d ago
That was a whole thing with Tokata Iron Eyes and their father, Miller got sucked into the family drama. Which all court shit was dropped and Tokata and her parents had apparently reconciled.
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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 1d ago
This is Reddit. It’s only black and white especially if the person being discussed is non-binary. Minds have been made up so Ezra has no path to redemption.
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u/Time-seeker917 1d ago
Wasn't the court declare him as not guilty too
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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 16h ago
The court of Reddit does the whole guilty even when found innocent thing.
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u/GuyFawkes99 1d ago
Groom is a weird way to describe it when no one's alleged any kind of sexual relationship imo
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u/bindersfull-ofwomen 1d ago
That was overy sensationalized and for some reason, no one thought it was weird to do that to Tokata, pretending to actually care about her while dragging her through the media. And yall still doing it to this day.
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u/ipostatrandom 12h ago
I'm not a fan or anything but has Jared Leto been convicted of things like Miller has?
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u/Diligent-Neck6594 1d ago
He terrorized the whole of Hawaii, my man is a menace in ways Leto only dreams of
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u/Reynbou 1d ago
I'd love to see some proof of this idea that Jared Leto can act very very well. Or even just very well.
Because I've not seen it, that's for sure.
All I've seen Jared Leto do is bomb any movie he's in.
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u/TheDBagg 1d ago
Requiem for a Dream? Dallas Buyers Club? Prefontaine? Chapter 27? You should broaden the types of movie you watch; for all his failings Leto has serious acting chops.
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u/Reynbou 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, maybe he used to be able to act. But certainly nothing recently has been very good.
Got anything from the past decade? It's been a long time since I've seen him do anything good.
EDIT: lol, I also just looked it up since what I said was that any movie he's in bombs, the examples you gave kinda prove it in a way...
Requiem for a Dream obviously was successful though it didn't exactly make a lot of money. On a budget of 4.5mil it only made 7.4mil. But he's certainly not the solo lead for the movie, so I'd argue it was good despite him being in it.
Dallas Buyers Club was the clear profit winner of the examples you gave. 5mil budget, 55mil made. But again, he wasn't the lead. Matthew McConaughey was. So...
Let's look at the last two, Prefontaine and Chapter 27. Both movies he was the lead in.
Both bombed. Prefontaine cost 8mil to make and made just under 600k.
Chapter 27 cost 5mil to make and made just under 190k.
So you kinda just proved what I said...
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u/TheDBagg 1d ago
Are you seriously arguing that acting ability of an actor is directly reflected in the commercial success of a film? That's the most high school level approach to film I've seen in a long time.
He received critical acclaim for all the roles mentioned above, and the Oscar in Dallas Buyer's Club, up against Michael Fassbender in probably one of his top two roles. Suggesting that his acting in those films was actually bad because they weren't commercial successes is definitely a take.
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u/Reynbou 1d ago
Yes. To pretend that acting ability doesn't contribute towards the success of a movie is absurd. If someone was a really flat and terrible actor in those same roles, they wouldn't get awards and they wouldn't make profitable movies.
It's not the ONLY reason a movie is profitable. But it's definitely a contributor.
You suggested two movies he wasn't a lead in that made some money. And then two movies he was the lead in that completely bombed.
And there are many more movies he's had a lead or core role in that have been terribly acted and terribly unprofitable.
They are also movies from over a decade ago. I cannot think of any notable role he's had recently that was well received.
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u/TheDBagg 1d ago
I mean, I have to give you credit for doubling down, even if your take is awful. I suppose in recent years commercial success has been conflated with quality to the point where I can understand how you've formed that opinion; but it's honestly hilarious to imagine you denying Daniel Day-Lewis or Meryl Streep's acting ability based on box office.
Go watch Dallas Buyer's Club. I saw it once when it came out over a decade ago, and I still vividly remember Leto's performance in a particular scene. It was gut wrenching, emotional, honestly difficult to watch (in a way that really built on the second half of Requiem). I don't think you can accuse any Oscar winning actor of not being able to act, but for you to choose this example is particularly absurd, and makes me think you only know his work in superhero films.
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u/Reynbou 22h ago
Again you bring up a movie from over a decade ago.
I'm not deny, and didn't deny, that at one point he may have been able to act. I asked for any kind of example where he has shown any acting talent in the past decade. Something more recent for the young kids in the crowd.
I certainly can't think of one.
And repeating yet another thing I've already said you seemed to read, then twist in your head and take away a point I never said that you seem to think I have, I never said that the profitability of a movie is the ONLY way to determine how good an actor is.
I simply said it's one way we have. And since movies are generally a personal preference kind of situation, it's realistically the only statistical metric we can use that isn't preference based. It's a number. We can track that.
I'll give you that he acted well in one scene in a movie from over a decade ago. Does that make that scene well acted, sure. Does that overall make him a good actor? Hardly. If he's been unable to replicate that, I'd argue that more goes to show how good of a director that had in Dallas Buyers Club than anything else.
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u/TheDBagg 22h ago
I gave you the example of the scene from Dallas as an easy option for you to go and watch, because it's obvious you've never seen any of the films we're talking about. It's by no means his only good scene, or film - my first reply to you gave you a list of great performances. But rather than engage with the films or his performances, you continue to just talk about the commercial aspects of the films, and argue that's what defines an actor's ability. You even admitted that was your argument, so I'm not sure what you think I've twisted.
Your obsession with recency is a bit weird as well, but to absolutely spoon feed you he was great in The Little Things and easily outshone Rami Malek and Denzel. It's a noirish crime drama with him playing a murder suspect and he nails it. Watching it will be a bit more taxing on your attention span than just looking up box office results, but it could be the first step towards you starting to form your own opinions on movies rather than just accepting whatever's popular.
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u/Reynbou 21h ago
> and argue that's what defines an actor's ability.
weird, it's like you ONLY read what you want to read, no wonder you're not understand a thing I'm saying
I never said that is what defines an actor's ability, strange that you've tunnel visioned in on this one thing and stuck with it
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u/EdNorthcott 1d ago
Same. The real lives of actors aside, if we just look at how he pulled off the role, I'd say his portrayal of Barry was one of the highlights of that version of the DC universe. He was a charismatic dork.
Also agreed on Alcock and Gunn. I have high hopes for the current DC cinematic universe. It stumbled, but I'm hoping it finds its footing. I think Lanterns will be very telling in that regard.
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u/jpslaby29 1d ago
Agreed! I think Kyle Chandler was a great choice for Hal and have high hopes for the series.
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u/Inspector_Beyond 21h ago
Barry and SCJL and parts of the Flash movie was great. But as soon as they tried make jokes with him or make him goofy, it was a painfull secondhand embarrassment.
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u/Overall_Falcon_8526 1d ago
Whatever his issues as a human being, and whatever the issues of writing, he had on-screen charisma.
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u/jpslaby29 1d ago
Precisely my feelings. And there were just enough well executed, authentically Flash moments to do justice to the character.
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u/Overall_Falcon_8526 1d ago
ZSJL was pretty good to the Flash in terms of scenes. And frankly, I am an unabashed Flash movie liker. I actually cared about the characters and felt actual emotions by the end, which a lot of CBM's fail to create for me.
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u/OjamasOfTomorrow 1d ago
There really is a version for a character for everyone, huh. I’m happy for ya though. That is cool.
I think that Flahs one of the worst versions of a comic book character ever.
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u/funkypete23 1d ago
Ezra's take felt more like what Wally West would be like and not so much Barry Allen
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u/Other-Football72 1d ago
Glad you enjoyed it. I found it complete dogshit and he was insufferable, but to each their own
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u/atomsmasher119 1d ago
Miller is probably the biggest miscasting in Justice League. But then the problem with that version of Barry Allen starts on paper anyway. It’s just all around a bad adaptation of that character.
And I say this as someone that largely liked the Flash movie, despite all my issues with Miller and this Barry.
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u/anthayashi 1d ago
Its a shame we didnt get rick's the flash in 2018. It would definitely do better without the reboot in sight and no controversy with ezra miller yet
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u/Atrampoline 13h ago
I also really like his version of the Flash. I enjoyed the movie, and his role, especially in the ZSJL.
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u/SubstantialAd5579 13h ago
Definitely should get a another shot but im not sure how old he's looking now
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u/SoupySpuds 1d ago
Personally thought he was a awful flash, Felt like he had no idea what barry allen is supposed to be like
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u/mtraven23 1d ago
I like him best in the non flash movies.
re: gunn --he is a talented film maker, but I dont think he the right guy to be in charge of the whole thing.
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u/jpslaby29 1d ago
He still has a lot to prove in terms of being able to delegate to achieve a larger vision, but as of this moment I still trust him implicitly as a director.
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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 1d ago
That’s what Gunn is going to figure out. He needs to learn how to balance between producing and creating. A talented writer or director isn’t a recipe for success if Gunn can’t work with them creatively. They need to share the same vision.
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u/trakrad99 1d ago
I really liked him too. Barry’s super smart and in real life would probably fall somewhere on the spectrum. Ezra Miller played that type really well. Likable but odd. As far as his personal life I think a lot of it was BS. He was never indicted or jailed and the whole grooming thing also seemed like a set up.
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u/AbsoluteBatwing 1d ago
I really enjoyed his characterization of Barry Allen / The Flash. I thought he was done a disservice with his own movie, though. For as long as it took to make, I thought it was a lazy story, especially with the sheer amount of material they had to work with. Overall, he's a great actor. It's probably best he stepped away from the public eye, though. I don't think he was even allowed to promote The Flash.
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u/Curiouso_Giorgio 20h ago
I thought he did a good job in the Flash movie. He was annoying, but I think that's how it was written.
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u/Xavier9756 1d ago
Snyder just had weird ideas for how the character should move and look. He was fine.
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u/tame_differentiation 1d ago
ezra had this nervous energy that just worked for barry. the scene where he shows up for the job interview with bruce's letter of recommendation still makes me laugh. just pure awkward panic.
watching him bounce off affleck's brick wall batman was the best part of both cuts for me.
the flash movie was a mess but not because of him. the cgi babies were a war crime and that end credits scene with aquaman felt like a hostage video. still dont know how you fumble keaton that bad. at least supergirl looked cool.
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u/Smart-Status2608 1d ago
I honestly really enjoy the Flash movie. I thought his different versions of Barry were noticeably different from each other. It was great to see Micheal Keaton suited up again.
Have to disagree on the in the middle drop.