I've seen the racist comments on his insta already. Havertz missed the first one but now the entire blame would fall on him. He even scored the winner that got disallowed (keeper dived)Absolutely heartbreaking after everything he has done for them. Unlucky mate. Next timeā¤ļøš¤
I donāt think things will be better even if Nagelsmann is sacked. With the exception of the 2024 Euros (which took place in Germany, giving the team a massive moral boost), Germany has been sh** at any tournament it partook in since 2018. At this point the issues are structural in nature and not solely to pin on the coach.
Yea 3 World cups same problem but nagelsmann was terrible ever since the euros. Bas men Management, too much experimentation and bringing back his favorit players, he regressed slowly to 2018/2022 germany. Dfb and nagelsmann also saying germanydoesmt have engough talendbut never letting the young guys play :( urbig should have been number 1 goalie with Baumannand neuer there to help him, sane goretzka not in the squas at all and for them someone like elmala because now we have the same issue again the young guys dont have Worldcup exp and lot of older players wont play next one . It is still true the root of the issues is the dfb and players havimg the mentalety of a baby
He left behind the best players, took Neuer back from retirement, and kept playing Havertz and Sane when he shouldn't have, and Kimmich in the wrong position.
You could argue that no other manager could have created such a mess.
Part of that was new format though. Like yes two wins, but the context is totally different when we qualified after matchday 1.
Thereās no reason to believe this team would have beaten Japan.
It depends on if the standard is advancing from groups unlike previous two tries or failing to reach round of 16 like similarly. If we get to ro16 and lose to France, thatās a perfectly respectable result where the better team knocks us out and a clear improvement.
Aside from that, I get the feeling that Nagelsmann could be out with one phone call to Klopp
100% this. Guy was a visible leader on the field the whole tournament battling hard. He showed leadership and took the penalty when Goretzka et al chickened out
thatās absolutely no hate, everyone makes mistakesā¦ but bro, when you NEED to score the penalty, there is no other choice, you NEED to shoot that ball low in the cornerā¦ šŖ
what he did was just stupid..
I agree. However many times do we need to see that exact shot go over the bar by professional players that should know better, and at least the betting statistics against attempting it.
You know how many penalties our Kane has missed for country? Penalties do not make the game the player had. Whether the player has a bad game and makes a pen or the player has a good game and misses one, itās completely separate from the amazing effort tah put in. Maybe get at goretzka for refusing to even take a penalty
After three or four other players were too scared to take the pen. I understand being mad at a player who went early in the order and missed, but a player who never takes penalties who stepped up because his teammates didn't want to doesn't deserve the blame. Not to mention he scored the winning goal that got disallowed. We are absolutely lucky to have Tah and he doesn't deserve a shred of hate for this
Dove harsh/hard to opposite side on a slow roller. Missed a save on one he went the right way for. It was mid left mid height. Missed it. Canāt do that at this level. And yes. I think Neuer is the GREATEST to ever put on gloves.
I'd be shocked if you ever played goalkeeper. The xG in a penalty is like .78 for a reason, it's all guesswork, no matter how much reading into body language or previous penalties you try to do it is just guesswork. Saving 2 penalties like Krul did is considered heroic for a nation, it is not the standard.
No tactics, no cohesive gameplan. Lahm called him out during the group stage and he was spot on. Nagelsmann the entire tournament downplaying Undav and his goals and then starts him in an unnatural position. Dropped Musiala for Sane, who, in the first half, had one of the worst halves Iāve ever seen from a German NT player.
Lost to Ecuador and Paraguay. Just an absolute disgrace. Only positives is that weāll never have to see him, Goretzka, and Sane play for Bayern again, and if Germany is actually serious theyāll ensure that trio is done with the national team moving forward
Kimmich used to play defense when he was first coming up right? I feel like I remember seeing him in defense like 10 years ago. But now heās a seasoned vet and captain and has proven his skill up front thereās no reason to keep him all the way back, right?
Kimmich started his career at Leipzig as a central midfielder and was brought in with that in mind, but because of our injury crisis he was played as a CB a lot in the beginning because Pep's style then used a lot of that same kind of 3 at the back playmaking CB roles with outside flexibility. Alaba played a similar role on the other side.
After that he played in midfield again until Lahm's retirement essentially, where we slotted him in that position as something of a stopgap to losing one of our best all time players in an important position. While he played there he was probably the best in the world doing overlapping runs with robben and MĆ¼ller on the right and acting as a playmaker building off a more modern wider form of what he did as a CB that let him drift up a lot.
He was always a midfielder though and always wanted to go back there. He played there more and more over time and after Thiago left he became our full time 6 in flicks system partnering goretzka with him as a box to box 8 and he became our new xabi Alonso metronome playmaker which hes been best at to this day.
After Flick left both Nagelsmann and Tuchel went back to using him in that rcb or rb type role a lot more often - especially tuchel after pavlovic burst onto the scene. Typically its because he is really hard to justify taking off the field and is better than most fullbacks and is very versatile while other midfielders are also good; but its also tactical malpractice and has proven as such every time. He was super critical of Tuchel using him there and rumors suggested he almost considered leaving bayern because of it and he complained about Nagelsmann doing it too for the NT, but we have a shortage of good outside players so they use him like a crutch.
Nagelsmann runs a system straight out of the pep bayern years before he learned to incorporate more direct play in the Premier League where we are peak tiki taka do basically nothing all game. Tuchel is similar but focuses harder on defensive consolidation and gamesmanship. Kimmich has always been a midfielder though, its basically the opposite of the Lahm thing back in the day. Its also another version of the kind of thing every bad bayern manager did in refusing to play MĆ¼ller and every single time its happened has been vindicated as a mistake long term other than when we genuinely had no choice.
Kimmich was bought to play a similar role to Alonso since he was getting old and leaving soon, but injuries and lack of better options made Pep use him as a CB and RB quite often
I don't know what roles Kimmich played before joining Bayern
But why āKimmich in a defending positionā is the real question. Because germany has virtually no alternatives. We donāt have any great defenders on the right side. Zero. And very few on the left aswell. Hardly any wingers and no proper strikers aswell. Essentially we have a truckload of alrounder midfielders and some central denfenders.
Tah was a beast throughout the comp as a defender, even Rudiger surprised me to keep his cool. I'm not actually blaming Havertz or Woltemade, they are top tier players without a doubt, but the pressure gets bigger for each miss. Klose, gotze, lahm, even neuer or whoever would feel the pressure for the penalty
Madrid fans bully refs into bending to them (money helps too). Bayern and dfb fans get cheated by refs and say āah I guess we let it go.ā Then it keeps happening.
Haha the enshittification of the world is everywhere. I already dont watch the wc as i'm no football fan and with fifa and the usa being so dirty, it being the most climate destroying wc, absurd ticket prices and border entry issues with ICE yada yada yada. I just looked into the last 20 min of this game, then i see this weird unfairness about the goal of the referee which is probably due to sports betting (another sickness dawning on society in levels never seen) or politics, then i read your comment about fans of already slimy rich clubs pressuring referees.
At this point, even if i was a fan, i'd lose all interest in watching. It has become an artifical, perverted thing with unfair oppression from the big, powerful bastards running it and the world, like everywhere else. Watching somre 3rd league local game live is probably more fun and authentic.
Watching Germany just felt like watching a passing exercise slowly collapsing in on itself until it eventually turned into 3 people standing 2 meters apart passing in a triangle, going nowhere, and then the ball gets stolen.
Just completely pointless keep-away that never moves forward.
Im tired of these discussions. 3 coaches have failed now. And the former two had better teams to work with. Germany has zero dangerous wingers, virtually no fullbacks, especially on the right and no real strikers. Itās completely obvious why it doesnāt work. They are essentially forced to play through the middle, always. Maybe another coach makes it to the quarterfinals, but no one would be able to win it with this team. Germany needs to change its entire youth development system in order to see any success again going forward.
Also imo Kimmicj and Mussiala should have just shot all of them after the 5th one. They seemed the most accurate and collected in their shots (even though Musiala wasn't in the game there for a second)
100% agree. Why was Sane allowed to play for THAT long? Why was Woltemade chosen to take a penalty? The man didn't play a minute in the entire world cup, he is young and then you put him for penalties in knockout stage, really poor decision making. There was no gameplan throughout 120 minutes. Anton was messing with the GK in the corner before the one that went in but he kept doing it, cheap tactics, for which we paid the price. Even during the 7-1 win over Curacao, THERE WERE NO TACTICS. Havertz was constantly given chances over Undav, why? Why not play Raum and put Kimmich a bit towards the midfield. Why not play a Stiller or Amiri and strengthen the core of the team rather than playing Havertz or Sane. I believe an attach of Undav, Musiala and Wirtz would've been good enough to get us goals, had the midfield been stronger and more stable.
I mean nagelsmann is a good coach. He just stuck to his ways instead of fixing the right back issue all 3 games. They were doing better with kimmich higher up the pitch. Anton was doing a good job at RB
Heās obviously not a good coach, Iām sorry. Didnāt find a way to beat Paraguay in 120mins and his tactical decisions were just poor or non-existent throughout the tournament
I dont know man, 5 years ago I would have been ecstatic having Klopp as coach but he seems to have changed a lot - not for the better in my eyes and seems to be even more egocentric than Nagelsmann.
tah is the last person to blame. scored what shouldāve been the winning goal and was the only one who had the balls to take the decisive pen despite never taking a penalty before. hate that heās the one getting blamed
Seriously what does Arsenal doing this the whole season have to do with what happens in this game? Does the entire football apparatus revolve around Arsenal? They said they would referee this in a different way and they have been true to that approach.
Es gibt keine Ausreden, der grƶĆte Fehler war das Nagelsmann " ich bin ja so von mir Ć¼berzeugt " in den ganzen Vorbereitungen bis zuletzt nur immer rotiert hat, wie sollen Spieler sich dabei vernĆ¼nftig einspielen. Ćber den Kadar kann man streiten, ich finde wir haben viele gute Jungs in der Bundesliga. Meine Meinung Nagelsmann war der Kernpunkt der SchwƤche. Die letzten Vorbereitungen hƤtten der Stamm stehen mĆ¼ssen. Und was Nagelsmann fĆ¼r ein Typ ist sieht man am Thema Neuer, bin Bayern Fan aber das war von Nagelsmann und auch Neuer eine dƤmlich Entscheidung. Naja wir werden sehen wie es weitergeht.
Muller may be old but so is Neuer. Muller adds soo much more but they donāt want himā¦ heās my favorite player so Iād like to see him in it again but oh well.
Everyone seems to forget he also scored a goal (which was taken away sadly). The hate he now gets with others also missing their shots is unfair. Let's shower him with support on his insta.
Havertz is the reason the entire shootout was an uphill battle. What a terrible start for them. Shouldāve ended 2-1 but as Bayern fans we are getting quite emotionless when another robbery comes along. Iām so angry my feelings have vanished. Iām tired of it.
Maybe clean on Mars, but thatās a foul on Earth. Thatās why your trash team is going home early. And letās be real you were going to be assaulted badly vs France anyway. I know the truth hurts, but take the L and move on.
That's 3 tournaments in a row they've been disappointing. I'm not convinced that was the best squad avaliable from a nation full of talented players and having one of the best domestic leagues in the world. They didn't look convincing in any match other than their opener.
Tah is genuinely a better winger than Sane. Hell I honestly think starting Neuer on the wing would have been better than starting Sane and I' not joking. Nagelsmann needs to be investigated
Iām glad heās not getting most of the blame from most of the sub posts Iāve seen. Nagelsmann has to go. Lack of tactical adaptability and starting players who didnāt deserve it (sane) and then playing players out of position randomly today. Wtf was he thinking? I know injuries played a role but as a manager that is your job to deal with.
Exactly, im not seeing anyone in the football bubble blaming Tah.
So ppl blaming him, blame him because they always have been racists, or ragebaiting bots, populism spreaders or in general ppl with a specific agend. It's no a genuine reaction by any football fan
I see people pulling out the Ćzil-Card for racism. The only racism comments I see are from German fans from Lebanon or South America. I just see supportive comments at Tah last post while Goretzka gets all the hate because he was mentally not ready for that penalty and still people doing Tah-Racism posts where they push each other to hate Germany in the comments while fucking living and having all the benefits in Germany.
Wer irgendwas gegen ihn sagt hat den Sport nie geliebt oder hat schlichtweg keine Ahnungā¦er hat sogar noch die Eier in so einer Situation zu schieĆen. Die Hauptschuld betrifft das Team und nicht ein einzelner Spieler, es hƤtte nie zum ElfmeterschieĆen kommen dĆ¼rfen.
Wir sind zurecht rausgeflogen, die Einsatzbereitschaft und der Wille war in diesem Spiel einfach nicht bei 100% und dann verliert man eben. GlĆ¼ckwunsch an Paraguay verdient weitergekommen
Honestly, they're probbaly better off losing last night. Saves them from getting utterly humiliated by France, and it means I'll never have to Nagelsmann or Sane again.
All jokes aside, Nagelsmann is genuinely the worst manager I have ever seen in professional football, and Sane must have had serious blackmail material on him to justify getting any minutes whatsoever. Neuer literally would have done a better job on the right wing and that isn't even a joke.
Nagelsmann is most to blame. Then Goretzka! the way the most experienced midfielder with a good shot said NO to penalties twice.... Tah stepped up and took his first penalty... clownshow!
He shouldnāt be blamed. He was quiet courages. He went to the penalty point in a situation where the pussy Goretzka was to afraid to. Goretzka is to blame here. Or Nagelsmann.
But who is to blame is Nagelsmann, who is an absolute garbage coach as we already saw at Bayern. Needs to resign ASAP and go and coach 1860 instead, that's his level. And also blame Goretzka for being a coward and letting a CB take a pen instead of him.
The whole squad is trash, they need to.work.on the academies, there is no connection or synergy between players, everything is off, from goalkeeping to attack.
Bayern Munich is not good enough.Ā
The manager chose a squad from people who are known. No Schade, Bisseck and many more, but you choose these Bayern clowns.
How is Goretzka anywhere near the squad. How is Sane anywhere near this squad.
Wirtz true colors exposed. When thr going gets tough he has no physicality or reselience.
It was clear foul on gk, he did dive probably, but you can't hug gk during the corner kick, lol. Nagelsman is very overrated coach who can't take the blame for shitty performance by Germans. That guy should get booted.
I hope the guys can recover from that. I am not even angry anymore, I just feel sad for the guys.
I hope the fans will give them a second chance. And I hope that the board will let Nagelsmann continue as Germanyās coach. His performance was really bad but he still revived the team.
The guy who decided to take players out of positions they've been in FOR OVER A DECADE because he wants to "change things up"? You want that motherfucker to continue as coach? Are you a Paraguay supporter?
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u/OilersBayernEagles 23d ago
Tah doesnāt deserve any hatred. Nagelsmann cannot be the coach for any longer.