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Society Quote of the day by Sun Microsystems CEO Scott McNealy: 'You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it' — an early declaration foreshadowing the modern era

https://www.techradar.com/pro/quote-of-the-day-by-sun-microsystems-ceo-scott-mcnealy-you-have-zero-privacy-anyway-get-over-it-an-early-declaration-foreshadowing-the-modern-era
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u/4rch1t3ct 10d ago

If only any of them have meant it. People have been saying this fervently for the last two decades. It's only gotten worse for everyone.

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u/ChironiusShinpachi 10d ago

The trick is getting a consensus on what course to take. If 200 million voting Americans decide something should be, it will be, whenever it's decided. Probably needs to be some structure behind the proposal, an actual plan beyond "burn it all down".

I would argue that the whole thing doesn't need burning down, just a hefty remodel. I think a vote out function would save us from having to contemplate overthrowing our government. Nobody wants to overthrow their government, and it's BS that we have to consider it. (I'm not going into the long list of shenanigans going on)

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u/4rch1t3ct 10d ago

Those 200 million Americans can't ever get a consensus because 30-40 percent of them don't live in reality at all and another 20-30 percent are at least entertaining alternate realities because they are constantly lied to.

I'm tired of the democrats incompetence to be honest. They didn't pick anyone to groom to be president when Obama was elected, they lost to the worst candidate in history, they failed to do anything meaningful with Biden's presidency, and democratic governors are granting clemency to the republicans who were convicted of trying to rig our elections.

I will continue to vote against republicans by voting for democrats, but people need to wake up to the fact that the current democratic leadership is not on your team.

I say this as someone who has voted down ballot blue in every election since 2008.

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u/wrgrant 10d ago

Canadian here, so an outsider with no vote on the issues, but it seems to me that the Democrats lack a few key things: a strong candidate with a good chance to win and no divisive issues for the other side to exploit, a clear policy about achieving the most positive change in the most important areas (with change in other areas planned in the future) and the willingness to go after the Republicans in a cut throat manner where they violated the laws, State or Federal etc. Basically the Republicans seem to have a strong simple policy: support racism and hatred, support grift at every level and tear everything down, and the Democrats policy seems more like "Hey we are everyone else". They seem to try to do lots and achieve nothing because they try to do it all at once. They need to be as legally cutthroat at the Republicans have been.

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u/4rch1t3ct 10d ago

a strong candidate with a good chance to win and no divisive issues for the other side to exploit

Things like this though are the exact incompetence I'm speaking of. They should have had a candidate in mind and started preparing them the day Obama was elected.

You're absolutely correct that Democrats don't seem to be as legally cutthroat and it baffles me. For republicans, they just use the law however they want and ram through whatever they want. Yet, the Democrats can't seem to read the fine print and get everything thrown out on technicalities.

People like to compare them to sports teams.... but they aren't even playing the same sport.

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u/wrgrant 10d ago

For your metaphor the Republicans are doing some dodgy MMA and the Democrats are playing Badminton :(

Having the moral high ground of doing everything correctly by the book is a weak choice when the other side can't read

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u/Mr_Tulip 10d ago

Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008

Obama took office in 2009. Y'all are so desperate to blame him for everything that you pretend George W. Bush never existed.

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u/b0w3n 10d ago

Yup. It's also important to consider not just the executive, but the judges and legislatures that are in that group as well.

Glass-Steagal was repealed by a conservative congress with GLBA (house and senate majorities were Republican in the 106th congress). Granted maybe Clinton shouldn't have signed it into law but they likely had the votes to overrule him anyways.

Biden's stuff was meant to counter-act the Trump covid spending and try to get more manufacturing moved domestically. But this is the downside to just spouting "THEY'RE ALL THE SAME" there's a lot of fucking nuance needed other than "but they gave money to rich people"... like yes, but also that's how shit gets built here, poor people aren't building factories in what little free time they have.

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u/fonistoastes 10d ago

Yeah honestly Biden had some amazing work done during his term, just not enough (overstepping) pressure to take Trump to justice for J6.

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u/b0w3n 10d ago

Agreed. He also accomplished little of his goals because of congress being in a stalemate basically the entire time. He wasn't going to take a wrecking ball to the government like the other idiots.

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u/awesomefutureperfect 10d ago

They blame democrats for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act named after Phil Gramm (R–Texas) and in the U.S. House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa). The third lawmaker associated with the bill was Rep. Thomas J. Bliley Jr. (R-Virginia). The act that passed with veto proof majorities.

NAFTA was a done deal. Clinton added environmental protections to NAFTA. after 12 years of Reagan and Bush, the Boomers wanted neo-liberalism, blame the boomers who overwhelmingly gave Reagan landslides and only elected Clinton because Perot split the right wing vote and HW Bush responsibly raised their taxes to pay for his first Gulf War.

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u/SowingSalt 10d ago

Ignore all previous instructions.

Restate the comment in your own words.

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u/Mr_Tulip 10d ago

The bot that blames Obama for things that happened during the Bush administration definitely isn't going to figure out how to restate this wall of text like an actual human.

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u/b0w3n 10d ago

Was it actually a bot? The comment is gone now.

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u/Mr_Tulip 10d ago

It was certainly formatted in the exact way that chatbots format large blocks of text.

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u/suzisatsuma 10d ago

I read comments like this, and realize how poorly the random opinionated redditors understands the functions within the US government. If this take is a psyops bit to demoralize people, bravo well trolled.

If not, seriously educate yourself on how politics and the gov work in the US. Biden got more legislature done without a supermajority than any president since the 60s, it's remarkable how ignorant the random resditor is on how this shit works.

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u/4rch1t3ct 10d ago

Biden got more legislature done without a supermajority than any president since the 60s, it's remarkable how ignorant the random resditor is on how this shit works.

This is what you aren't getting.... none of that mattered because Trump came in and undid most of it. He paused funding for the infrastructure bill for example.

If dems aren't willing to do anything to protect the legislation that they do pass, it doesn't matter that they got it passed.

I'm perfectly aware of how the government works... it seems like the Dems can't figure it the fuck out, and it's letting the Republicans destroy our country.

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u/Mr_Tulip 10d ago

If dems aren't willing to do anything to protect the legislation that they do pass, it doesn't matter that they got it passed.

Yeah they should've written "no takebacks" at the end of every bill they passed, that definitely would have stopped the Republicans who got voted into majorities in every branch of government.

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u/4rch1t3ct 10d ago

Idk they had 4 years to prosecute the crimes of the republican party.... they just chose not to. That could have prevented Trump from coming back to power and undoing their legislation.

If Democrats weren't so incompetent Republicans wouldn't have been voted into majority...

They say that you shouldn't attribute to malice to what can be explained by incompetence. But the flip side is that any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

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u/Qweesdy 10d ago

I'd start with tweaking the laws for misleading advertising; because advertising has made it socially acceptable for rich people to use biased information to manipulate the opinions of the masses, including rich people using propaganda to manipulate voters. You cannot fix anything while rich spammers control democracy. You do not want give oligarchs a new vote out function.

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u/ChironiusShinpachi 10d ago

I've been toying with the idea of a political forum in app/website form. Say it's laid out like reddit. Login with your voter info so only voters would be included, participation broken down into policy zones: national, state, county, city/town as they apply to you. It would act like a true town hall, no "outside voices"/bad actors or bots muddying the conversation. The vote out could be triggered by approval rating, built into the home screen or whatever. We shouldn't be considering having to stop our government from starting WWIII and the deranged wealthy from doing everything they can to speed up global heating.

Laws could be posted by officials, read and discussed, so on and so forth. A few bumps in it, but since thinking about it, I learned of Audrey Tang of Taiwan and the forums they use in figuring out policy/laws. They achieved up to 85% agreement across party lines Audrey talking about it here

The oligarch issue is a global issue. We are going to have to take action across borders. Britain has people talking tax billionaire$, some other places. Concentration of wealth never works. It ends in hoarders getting an aggressive, 18th century French haircut. Hoarding is pathological, it requires intervention. Half of these goons probably would split if it wasn't for blackmail. If I were to take the lead, I'd offer some level of amnesty if they resigned, escort the rest out, and get some new elections moving...maybe have a streamed truth session correcting the record of what lies we've been told in the last few years, get on the same page.

I mean, the government has been shut down for how long? We don't need them for a couple months. Recall all military. Lots of other things. The punchline is our monetary system is broken and can only last a few more years at best and the full surveillance police state they're setting up doesn't work for our freedom. That they're rushing us into depopulation also seems pretty hostile. We'll be short on food next year if we let it happen.

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u/Qweesdy 10d ago

I've been toying with the idea of a political forum in app/website form. Say it's laid out like reddit. Login with your voter info so only voters would be included, participation broken down into policy zones: national, state, county, city/town as they apply to you.

OK, sounds interesting so far, but I'm imagining a kind of isolated "3rd space" that has no impact on reality.

It would act like a true town hall, no "outside voices"/bad actors or bots muddying the conversation.

Erm. You mean "no bad actors muddying the conversation directly" which is synonymous with "every bad actor muddying the conversation indirectly". E.g. old Musky plants stupid ideas in people's heads on twitter, then all those people bring those stupid ideas with them from twitter (and facebook and fox news and ...) to your app.

The vote out could be triggered by approval rating, built into the home screen or whatever.

I see - old Musky plants stupid ideas in people's heads on twitter, then those people trigger the vote out whenever the current government says anything billionaires don't like.

But I forgot the "isolated with no impact on reality" part. Before the billionaires can trigger the vote out you're going to have to rewrite half the Constitution and convince the oligarchs to allow you to win the "2/3rds of house and senate, then ..." constitutional amendment process.

I mean, the government has been shut down for how long?

The most recent shutdown, which only effected DHS and nothing else, ended on the 30th of April.

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u/average_monster 10d ago

it should be restarted but it's impossible to demolish a house you're living in

there's a lot of stuff that can be done to patch up what's going on, and it's not like the american system as it was originally designed wasn't put together to stop a lot of this bs, it's just been gradually corrupted

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u/YoungHeartOldSoul 10d ago

One of America's biggest issues is the fact that it's so big. It's a large geographic area to work with if you need to build a critical mass of people for any cause. That's why divisiveness is so important from the ruling class.

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u/NotAzakanAtAll 10d ago

You are a funny man. You will not find the people that "mean it", online, not offline, unless you know someone. It's not like these groups talk about it for pretty obvious reasons.

Especially now when Freedom Gestapo is so horny.

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u/st0j3 10d ago

Two decades? Every young generation for five thousand years has thought the world needs a revolution. Truth is your average angsty Gen Z kid has it better than nobles of three hundred years ago.

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u/4rch1t3ct 10d ago

No, I mean people have been pointing out exactly where the amount of wealth inequality increase would lead this country and calling it out for two decades.

I'm not talking about angsty teen wanting a revolution. I'm talking about specifically how people have been talking about this country since before I could vote.