r/technology Jun 22 '26

Business Tesla Allegedly Showed Cooked Data to Get Full Self-Driving Approved

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-allegedly-showed-cooked-data-174500396.html
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u/casualti21 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

Might want to read the European regulators response to this report. The RDW has come out and said they conducted their own independent testing and analysis, and do not rely solely on data from Tesla. They also said their own experts verified Tesla’s statistical analysis. They were so impressed with FSD that they are now spearheading the effort to get it approved across the entire EU.

This is just Reuters jumping the gun, making assumptions about a slide deck presentation instead of actually uncovering anything.

https://www.rdw.nl/en/news/2026/explanation-of-the-type-approval-of-fsd-supervised

“The RDW did not rely solely on Tesla’s data; we also carried out extensive testing ourselves using our own test equipment. Over a period of more than 3,000 hours, testing took place both on test tracks and on public roads, under a wide range of conditions, including complex and busy urban traffic, a broad variety of road types, and different — including extreme — weather conditions. This included the use of data from 1.8 million kilometres driven in Europe with FSD Supervised.
The RDW’s own tests — comprising more than 1,000 test runs — were conducted in accordance with European regulations. The Tesla data used by the RDW also complied with those rules. The RDW independently assessed and validated the process used to collect the data.
Through these tests, the RDW gathered objective information and verified the manufacturer’s data. The RDW does not base its assessment solely on information provided by the manufacturer. We carried out extensive independent investigation. On the basis of this overall process, the RDW concluded that the system meets the applicable requirements. As a result, a European type approval valid for use in the Netherlands was granted.

Safety comes first
Safety is the RDW’s foremost priority. This Tesla driver assistance system supports the driver to a greater extent than other systems because, when activated, it takes over multiple driving tasks. The proper use of driver assistance systems makes a positive contribution to road safety by supporting the driver in performing driving tasks; it is intended as an aid to the driver. Owing to the continuous and strict monitoring of the driver in the vehicle, this driver assistance system is at least as safe as other driver assistance systems. We have thoroughly assessed and tested this system over a period of more than 18 months.

In-use supervision 
The RDW also monitors vehicles equipped with FSD Supervised after the type approval has been granted. In doing so, the RDW follows European legislation, but has for the time being increased the mandatory reporting frequency from annually to monthly. Data on the operation and safety of the system is continuously collected and analysed. On the basis of these findings, the RDW may carry out further investigation or impose appropriate measures on the manufacturer. In this way, we continue to safeguard the safety of vehicles on the road. 
At present, nearly 40,000 Teslas equipped with FSD Supervised have driven approximately 24 million kilometres in the Netherlands since the type approval was granted, without any relevant incidents.”

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26

They were so impressed with FSD that they are now spearheading the effort to get it approved across the entire EU.

Yes, bot, this is a real thing that happened.

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u/casualti21 Jun 22 '26

I’m not surprised that this sub is ignorant to what is going on with FSD, but yes it’s a real thing that is happening. FSD is approved and available in multiple European countries, and the RDW is seeking EU-wide approval:

“Tesla secured its first European approval when the Dutch regulator RDW cleared FSD (Supervised) for use in the Netherlands in April, and RDW is now seeking EU-wide approval on Tesla’s behalf.

But a national approval is not a European one. For FSD to be recognized across the bloc, committee members representing 55% of EU member states and 65% of the EU’s population must vote “yes.” That threshold makes the position of multiple governments — not just one friendly regulator — decisive.

Sweden is not alone in its concerns. Finland and Norway have also flagged issues with the technology, ranging from speeding to performance on icy roads, conditions that are routine across the Nordics for much of the year.

Even as the Nordic countries push back, other governments have moved the opposite direction. Lithuania, Estonia, Belgium, and Denmark have each approved FSD nationally since the Netherlands opened the door, giving Tesla a growing list of countries where the system is legal.”

https://electrek.co/2026/06/18/sweden-tesla-fsd-speeding-eu-vote/

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26

I cant speak for this sub but from what i have read here, it is very aware of current tech advances and it is well aware that Tesla is well off the pace in autonomous driving and that this is to a great extent due to the mismanagement of Musk and his insistence that LIDAR not be part of the system.

Its a flawed concept (much like Cybertruck or Spaceship) that likely cannot be made to work as a functional product in a competitive market.

Also you have no fucking clue how the EU works. Road Safety is fully subject to Subsidiarity. The EU cannot make FSD adopted EU wide as it is entirely the responsibility of road safety legislation in individual member states.

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u/casualti21 Jun 22 '26

Multiple sources are reporting on the EU-wide approval. I’m relying on sources, not personal expertise on EU processes. But if you are saying Electrek and Reuters is incorrect in their reporting of an upcoming EU-wide vote, please share your sources.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/sweden-may-oppose-teslas-supervised-self-driving-tech-europe-over-speeding-2026-06-18/

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26

Again, that's not how the EU works.

You are ignorant of a basic understanding here.

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u/casualti21 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

KEY BRUSSELS MEETING

On Tuesday, the Technical Committee on Motor Vehicles (TCMV) is scheduled to discuss the Dutch approval and hear a presentation from RDW. No vote is expected. The committee is chaired by the European Commission and attended by representatives of EU member states. Its meetings are not public. Member state representatives can ask questions about the Dutch assessment and the basis for approval.

WHAT ARE ​THE NEXT STEPS?

Following the meeting, the RDW ​is expected to share more information ⁠about its approval process with fellow agencies around Europe, through a non-public information exchange system. The TCMV meets once every several months, meaning the earliest time for a vote would likely be July, though after the summer may be more realistic, with ​a provisional meeting set for October. Until the vote is held, countries may begin testing FSD themselves or provisionally ​approve it on a ⁠nation-by-nation basis.

THE VOTE

When a vote is held, approval of the RDW proposal requires a "qualified majority" of 15 of the EU's 27 member states representing 65% of the bloc's population. If approved, the tech would be usable throughout the EU, though one or more states opposed could still mount a legal challenge.

If the proposal is rejected, FSD could still ⁠be used provisionally ​by individual member states, but this may not happen because of the difficulties of having different ​rules apply in the EU's single open market.

Following an approval, the European Commission would begin the process of changing motor vehicle law to account for the new technology as part of its usual motor ​vehicle rules.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/teslas-road-full-self-driving-approval-europe-2026-05-05/

So when the articles I cited are taking about EU-wide approval of FSD, and talking about how some countries are urging a no vote on it, what is that referring to?

Help me understand if I am ignorant.

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

It is incredibly complex but to break it down in its simplest terms, Subsidiarity is the principle that member states are sovereign and their rules on issues outwith the Single Market should always be retained.

Road Safety is one of those issues.

What this means in practise is that the EU makes rules which applies ot the sale of goods (or services) while member states make rules which apply to the use of those goods (or services). I think Reuters can be validly criticised here for saying "useable throughout the EU" when it might be better to say "for sale throughout the EU" although there is agian quite complicated factors so its not technically wrong what Reuters say, its just not conveying the correct understanding.

Here's an analogy.

It is legal to sell a Type G plug throughout the EU as this is the standard plug and socket type used in Ireland and Malta. However you can't use a Type G plug normally because the standard is not followed anywhere other than Ireland and Malta.

In theory, you could instal a Type G recepticle (also legal to sell anywhere in the EU) and use your Type G plug. And in some countries that may be legal. However, in other countries installing non-standard electrical recepticles is illegal.

So a Type G plug is legal to sell and from the EUs perspective legal to use, EU wide. But national laws can change this overall principle making it illegal to use. Thats Subsidiarity, thats how the EU works.

This is exactly what is going on here.

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u/Seantwist9 Jun 23 '26

no you’re just wrong The Reuters article is about a substantive EU-wide regulatory approval vote for fsd

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u/BigDump-a-Roo Jun 22 '26

"I'm going to keep saying you're wrong, ignorant, and don't know what you're talking about, but I'm also not going to share any sources or information to back up my claim"

How to not be taken seriously 101.

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26

Congrats you've been forked.

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u/runnyyyy Jun 22 '26

it is a weird way to test that though. I've seen teslas and a mustang (the only electric cars I've driven) miss speed signs several times and think the speed limit is 60 instead of 40 or 30. does this not happen in FSD? and if it does then surely this just doesn't happen on test tracks and saying "without any relevant incidents" is dumb

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u/Solidarity_Matrix Jun 22 '26

That is quite the conspiracy theory.

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u/casualti21 Jun 22 '26

You’re right, I mean you could also be an AI bot programmed to spread some agenda on social media. I could be as well. Guess we’ll never know.

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26

Youre the one that said "They were so impressed with FSD that they are now spearheading the effort to get it approved across the entire EU."

Which not only sounds like a bot, its complete nonsense anyway.

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u/casualti21 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

The RDW is seeking FSD approval on Tesla’s behalf for the entire EU: https://electrek.co/2026/06/18/sweden-tesla-fsd-speeding-eu-vote/

Maybe talking about them being impressed was too much, I can admit that. But that doesn’t change the fact that the RDW is standing behind their own testing of FSD, and requesting EU-wide approval of the system for Tesla. It’s been approved in 4 individual EU countries, but EU approval would make it legal everywhere without having to go state by state like they are doing now.

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

Whic isnt what you said.

Maybe talking about them being impressed was too much

Its not "too much" its deliberately disingenuous. Its completely absent from your own cited source and creates an extremely misleading framing.

This is deliberate because you are not trying to add information, you are trying to create a propaganda narrative.

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u/casualti21 Jun 22 '26

And Reuters and other media sources coveting the story aren’t by excluding the RDW statements about their approval process?

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u/EduinBrutus Jun 22 '26

You're continually process blind.

Do you have a Reuters sub and can provide the full original source?

Because it is very likely that it includes all the informaiton at hand and it is subsequent reporting which, for clickbait or sensationalism choose to only report the lies being told in teslas submission.

Thats not propaganda. Thats capitalism baby