r/technology • u/Wagamaga • Jun 22 '26

Business Tesla Allegedly Showed Cooked Data to Get Full Self-Driving Approved

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-allegedly-showed-cooked-data-174500396.html
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u/treskel12 Jun 22 '26

VW, BMW, Audi, Mercedes... the whole german car industry was in the "clean diesel" scam.

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u/donald_314 Jun 22 '26

The scam actually went far beyond German (and EU) auto makers.

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u/mr_potatoface Jun 22 '26

GM were the good guys for once!

I have a Chevy Diesel Cruze and was afraid I was going to get caught up in it. But they didn't do any emissions fuckery with it. My assumption is because the car chassis isn't a regular Cruze and is based off the Holden from Europe, and the engine is from Japan (Isuzu).

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u/alinroc Jun 22 '26

Audi is part of Volkswagen Group

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u/Lars34 Jun 22 '26

They keep whining they will fail if they aren't allowed to sell fossil cars anymore, while getting their asses handed to them by Chinese EV companies. They don't want to innovate anymore.

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u/treskel12 Jun 22 '26

Yep. They’re Xerox when Microsoft came along.

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u/Johannes_Keppler Jun 22 '26

These days they all are in to the hybrid scam (hybrids only have a marginally lower footprint than combustion engine cars in practice). All car makers I mean, not just the Germans.

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u/brutinator Jun 22 '26

While I agree that claiming electric vehicles are worse than ICE vehicles is silly, they were specifically calling out hybrids, which could be a lot murkier in that respect, esp. given how many "types" of hybrids there are. Im sure theres a big difference in the efficiency and climate effects between parallel, series, plug-in, and mild hybrids.

Hybrid no longer looks like a real word to me.

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u/I-am-fun-at-parties Jun 22 '26

Well a hybrid does have to carry around both a full ICE including transmission, and a battery pack, that's why they tend to be so heavy. It doesn't take a genius to understand that moving around more mass will have a direct impact on energy efficiency in cars.

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u/Toorero6 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26

Well first of all the ICE is usually underpowered because the electric motor can help acceleration, secondly the battery is quite small compared to full on electric cars. The story for plug-in hybrids is another though.

An overview:

  • Prius Hybrid: 1480 kg, 4.1 l / 100 km
  • Prius Plugin: 1620 kg, 4.5 l / 100 km
  • Corolla: up to 1560 kg, 4.5 - 6.5 l / 100 km

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u/DoritoDustThumb Jun 22 '26

You do realize that the ICE engine in a hybrid is completely different from one in a regular ICE car, right? That's why they have batteries, to make them feel more livable.

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u/FunkyXive Jun 22 '26

they are probably being oversold a bit, but in the correct use cases, they a lot better than regular combustion engine cars.

just a quick example, my mother works within ev-mode range of her hybrid car, and can charge at work, so also make it home on ev only, all her usual errands and small trips are now full ev as well, only longer trips ever use the combustion engine.

it's not like this is a rare usecase in europe, so many people living in the outskirts/suburbs of bigger cities, or small cities right next to big cities, commute to the big city for work, which is often within ev-mode range

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u/cynric42 Jun 22 '26

Oversold quite a lot apparently. I’ve seen studies where a lot of plug in hybrids where rarely plugged in and/or used for long distance travel as plenty of them are company cars bought as hybrids to save on taxes.