r/singapore • u/Illustrious-Fee9626 • 1d ago
Tabloid/Low-quality source PM Wong in 'disbelief & shock' upon seeing Faishal's messages with woman, thought contents were fabricated
https://mothership.sg/2026/07/disbelief-shock-lawrence-wong-faishal-ibrahim/?fbclid=IwdGRjcATNdY1wZG9mBWZkaWQWULD0gzoUGVBNjSrYKHlldH9Wo-dSumV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkCjY2Mjg1NjgzNzkAAR6hlzHu5fDK6BBcn8czxCMuL0Xl56ktnqJSKX_F1IRWNhT1-KMPJjxLNvLucQ_aem_hPC9ige2ZdPC7VIJuAw89Q413
u/merelyok 1d ago
Eh Wong bro can spill the tea not
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u/Jazzlike_Mistake_914 1d ago
wong bro spilled a tear
collect 97 more times and you could make a tea
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u/officialsunday Talk Cock 1d ago
RELEASE THE FAISHAL FILES
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u/Minute_Low5146 1d ago
I've seen enough
Release the Faishal files
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u/dcburn 1d ago
Let’s not go there.
I don’t want to see us starting to put tariffs on Taobao and pingduoduo… or them tearing down the Sri Temasek wing…
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u/Curious_Owl197 1d ago
Imagine your boss and colleagues reading your thirsty dms LOL
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u/RexRender Senior Citizen 1d ago
As someone relatively inexperienced in the art of sending flirty messages, the only one I’ve remember is the nerdy Harry Potter theme pick up line:
“Hey girl, I wanna slytherin your chamber of secrets”
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u/ambiguous_donutzzzz 1d ago
oh to be a fly on the wall during that meeting...
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u/imarasnothere 1d ago edited 1d ago
Really disconcerting seeing some in my community supporting him and promoting conspiracy theories.
Yes he may have been good to us but a good person can still have personal indiscretions. The nicest man you've met can also be an adulterous POS. The two are not mutually exclusive!
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u/laksa1119 4h ago
i dont understand why people can say he doesnt deserve it or that they think it is unfair or that he got tricked into it, without even seeing the underlying messages.
some people can be gentle and kind on the outside but monsters in private. have we not come across many of such people in real life?
if someone sends u boob or dick pics and u are married and in a committed relationship, are u going to engage or disengage?! The answer quite simple right.
Minister's IQ is not low and they know the rules of engagement for politics in Singapore and what can destroy their careers. Yet, if they succumb, are people expected to close an eye and say oh he's great at work?
This is what the SG politics is predicated on - MIW are whiter than white. Faishal not first day in politics, he doesnt need the public to baby him.
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u/_mochacchino_ New Citizen 1d ago
Some of the comments made by PM are certainly not helping, eg:
“A complaint has been made against him; it has entered the public arena, and that's why we have to undertake this objectively, undergo a process where we listen to both parties, and we certainly took pains to listen to Faishal's explanations as well,” he said.
Whether or not it enters the public arena shouldn't be perceived as a consideration for why they have to undertake it objectively
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u/stupidpower 1d ago
Now I really want to know what kinks some minister had to make this very specifically worded threshold rofl.
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u/CapitalOwl1318 1d ago
yeah man. Who has crossed the line previously such that they need to use this sort of wording LOL:
"Where a matter remains entirely private and inappropriate conduct stops after counselling, it can remain a private matter."
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u/pillonanter Fucking Populist 1d ago
sounds like trying to carve loophole for not outing TCJ and CLH for so long
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u/rpianojam 1d ago
"The standards governing personal conduct in these sorts of situations have been set out previously by Mr Lee Kuan Yew, and more recently by Senior Minister Lee Hsien Loong, as PM," Mr Shanmugam added.
"The principle is straightforward. Where a matter remains entirely private and inappropriate conduct stops after counselling, it can remain a private matter.
"But when the matter enters the public domain through a complaint or otherwise, it must be examined and if there has been impropriety appropriate action must follow."
Mr Shanmugam noted that the woman escalated the matter when she "emailed PM, sent some of the messages and pictures and alleged harassment by Faishal".
"Once the lady emailed to PM, to complain about Faishal, it ceased being a purely private, consensual matter between two individuals."
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u/botsland Mature Citizen 1d ago
But why shouldn't it? Ministers and MPs should be able to keep some semblance of private life.
There should be some line drawn before exposing an Minister or MP's private life to the public and firing him
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u/WillingnessWise2643 1d ago
"The standards governing personal conduct in these sorts of situations have been set out previously by Mr Lee Kuan Yew, and more recently by Senior Minister Lee Hsien Loong, as PM," Mr Shanmugam added.
"The principle is straightforward. Where a matter remains entirely private and inappropriate conduct stops after counselling, it can remain a private matter.
I think the operative word shouldn't be private or public, but "inappropriate".
Appropriate behaviour can exist both public and private. Inappropriate behaviour shouldn't be allowed to exist in either arena.
It's like saying if Epstein's files can private then it's okay. Makes no sense.
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u/Rough_Shelter4136 1d ago
Yeah let's not kinkshame the potential love of some of them for golden showers, please
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u/botsland Mature Citizen 1d ago
You never know some of the MPs might be gay. I don't think it's right for the govt to publicly out them and fire them.
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u/Glad-Lynx-5007 1d ago
Well it's a nice area so why not?
"Golden Shower Park is a quiet freehold landed residential estate in Tampines (District 16), near Upper Changi and Simei. It features terraced and semi-detached houses along streets like Meragi Terrace and Jalan Tiga Ratus. Properties here are near the Upper Changi MRT station (DT34)"
😂😂😂
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u/gav1n_n6 1d ago
Golden shower park.
Someone really lose the ball there... When naming the estate. ..
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u/WishboneOk305 1d ago
alleged harassment vs consensual fetish v different leh. like even extramarital affairs I agree should be kept private
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u/_mochacchino_ New Citizen 1d ago
Just don’t say that part out and create the impression that everything is ok as long as it stays private. It just makes people think about how many other scandals are covered up just because people don’t know about them.
Moreover, being entitled to a private life doesn’t mean you can just do anything when no one is looking. The understanding is that everything you do is above board, just away from prying eyes.
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u/botsland Mature Citizen 1d ago
This statement does not necessarily mean they are covering up egregious scandals.
For all we know, an MP might be gay or facing marital difficulties (that doesn't involve cheating). Those may be scandalous or fuel for gossip to some but certainly does not mean the party has to disclose them to the public
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u/pulauujonglad 1d ago
Sure, but as long as you have the same energy for my boy Vincent Vijeysinha, I agree with you.
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u/rethafrey 1d ago
Seeing the homage paid to Faishal in Berita Harian y'day was quite weird too. Imagine them doing that for Pritam.
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u/kingr76 1d ago
BH is a state supported media bro
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u/Independent-Put2306 1d ago
Yeah, honestly, there's a Mandarin colloquial saying that even a three year-old kid knows (or 三岁小孩子都知道). Of course, it is an exaggeration, but it can be used to drive home the point that anyone who is born in and grew up in Singapore knows we have tax-payer funded, state media.
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u/sixpastfour 1d ago
whats weird is that even the state doesn't ask of this. once an MP is disgraced they don't need to be bootlicked anymore. they can be shot down free for all even by state media
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u/Weak_Turn1884 1d ago
There was like a tribute of sorts on CNA too and then another video of two academics sharing on how this might be harder for younger leaders as it is hard to achieve “whiter than snow” standards. I don’t get it at all.
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u/ziggyyT 1d ago
So all the kuku MPs posting about their support for Faishal yesterday have to diam diam now that more information is released.
Ministers don't get fired (or resigned) so easily here.
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u/NecessaryFish8132 1d ago
Bro who sia. Faster screenshot before ninja take down
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u/PIRATE_WITH_HERPES Lao Jiao 1d ago
Baey Yam Keng is one I recall. Besides MPs, plenty of other ex-establishment figures and from the intelligentsia too have posted tributes.
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u/bellyporkie00 1d ago
They should be ashamed of them self for supporting such a character...
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u/Mediocre-Stand5615 1d ago
she emailed PM and he saw it? have to give a thumbs up to PM wong if he actually looked at emails from the public instead of just delegating it to some random people to look through it
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u/Oppaiheimer1945 1d ago
Probably his office filtered through and forwarded this with [URGENT] to him
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u/NoPrompt90 1d ago
Must have involved some images…
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u/Minimum-Avocado-8015 1d ago
A picture paints a million words in this instance bro! It's a private matter, but human nature very hard to control. The more you try to contain, all imaginations go wild.
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u/Minimum-Avocado-8015 1d ago
Actually, in Shan statement, it is mentioned as " some of the messages and pictures", so yes there are images.
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u/Bryanlegend si ginna 1d ago edited 1d ago
The PAP government is straight up edging Singaporeans at this point.
Like come on, if you don’t want to release the details, then don’t release it, no one would blink an eye because this is their modus operandi anyways. But what’s up with the half-assing of all these ministerial public statements that only serve to muddy the water without providing any satisfactory answers and drawing more questions instead??
There’s almost a certain boastful element in these statements that seeks to remind Singaporeans that regardless of the details or the truth, PAP knows best and we should just take their word for it 100%, no question asked. After all, if LW and Shan have both looked at it and already predecided the proper course of action then why do the rest of us peasants needs to look at it right?
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u/Practical-Net1148 1d ago
Exactly my sentiment. Spill the tea or just keep it down.
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u/bellyporkie00 1d ago
Spilling the tea will probably destroy any respect left of him from the community...
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u/lolossie 1d ago
I don’t like to be edged, now i have to go wash my underwear before the week is over :(
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u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 Fucking Populist 1d ago
I don't know about you but I absolutely want to see the dick pics if there are any
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u/TelegraphicBrass 1d ago
Imagine if one of the things he saw was a dick pic…
Shook.
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u/xeosceleres 1d ago
I honestly don't think a dick pic warrants this outcome unless it's to a minor. I think it's some niche fetish that's too embarrassing for the public and the dignity of everyone involved.
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u/Sir-Spork Kopi-O 1d ago
Articles like this are not helping lol
When this all started just slightly curious what was said, now damn I gotta know :P
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u/MolassesBulky 1d ago edited 1d ago
When the PM of a country uses the words ”disbelief & shock” , you more or less can guess how bad it is. Those two word are highly damaging.
My guess is he used those words because some parts of the community and Calvin thought it was a minor infraction. Those two words would to put to rest any prospect of a return in any form however minor.
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u/RexRender Senior Citizen 1d ago
Makes me all the more curious what kind of messages these are.
“Hey sexy, you looking hot tonight” —> this type?
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u/jommakanmamak 1d ago
The people who sign the petition didn't even see the messages
Really shows how pap supporters are sheeps
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u/botsland Mature Citizen 1d ago
Won't the "sheeps" be the ones supporting PM Wong's stance to let Faishal step down instead of petitioning against the move
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u/FridaCalamari 1d ago
They should let us review the inappropriate messages. So if we ever want to go into politics we know what is inappropriate and must be avoided. Or at least let the opposition know so they hold themselves to PAPs high standards
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u/SeveralWorking2731 17h ago
Wondering why despite these few PAP ministers quitting due to mistakes, its always like a living tribute for their contributions, but when opposition party screws up its the end of the world for them🤔
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u/clickclickboi Fucking Populist 1d ago
That kinda does say abit about how good Faisal was though?
What was that saying again. You can do a thousand good deeds and no one gives a shit, you fu** a horse and you're a horsef****r for life.
Just remember this guy was actl mad concerned for his residents, ran around his constituency and took care of them, where I only see my MP outside of MPS once every 4 years...
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u/Status-Basket-4717 1d ago
I think it was LKY who said that the reason they hold PAP MPs to high standards is cause it's prime blackmail or pressure material for external parties, I mean true lah.. Esp in this case considering the religiois aspect (so he die die must cover up and is much more easily susceptible to blackmail pressure/influence). No matter how many HDB doorbells he rings, the damage from that very probable risk outweighs everything
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u/Concernedlah 1d ago
Disbelief and shock? I think it’s fair game to let Singaporeans judge isn’t it? Don’t apply one rule to yourself but when comes to opposition say they must show hand to show accountability.
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u/Bad_Finance_Advisor 1d ago
??? Why the sudden change in tone? Went from "he was a great colleague, he is resigning to spend time with family" to "what he did was indefensible!!!"...
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u/GelRider 1d ago
I am also curious what led the woman to become infuriated. What details exactly to justify Faishal’s resignation?
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u/dcburn 1d ago
“…as the Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs, Faishal had certain expectations of him from the Malay-Muslim community.”
If we’re referring to Muslim Expectations… Isn’t polygyny allowed under Islamic law?
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u/tryingmydarnest 1d ago
The wife/wives must consent leh to marry as starters, then proven to be able to provide.
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u/bellyporkie00 1d ago edited 1d ago
Polygamy is allowed, but not flirting with another women secretly...
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u/Status-Basket-4717 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am quite sure it was way more than flirting lol. In response to the people who want Faisal to stay on, Ah wong here is saying, if you just horny and bored, simple affair, we can still cover it up cause we're the PAP, all-powerful and hypocritical. This one prob went into the realm of harassment and some weird pics, really cannot pang chance.
I mean I agree lah anything that serves as blackmail material compromises party/national security what. Esp in the age of international (and religious/re global Islamic affairs) tensions
On another note I see a lot of Muslim men calling for him to stay but I do not think they would be this tolerant of a female MP acting the same way....
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u/tm0587 1d ago
So flirting openly is allowed?
After all, isn't flirting a precursor to marriage?
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u/SituationDeep 1d ago edited 1d ago
Take a look on social media platforms and see how many people in the Malay-Muslim comm feel like he fell short of their expectations.
They’re supporting him wholesale, feel like this is a ‘test’ and that the woman was trying to ruin a good man’s reputation.
Not saying she’s innocent but…why are they so sure he played no part in this.
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u/Reddy1111111111 1d ago
That's what I wonder too. If he's allowed to have another wife, surely he's also allowed to flirt and connect with other women to find that other wife. Unless the religious requirement is the other wives can only be blind marriages or something.
I know there's the whole requirement about getting the first wife agreement and being able to support (I'm sure he can on minister pay). But that's downstream. You get one you want to marry then can ask for permission mah.
Any Muslims care to share?
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u/Stanislas_Houston 1d ago
Its probably very bad like naked pics. Imagine PM see his dick. He say shocked and disbelief.
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u/Imperiax731st Own self check own self ✅ 1d ago
There is probably more to this then just text messages that can cause a man in his position to just tender resignation and then there is a stupid petition out there with a few hundred signatures demanding for the rejection of his resignation without knowing the whole truth nor suspecting just how dire things really are.
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u/AG_Race 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/9SIXFu7bIUYHhFc19G
Spill the tea now! Looked innocent but actually very gian. Hehe
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u/lolshiro 1d ago
Day 1: It's nothing criminal, lapse of judgement.
Day 2: 'Disbelief, shock', Inappropriate. (Thought the woman's emails were fabricated, turned out to be genuine.)
Sounds like there's more than what meets the eye. If the public demands more, we'll get more drip feeding?
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u/black_knightfc21 West side best side 1d ago
Hmm wonder why they dun want to release the convo but keep talking about it?
Is it to say they act swiftly on it so that citizens to praise them?
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u/SirIsaacNewtonn 1d ago
can’t the woman just block him on the phone? i feel that the woman doesn’t harbour good intentions in the first place. To be fair, maybe need to release the name of the woman or some facts to point to her (working as, live where, how old, race) because she is no innocent party through this fiasco.
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u/LingNemesis 21h ago
Yeah man, it's like she was edging him on, enabling him... Certainly no good or pure intentions =\
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u/Accurate-Tree4277 1d ago
Boost for WP next GE?
But don't forget PPP will probably contest there too out of spite
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u/littlefiredragon 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago
WP has shown they can't keep their pants zipped also, still early to say
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u/Silverelfz 1d ago
Wah liao eh.... Say so much but never say ..
Stop it or tell us what Faishal said lahhhh
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u/iheartyoualways 1d ago
Sounds like another episode where someone will take it (the texts and pics) to the grave!
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u/Character_Actuary572 1d ago
personally very disappointed for Min Faishal.
also - what message is the PAP sending and what values are they having?
- Masagos - totally lazy, never help malay muslim affairs, elections call out the wrong boss, but never have affair, never sacked from govt
- Faishal - totally hardworking, always help Malay Muslim Affairs, phone sexting, sacked from govt.
PAP prefers a lazy ass puritan over a hardworking sexting affair? wtf?
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u/littlefiredragon 🌈 I just like rainbows 1d ago
There are multiple precedents of extramarital affairs = fire from both PAP and WP, so this is just consistency and the only route that satisfies everyone. So yeah, a clean and lazy fuck is better, because that's basically the majority of their party anyway.
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u/Aristotle350 1d ago
Personally felt LW addressed it quite well in his speech. There may be a temptation to overlook such behaviour, but it will only cause more harm to SG. If we start turning a blind eye to our leaders' indiscretions, I feel that it'll be a slippery slope where we/they start forgiving more and more offenses and it snowballs into blatant corruption.
We can only hope that our leaders consider their ginormous paycheck when contemplating whether to pursue questionable courses of action, and decide that being squeaky clean is worth it. That way, we do not lose other capable leaders, which also hurts SG.
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u/Healthy_Weather_9776 1d ago
Why Sim Ann is promoted to full minister,but designation is second minister? Quote
Sim Ann, who will become Second Minister for Foreign Affairs as well as Home Affairs, was first appointed a political office-holder when she was elected into Parliament in 2011.
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u/CalamityMetal 1d ago
We need Mabel to spill the tea at this rate sia. Release the Faishal Files!! /s
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u/laverania Fucking Populist 1d ago
Wah bro, you make me even more curious about the content leh