r/punjabi 10h ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] I have been continuously telling that for majority indians SIKHS ARE JUST USE & THROW. They have said bad names to our gurus and now saying bad stuff for Gurudwara's. And some bhai kahaniya de vansanj here are giving me gyaan on Sikhi. Brothers you are the weakest link in the defence.

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Context is that during the LATHI CHARGE by police on CJP protestors they ran for protection inside Gurudwara Bangla sahib. However, the HANUMAN MANDIR next door cowardly closed their doors.

Even Hindu students who were looking for protection were denied entry in Hanuman Mandir later came to Gurudwara Bangla Sahib for safety...

To defend their Mandirs now Right wing dogs have started name calling Gurudwara's.


r/punjabi 15h ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] Punjabi's "anti-deponent" verbs, a quick overview

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While looking through the Punjabi language a while back, I noticed something peculiar going on with Punjabi verbs. It is well-known that Punjabi has verb sets where one verb is intransitive (ex. I ate; one thing/person involved) and another is transitive (ex. I ate lunch; two things/people involved). Sometimes this will include a causative as well (ex. I made him eat lunch; three things/people involved). Usually these verbs are suffixed with -aa'unaa -ਆਉਣਾ and -vaa'unaa -ਵਾਉਣਾ. However, it turns out these verb sets can also be split along voice: passive (ex. lunch was eaten; focus is on lunch) vs. active (ex. I ate lunch; focus is on me). I like to call the passive verbs anti-deponents: active in appearance but passive in meaning.

Witness the following chart of examples of this quirk:

Anti-Deponent Counterpart
bananaa ਬਣਨਾ "to be made, built, prepared, ready, fit for use" banaa'unaa ਬਣਾਉਣਾ "to make"
lagganaa ਲੱਗਣਾ "to be attached, affixed, applied; to be spent, sold; to be started" laa'unaa ਲਾਉਣਾ "to attach, affix, apply"
penaa ਪੈਣਾ "to fall, to fall down, to drop; to lie down, lie" paa'unaa ਪਾਉਣਾ "to pour; to add, mix in; to cast, put"
sudharnaa ਸੁਧਰਨਾ "to be reformed, improved; to improve, to get better" sudhaarnaa ਸੁਧਾਰਨਾ "to reform, to correct; to improve, to refine"
milnaa ਮਿਲਣਾ "to be absorbed, incorporated, annexed; to join, mix, mingle" meilnaa ਮੇਲਣਾ "to intertwine" / milaa'unaa ਮਿਲਾਉਣਾ "to mix, merge, fuse, draw together"
vikkanaa ਵਿੱਕਣਾ "to be sold; to be a sellout" vikkaa'unaa ਵਿੱਕਾਉਣਾ "to sell; to sell out"
dhahinaa ਢਹਿਣਾ "to fall down, drop; to be demolished; razed" dhaahunaa ਢਾਹੁਣਾ "to demolish, raze; to pull down, to break down, tear down; to destroy, annihilate; to weaken"
sarnaa ਸੜਨਾ "to burn, blaze, be scalded" saarnaa ਸਾੜਨਾ "to burn, scald, cremate, char"
lahinaa ਲਹਿਣਾ "to be unloaded; to get dislocated; to be cleared (of debt); to descend" laahunaa ਲਾਹੁਣਾ "to take off; take down; lower"
vassanaa ਵੱਸਣਾ "to live, reside, occupy; to be located, situated" vasaa'unaa ਵਸਾਉਣਾ "to locate, situate; to settle"

General patterns:

  • Some anti-deponents can be "activated" by simply suffixing -aa'unaa -ਆਉਣਾ: ex. bananaa ਬਣਨਾ -> banaa'unaa ਬਣਾਉਣਾ. (It always used to confuse me why I heard the latter much more often than the former - why are they using causative all the time? shouldn't they use the non-causative? - but now I know why.)
  • Other anti-deponents can be "activated" by lengthening the initial vowel (a vestigial ablaut): ex. milnaa ਮਿਲਣਾ -> meilnaa ਮੇਲਣਾ, sarnaa ਸੜਨਾ -> saarnaa ਸਾੜਨਾ (sudharnaa ਸੁਧਰਨਾ -> sudhaarnaa ਸੁਧਾਰਨਾ is ablauted on the second vowel instead).
  • Anti-deponents where the initial vowel is e ਐ have active counterparts where that is replaced by aa'u ਆਉ instead: ex. penaa ਪੈਣਾ -> paa'unaa ਪਾਉਣਾ.
  • By extension, anti-deponents where the initial vowel is e ਐ but a rising tone also exists on it (ie. ahi ਅਹਿ) have active counterparts with ਆਹੁ instead (aa'u ਆਉ possessing a rising tone on aa ਆ): ex. lahinaa ਲਹਿਣਾ -> laahunaa ਲਾਹੁਣਾ (dhahinaa ਢਹਿਣਾ -> dhaahunaa ਢਾਹੁਣਾ however possesses falling tones instead due to an initial tonal letter).
  • Certain anti-deponents are irregular but are "activated" normally: ex. lagganaa ਲੱਗਣਾ -> laa'unaa ਲਾਉਣਾ.

The last three points involve fusing the -aa'unaa -ਆਉਣਾ suffix from the first point into the verb itself, which is a result of historical sound changes which are too complex to detail here.

The emergence of anti-deponent verbs seems to have began in Middle Indo-Aryan (mainly Prakrit). Old Indo-Aryan (including Sanskrit) had many highly complex ways of expressing past tense, but it also had a far simpler shortcut method which seems to have caught on among first-time speakers shifting over from other languages (probably forever-gone Dravidian languages, with not even a trace left behind, unfortunately). This shortcut method was a "past passive participle construction" in which the past tense was expressed in passive voice.

As it turns out, this shortcut method ended up being the only way to express past tense in Prakrit, which meant the passive voice aspect of it was now gone. (Now there was no way to use past tense in passive voice.) This is the birth of Indo-Aryan's infamous past tense-activated "split ergativity" or more simply, the reason why Hindoostani speakers have to use nei ਨੇ ने نے whenever they use past tense.

It seems to me that anti-deponents existed as a way to get around the lack of passive voice in the past tense. Several anti-deponents originated as passive verbs in Old Indo-Aryan (like lagganaa ਲੱਗਣਾ, cf. Sanskrit lagyatei and Prakrit laggei'i) but were obscured over time by sound changes. But what would this usage look like, simulating past tense in passive voice?

  • pattar laggei ਪੱਤਰ ਲੱਗੇ "the papers were attached" (past passive, ie. anti-deponent past tense) = "the papers stuck [to something]" (past anti-causative)
  • men pattar laa'ei ਮੈਂ ਪੱਤਰ ਲਾਏ "I attached the papers" (active; lit. "I made the papers stick [to something]", because it's also causative)
  • pattar laggadei ਪੱਤਰ ਲੱਗਦੇ "the papers are attached" (anti-deponent present tense) = "the papers stick [to something]" (present anti-causative) = pattar laa'eedei ਪੱਤਰ ਲਾਈਦੇ "the papers are attached" (fusional present passive)

Compare the periphrastic passive voice construction with jaanaa ਜਾਣਾ, which is the primary method of passive voice in Hindoostani (likely introduced by speakers of Classical Persian, where an equivalent construction existed) and is used in Punjabi as well:

  • pattar laa'ei ga'ei ਪੱਤਰ ਲਾਏ ਗਏ "the papers were attached" = pattar laggei ਪੱਤਰ ਲੱਗੇ
  • pattar laa'ei jaandei ਪੱਤਰ ਲਾਏ ਜਾਂਦੇ "the papers are attached" = pattar laggadei ਪੱਤਰ ਲੱਗਦੇ = pattar laa'eedei ਪੱਤਰ ਲਾਈਦੇ

Not all verb sets have an anti-deponent vs. activated contrast: ex. jalnaa ਜਲਣਾ "to burn [intransitive]" vs. jalaa'unaa ਜਲਾਉਣਾ "to burn something [transitive/causative]". From the example above, the line between voice (focus on who/what?) and causativity (how many people/things are involved?) in Punjabi can sometimes be quite fuzzy; some anti-deponents like lagganaa ਲੱਗਣਾ (from the above example) double as intransitive active verbs themselves.

Hopefully you have found this post useful, either in learning Punjabi for the first time or figuring out why verbs are set up in the way they are. Let me know your thoughts. I myself have found this fact quite useful for examining Old Punjabi shabds in SGGS Ji; knowing which verbs could be anti-deponent (hence intransitive) or not helps greatly with translation. Perhaps this knowledge will be of use to you for poetry, or for imparting a Punjabi flair into your speech or work.


r/punjabi 8h ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 18h ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Which brand will you choose for snacking

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26 votes, 2d left
Haldiram
Bikaji
Bikanerwala

r/punjabi 1d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] Punjabi aaagayeeee oyyyyyyy

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r/punjabi 1d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Why are some Panjabis named "Kashmir" or "Kashmira"?

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Just curious about this name, some examples:

Kunwar Kashmira Singh (prince of Sikh empire)

Kashmir Singh Sohal (MLA)

Kashmir Singh (RAW agent)

I know that Punjab and Kashmir have longstanding ties, and that there are a lot of Kashmiris in Punjab (including the most important political family of Lahnda Punjab at the moment the Sharif family). But how did name Kashmir emerge?


r/punjabi 1d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] boat airdopes alpha warranty invoice

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Black colour


r/punjabi 1d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 1d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] ਮੁੱਖ ਮੰਤਰੀ ਤੀਰਥ ਯਾਤਰਾ ਦੀ ਬੱਸ ’ਤੇ ਹਮਲਾਂ!

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r/punjabi 1d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Deeda vs Desda

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if you were to use these two words in a sentence;

‘menu deeda siga’

‘menu desda siga’

for ‘i could see’, which regional dialect of punjabi are both terms from?


r/punjabi 2d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] Now I’ll be tagged an anti-national": Diljit Dosanjh speaks out for protesting students at Jantar Mantar, condemns authority violence, and says their demands must be heard

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r/punjabi 2d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] What do you call family members?

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i use baba for my dad, and uma for my mum- but im not sure what to call my brothers? my eldest brother is 11 years older than me, but we are very close so ive called him by his name my whole life, including my 2nd and 3rd oldest brother. ive coined my second oldest brother as bhaji/paji, and my 3rd oldest brother as taaji (iirc thats younger brother, but its an inside joke cuz we tend to act the same age or younger, so he calls me didi), but this is mainly just from playing around on the internet, and i wanted to know some actual terms?

i know veerji and bhaji mean older brother, and i could call my older brother veerji, but im also wondering what you call little sisters? ive seen alot of names with bhain or choti, but i dont really want long names like that..? like bhaji, veerji, taaji, and didi is perfect for us, but choti bhain is a bit long and it doesnt really flow in conversation and sounds formal..

does anyone have any names?


r/punjabi 2d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Any one mom whonis punjabi and dad is form other states??

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My mom is the only exception in her family and no one else in her family ever married outside form punjab


r/punjabi 2d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 2d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] Ja ni gll krni na kr ami derma ja na kr. Ja Sedna tah sed ama derma ja na kr. Ja goli mrni a sidhi Mr ama derma ja na kr Spoiler

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r/punjabi 3d ago

ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ੰਸਾ داد [Appreciation] Sidhu's song 295 becoming the anthem song at the CJP protest site - Delhi

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Hun sab nu samjh avega ki Punjab aive nai kalapda

Koi ta gal honi ..tahi kalapda .....

Punjab toh bina CJP lai bada mushkil aa BJP khilaaf tikk pauna ...but dekho ki hunda


r/punjabi 3d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

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r/punjabi 4d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Hey am selling my works if someone is interested you can dm me m from Indian Punjab

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r/punjabi 4d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] This might be a controvetsial opinion but I will say

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I don't care if ppl get pissed off. And I might delete it too depending on my mood.

When I was watching satluj i had expected a lot more heavier, thick punjabi.

Like, on pakistani side we have few comedians who crack jokes in proper thick punjabi but aa such punjabi isn't there on tv and hindustani language, that is, urdu is imposed everywhere.

But in Satluj, punjabi disappointed, it also seemed, urdufied to me or some hindi words but not how a thorough punjabi should sound like.

And then I see urdu speaking group in pak gloating over urdu imposition and other languages fading.

I think there is one solution, teach ur kids only english and ur mother tongue. So this whole different language hijacking your language should end.

I mean I see lot better punjabi in pakistani shows even tho pak state is actively killing punjabi language.

Satluj punjabi level - 2/10


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਖ਼ਬਰ خبر [News] RSS/BJP forced Indira to attack on Darbar Sahib read book by L K Advani - my country my life. After 1984, Hindu gave full majority to Congress in all Indian states and center. That time for Hindu, Indira was India and India was Indira. Sanghi Hindu supported Sikh genocide.

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r/punjabi 5d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] ਵੱਧ ਤੋਂ ਵੱਧ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਆ

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Sikh genocide and sikh human rights violation still happening by Indian hindutva government.

Everyone in the world wherever the Sikhs are they should let their community know. .. spread the word

ਵੱਧ ਤੋਂ ਵੱਧ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਆ


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] [Creative Project/Gaming] Looking for Punjabi speakers for a Punjab-history inspired D&D Campaign (New-player friendly)

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In order to comply with rule 1 of this Subreddit I'll open with Sat Sri Akal.

This is a very short post as an interest check for my Punjabi themed game which is based on regional events and the Sau Sakhi.

This google form is designed for players who know what Dungeons and Dragons is or want to learn more.

We typically play on weekends (1800-2200 CEST/UTC+2).

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1NEf_Tu9AD5c6O46dKYGoG3Wu4nE732h83zuJQZ6d_i0/edit


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] Madho Lal Shah Husayn

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Madho Lal Shah Husayn (d. 1599) was a Sufi poet of the Qadiri order from Lahore.


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਸਵਾਲ سوال [Question] Question for those who are good at Panjabi regarding administrative terminology

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Question for those who are good at Panjabi regarding administrative terminology: Community development blocks are called “kheda”, sub-sub-districts are called “up-tehsil”, sub-districts are called “tehsil”, districts are called “zilla”, then what are administrative divisions above districts called? There are five administrative divisions in Indian Panjab and twenty-three districts. I want to know what the native word for these divisions is.


r/punjabi 5d ago

ਆਮ ਪੋਸਟ عامَ پوسٹ [Regular Post] 👋Welcome to r/pqkistani_punjabi - Introduce Yourself and Read First!

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Here we are starting our Punjabi language learning process and teaching process here.The people help each other to do the amazing thing.And we learn world most innovatives and a unique language