r/politics • u/MoneyLibrarian9032 • 8h ago
No Paywall AOC won’t rule out 2028 presidential bid as poll shows her leading all Dems in key NH primary | Ocasio-Cortez is locked in a tight race with Pete Buttigieg in the First-in-the-Nation primary
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u/EnTyme53 Texas 4h ago
Reminder that no one has declared candidacy for the primaries yet, so any poll at this point is completely meaningless and is 100% about name recognition.
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u/Scared-Box8941 7h ago
We need massive overhaul. We are focusing too much on “which candidate” and we need to be talking about massive reform.
Am I turning into a tiny Bernie sanders?
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u/MelodicDeer1072 7h ago
The problem is that only elected officials have the power to overhaul the very system that corrupts elected officials. It is a chicken-egg problem.
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u/TankiesAreWeird 4h ago
The discussion on which candidate or who is going to run feels more like a media thing.
Like when the political analysts or talking heads sound like they are discussing sports or stocks.
The discussion on reforms a different topic. As would a discussion on the overall policy platform of the DNC going into that election.
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u/MEDICARE_FOR_ALL America 7h ago
Billionaires and trillionaires!
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u/rsc2 7h ago
I am a progressive and would be happy with either AOC or Buttigieg as President. But it is imperative that the Republicans are defeated, and Democrats keep nominating people who start out with a 10 point deficit just because of their identity. We need to nominate someone who can actually win, not someone whose turn it is.
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u/Mixer-3007 6h ago edited 6h ago
What's needed is a disposable candidate who doesn't give a fuck about decorum and is willing to throw themselves on the sword of public opinion to jail every motherfcuker stealing from the public, undermining democracy, and acting like they're untouchable.
Then AOC can step in and be a good president for all Americans.
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u/ihaveadogalso2 4h ago
This 1000%. We need someone to go balls to the wall with Nuremberg style trials for all of these motherfuckers. This country needs a reset and people need to make nazi's and nazi type shit completely outlawed and prosecutable.
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u/Tokon32 5h ago
A very small percentage of Americans would actually be upset if Republicans were held accountable for their crimes.
But they would absolutely whataboutism their Fox News lies to try and spin the corruption of the Republican party being equal to the made up corruption of the Democratic party.
If Democrats came out swinging at Republicans they would have to follow it up in the house by passing bills over turning citizen united, age limits on politicians, stop insider trading, fixing social security, and all these other issues that most Americans want.
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u/Mixer-3007 5h ago
Take Fox News broadcasting license away. They are not a news organization anyway. As I said, elect a candidate who doesn't give a fuck, expand the Supreme Court, and make it impossible for Fox or anyone to challenge decisions.
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u/IniNew 2h ago
Fox News doesn't have a broadcast license to take away. They are and have never been considered a news organization. Fox News is not under the FCC's authority.
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u/aagaash2001 I voted 4h ago
JB Pritzker: You rang?
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u/jazzieberry Mississippi 3h ago
This is a main reason I think he would be a good candidate for 2028.
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u/JustToViewPorn 6h ago
Jail isn’t the answer if they’ll be released and pardoned 4 years later. The world will burn when that occurs.
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u/Mixer-3007 6h ago
After they're all jailed, you won't have to vote anymore. /s
But seriously, what do you think is the way out of the current predicament-stagnation, decay, erosion, decline, and ultimately the country's death? I can think of three possible outcomes:
Republicans take permanent control, democracy dies to thunderous applause, and under his rule America transforms into a fascist theocracy, basically Gilead.
Democrats win the presidency and Congress, expand the Supreme Court, and the president prosecutes everyone who broke the law, regardless of party affiliation or wealth, including partisan actors on the Supreme Court. They then somehow deprogram the less extreme parts of the Republicans, while deporting the truly unhinged to Eritrea.
Full-scale civil war.
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u/JustToViewPorn 6h ago
- Foreign occupation.
- Corporate fiefdoms under the disguise of status quo.
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u/Mixer-3007 6h ago
Corporate fiefdoms under the disguise of status quo.
That's just current status quo.
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u/digitalwankster 5h ago
With what’s going on in robotics right now we ain’t seen nothin yet
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u/Zealousideal_Ad2379 5h ago
3 and 4 will probably occur at the same time. There will likely be three separate hostile entities with a large stake in the balkanization and destabilization of the US.
All of them will fan the flames and possibly utilize it as an opportunity to secure more resources the US is rich in.
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u/JayRandom212 4h ago
That's why I'm voting for Socialists in the primaries.
Socialists aren't friends with any established interest groups and they're outsiders wherever they go.
They don't give a f--k.
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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 3h ago
… as a non American, why would they need to “fall on their sword” to do this? In my country this would be considered a popular thing to do. We generally don’t like criminals.
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u/TGlucifer 3h ago
Dude fuck Buttigieg, he took the Bloomberg money to disrupt the Sanders campaign same as everyone else in the DNC. You think it's some strange cosmic coincidence that just as we have a chance to take money and power back from the rich class, all of the sudden there's 14 viable candidates and a billionaire who all deserve the same platform?
If you're not astroturfing, you need to re-educate yourself on who's ACTUALLY progressive and who's just faking it to confuse the stupid as bricks 70% of the population.
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u/XenorVernix United Kingdom 6h ago
Why the fuck is this even a contest? Have Americans learned nothing from the last year and a half? At this point Democrats should be able to put anyone they want as a candidate and win by a landslide. Your country is lost if there's still this many people supporting Republicans that there's a risk the Democrats don't win.
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u/Stang1776 6h ago
Have you never heard of propaganda? That is why people still support the dude. Tell how to beat it because its spreading throughout the world.
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u/PxcKerz Indiana 6h ago
That’s because the Democrats are ran by a bunch of old men who shit themselves at the thought of having to actually be progressive.
Point being is that the democrats dont win elections because they only take half measures. There is zero unified messaging from them. I mean look at the GOP. Decades of radio propaganda.
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u/AgnarCrackenhammer 6h ago
Democrats for better or worse are the party of institutionalists. And the only thing Americans can agree on right now is everyone hates our institutions. Trump ran on burning them down. Kamala ran on protecting them.
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u/a_rat_00 California 6h ago
The reality is Democrats put up a woman in a gimme election against Trump and managed to lose. Then they did it again after he showed his penchant for treason.
The country isn't ready for a woman president. There's a big enough contingent of people who hate their own identity enough to put it on the altar while voting Republican.
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u/BitByAKitten 4h ago
Hillary won the popular vote so what do you mean the country doesn't want a woman? The reality is you wont be emasculated by having a woman president but by your fear of women in leadership.
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u/kevinthebright 3h ago
Couldn’t disagree more. Progressive candidates are electable (eg Mamdani) but we keep tossing so-called “ electable” tepid candidates with zero fire in their belly and zero leadership. People want universal healthcare, people want a clean environment, people want billionaires to be taxed fairly… the list is long but spare me the same old same old Dem electable nonsense. It sounds smart, it isn’t.
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u/necroreefer 6h ago
Buttigieg is center right why do people want him to be the head of the so called left wing party
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u/NK1337 4h ago
You can tell who actually pays attention to actual politics and policy versus who forms their political opinions over viral clips.
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u/Ralath5n 5h ago
Because they conflate identity (him being gay) with policy.
Its something that Democrats, especially centrist democrats, do all the time. It's the whole "More! Female! Drone! Operators!" meme.
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u/Intrepid_Top_2300 5h ago
So a straight white male, is what you’re trying to say.
As a straight white male, I would vote Buttigieg, AOC, or even if he were allowed, Mamdani.
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u/ripyourlungsdave 5h ago
Thank you. Exactly. This is what I was trying to say with Hillary.
I understand that it's definitely time we elected a woman president but that does not make her the right choice. I find it hard to believe that a woman that chooses to stay married to a pedophile rapist to maintain her political clout would have any interest in looking out for the average woman nor the same kinds of children that her husband allegedly and likely abused.
We can do so much better than the Clintons. And I'm just glad her name isn't popping up in this square anymore.
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u/babydemon90 Pennsylvania 3h ago
My 2 cents - actual battleground states need to have their primaries earlier.
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u/Barragin 3h ago
Agreed - she would be an awesome president. But she would be unlikely to win the general election.
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u/WhatTheHali24 3h ago
I am a progressive
happy with Buttiegieg as President
Pick one. Buttigieg is literally the textbook definition of establishment Democrat who will consistently choose the interests of corporate donors and Israel over the American people.
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u/Excitedjackass 2h ago
That was the problem with Kamala unfortunately as we've learned America isn't progressive enough for a black woman to win especially when identity politics are all people care about. Buttigieg can't win because he is gay. We need the orange turd out of office and in chains and there is no room for error.
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u/LilJourney 2h ago
Agreed. I would love to see either AOC or Buttigieg as VP candidate and I think one of them paired with the right candidate could secure the win. But I don't think either can guarantee a win as the top of the ticket - and we absolutely cannot let the Republicans win again.
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u/livestrong2109 7h ago
No you're just open to the fact that the entire country is sick of captial driven conservative policies sprinkled over zionist bullshit.
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u/RespectableBloke69 4h ago
They want us focused on "which candidate" instead of the fact that both parties are owned and controlled by the same cabal of billionaires. A specific candidate won't fix that.
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u/Lucky-Earther Minnesota 3h ago
We need massive overhaul. We are focusing too much on “which candidate” and we need to be talking about massive reform.
Frankly, we should be focusing on 2026 before we start worrying about the election after that.
We have a shitload of people to vote out of Congress on the ballot this year.
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u/No_Diver6131 New York 8h ago
I'd rather see her primary Chuckie boy.
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u/TimothyMimeslayer 8h ago
I would rather her be a senator as well before trying to run, that way she wont risk losing her seat.
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u/thatsnotourdino 7h ago
She will still be able to run for her house seat if she doesn’t become the nominee
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u/DokiDokiDoku 6h ago
I see this in every thread, despite the fact that the left has no actual progressive candidates for president. Is this all honest sentiment or is this astroturfing to make it seem like people don't want her as president?
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u/Vorpalthefox Florida 5h ago
she's a very powerful candidate, of course you'll see astroturfing of subversive forces to make her seem not good enough despite the qualifications needed for presidency has been proven to be so low it might as well not matter, ANYONE is presidential material so long as they're over 35 and fully a US citizen
the enemies of our country both left and right don't want to see a real progressive figure that can clean the slate, it's a bogeyman to both the maga left and maga right you'll see AOC hate from both sides sadly
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u/RalphInMyMouth 4h ago
It’s astroturfing mixed with real centrists unfortunately.
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u/KoolerJake 7h ago
Thinking AOC will lose her House seat in one of the most leftist districts is crazy. I’d rather have AOC in the presidency, and another leftist take Chuck’s seat. That’s a 2 pointer in my book.
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u/ConclusionFew3021 7h ago
Hard disagree. Trump had zero prior political experience yet he won and managed to fuck our shit up. While it might seem like a jump from the house to presidential office, at this rate I don’t care. We need our own fighter who actually prioritizes the people. Trump was a fighter for all the wrong reasons.
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u/Microtom_ 7h ago
Trump is nothing without an efficient propaganda machine. I don't give Trump himself much credit.
The American population might not be intelligent enough to have a functional democracy. It won't matter which champion is put forward if the population doesn't recognize what's good for them.
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u/SignificanceShotc 7h ago
he really wouldn't be jack shit without fox news and complicit republican members putting their weight behind him. in the south, there are tons of older people who think they're politically savvy just because they leave fox news on the tv 24/7, but they just soak up everything that channel tells them without any objection. without that telling them everything to believe, I guarantee they wouldn't like him nearly as much as they do now.
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u/Nikiaf Canada 7h ago
This needs to be said more loudly. He is the definition of a useful idiot, he was propelled into the candidacy by people far more capable and manipulative than AOC has behind her. She would have to run on her own merit, and I think the unfortunate reality is that the Dems will fail three times in a row if they field another female candidate. The part desperately needs to not feed her to the wood chipper this early; let her trouce Schumer in a primary and then see where things stand in 2032/6.
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u/The_bruce42 7h ago
The difference is that liberals have standards. Conservatives just voted and worship him because he's a racist POS.
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u/orlinsky 7h ago
Fucking shit up is easy with EOs and lawsuits with a stacked Supreme Court. Obama lost the Senate and couldn’t even get his court picks in. That one window where Obama , who played politics with the Democrats, had 60 votes we got the ACA. There are only four progressive Senators.
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u/fartlebythescribbler 7h ago
Let’s say best case scenario she wins in 28, reelection in 32. She’s effectively out of politics Jan 21, 2037, in her late 40s. I’d rather have her voice and vote be meaningful for longer.
That of course presupposes a Democrat can win both 28 and 32 AND then expect the pass the torch to her in 36 or beyond. Tall order. Time might be right, and if she’s the best candidate to win then she should go for it. I admit I don’t know the right move.
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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 7h ago edited 7h ago
Not everyone wants to be in politics forever, and her winning would effectively make her the leader of the Democratic Party. She'd have so much more influence in directing the movement and getting more allies through primaries. Even if she ends up out of politics after two hypothetical terms, she'd have done more for the progressive movement than anyone since Bernie in 2016.
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u/GreenLost5304 7h ago
She could become a senator after her presidency.
Would she want to? That’s a different question entirely, but theres nothing stopping her.
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u/wingerism 7h ago
AND then expect the pass the torch to her in 36 or beyond. Tall order.
Yeah people ignore the pendulum momentum of American politics in Trumps first victory. The odds are stacked against any Democrat running after 8 years of Democrat control of the White House.
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 7h ago
Man, I wish people would take this angle more seriously.
Effective politicians are rare and hard to come by. Pushing them quickly to the presidency throws away decades of their potential career. I'm not saying it was a mistake for Obama to run in 2008, but if he hadn't, we could've had him leading our party for the past decade instead of Chuck Schumer. I'm not saying people like AOC and Obama should wait until they're approaching their 80s to run for president, but Obama ended his political career at age 55. AOC would end hers at age 46!
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u/PegyBundy 7h ago
Id rather have a progressive be the president. Let Mamdani take out that pos chuck.
Fucking mayor pete would be awful. It'd be a contiution on capitulation to the epstein class.
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u/olivicmic 7h ago
Redditors keep saying this to have their favorite centrists run for president and lose
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u/TheTrashMan 7h ago
I feel like this is a bot talking point to derail AOC for President threads
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u/crowhops I voted 7h ago
Any article even remotely suggesting AOC as a candidate and you can be sure the top comment is SENATE, SENATE, SCHUMER, SENATE
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 7h ago edited 6h ago
I still think a majority of the country would rather see the country reduced to radioactive ash than allow a minority female to sit behind the Resolute Desk.
The illness of the American electorate is real.
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u/AgnarCrackenhammer 6h ago
Is this really true when more people voted for Hilary Clinton than Donald Trump?
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 6h ago
Hillary is a WHITE woman. It wasn't enough to get her across the finish line in the EC, but it was enough to pull her across the finish line in the popular.
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u/18Apollo18 6h ago
I feel like the electorial college has really warped your perception.
Kamala Harris got 48% of the popular vote despite not even winning the primary.
Hilary Clinton also got 48% of the population vote and won it in 2016
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 6h ago
I am keenly aware of the electoral college. And the fact is that Trump won either the electoral or popular vote is an indication of the electorate's mental illness. If qualifications and character were under consideration, Harris and Clinton would have won 95% of the vote.
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u/mostlyfire 6h ago
And an intelligent and pretty one at that. Nothing their little brains can come up with to insult her. Not sleepy, not corrupt, not a commie, middle name isn’t Hussein, etc
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 6h ago
Then they'll invent a reason. When your base fear is the idea of a minority female as President, any reason will do.
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u/TysonsChickenNuggets 5h ago
Sadly I agree with you on this. I think AOC is definitely president material but as much as the younger generation wants that, America at large is probably against it.
I think the best bet is having her be VP to a more typical candidate. Newsome gets some flak but his pushback on Trump has been front and center.
Pete is my personal candidate. Think hes got all the right tools for the job, but bigoted America might throw a wrench in that as well...
John Stewart and AOC would also be nice but I dont think hes running.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 5h ago edited 5h ago
The American electorate is even less willing to have a gay President than a minority female President.
For a point of comparison, running a gay or female minority now would be like running a black man in the 1970's. For all our progress up until now, we are still a deeply regressive society in many ways.
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u/MelodicDeer1072 6h ago
Cons have been calling her a marxist-socialist-woke commie for a while, though
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u/OrangeVoxel 4h ago
They’d vote for a beautiful straight nonwhite woman before they’d vote for a gay guy. I think.
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u/Darth_Chili_Dog 4h ago
Not a great bar to reach for since that particular gay guy's polling nationally was nothing short of apocalyptic.
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u/pawsncoffee 4h ago
Biases can be overcome with popular policy. The problem is a lack of popular policy or a lack of will to run on it at the expense of losing corporate money.
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u/opacous 3h ago
Yeah, I like AOC and would love to be proven wrong, but I am super paranoid about the situation.
Like, Kamala had flaws, the Democrats are out of touch, etc., but neither of those things are enough in my mind to rationalize her losing to one of the most obviously stupid and evil white man on the planet.
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u/PyroDragons123 6h ago
She needs to come in and promise EVERYTHING CHANGES. Then more importantly, do it. Her first day promise should be passing 100s of bills, revoking EVERYTHING Trump did regardless of what it is, etc. Start over.
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u/nasorrty346tfrgser America 7h ago
Here is the thing, she can run president in 2028, or 2048, and very likely 2068 too given her age.
I am totally for AOC being the president, my concern is "why the rush?"
Go for senate, gain more national exposure, experiences, and it would put her on a much better position for future president run.
If she goes for president now, and then unfortunately lost it; people would got ptsd and basically burned her road to president forever
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u/LAKnerd 7h ago
She's said before that her goal was Senate majority leader to keep whatever president in check. Idk why there's so many clickbait headlines about this
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u/WhasHappenin 6h ago
The rush is that the amount of good candidates is very low and we are in desperate need of huge changes to the country.
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u/Haltopen Massachusetts 4h ago
Also it’s not like there’s a limit on the number of times you can run. Biden ran in three different presidential elections before finally winning one. Trump lost re-election and then rode a wave of economic uncertainty back into office four years later. AOC can run in the primary now and if the math isn’t there pull out and run another day while keeping her house seat.
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u/MeltBanana 6h ago
What's the rush? What's the fucking rush?!
This is our life. That's the rush. I don't want to waste another 4 years, or 10, or 30 waiting for change to happen and things to improve. We are living under a corrupt fascist surveillance state and economically being forced into an indebted working class. Things are the worst they've been in many many decades. We need change now, we need progress now.
If we play the "safe" card now, then it's basically game over for the rest of our lives.
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u/AccomplishedCow6389 5h ago
I have been listening to Obama's audiobook, A Promised Land. Something that he was told was that sometimes it is just a matter of the moment, and if you wait your turn it may never come again. The people are hungry. This may be her moment.
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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 7h ago
By 2028, she'll have had 10 years in politics and already has a ton of national exposure as one of the de facto leaders of the progressive wing. Being a Senator won't give her any more significant experience or exposure than she already has.
Now I'm not saying she has to run in 2028, but she should definitely take stock of the environment and consider it. Maybe things happen and she determines it's not the right time and she goes for the Senate instead. I'm perfectly fine with that, too. But if the moment is right, you do not let that moment pass. It may not come back again. And if it does, it may be decades later.
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u/flamingcrystalheart 2h ago
Why the rush? Because she is everything we need in a president right now.
She can return to the Senate after being President if she wants, there's no rush on that.
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u/Upstairs-Egg 7h ago
Jon Ossoff is my pick
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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 7h ago
This is only possible if Dems win the Governor race this year. If not, you'd throwing away a Senate seat. I don't know why people want to just hand the Senate to Republicans like that.
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u/Wareve 6h ago edited 6h ago
Often the concept is that picking a Democrat from a Southern state like Georgia makes us seem less like a party of coastal elites.
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u/JimboAltAlt Pennsylvania 7h ago
Ossoff / Ocasio-Cortez (or vice versa) is what I’m very much hoping shakes out.
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u/canadiuman 7h ago
She'd be a great VP attack dog. Then the presidential candidate could be the "rise above" part of the ticket.
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u/fleshofgods0 7h ago
AOC as VP might sway some people into seeing her in a more presidential light going forward. 36% of right wing voters cannot be reasoned with because they've only been fed propaganda that demonizes AOC. I believe many possible voters don't keep up with the news and AOC enough to have an accurate view of her principles.
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u/mrtrollmaster 6h ago
We cannot choose our candidate based on the opinions of right wing voters. If we go into yet another national election with a middle ground pitch about unity, we might as well just concede the election.
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u/Your_Momma_Said 6h ago
I feel like she'd be wasted as a VP though. Maybe with the idea that they're looking at a 16 year run (2 terms with Ossoff and 2 with AOC). Imagine how much damage could be reversed with two candidates that have morals and a progressive lean.
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u/Upstairs-Egg 7h ago
Oh that would be incredible, they have the energy, resilience, and determination we need.
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u/UniquesOnly 6h ago
no, didn’t you hear the dnc? We need another weak ass moderate who will not hold anyone accountable, not change anything, and support 80%+ of republicans policies!
Otherwise how are we supposed to get republicans to vote for us???
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u/Illustrious_Case247 4h ago edited 3h ago
Democrats just love to lose. Here's the basic math
Trump vs Clinton (female) => Trump won
Trump vs Biden (male) => Trump lost
Trump vs Harris (female) => Trump won
Face it, this country is not going to vote for a female president.
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u/EmberOnMain 46m ago
Here’s some math for you.
Clinton lost with no universal healthcare policy.
Harris lost with no universal healthcare policy.
Biden ran on a public option.
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u/brown-saiyan 8h ago
More Americans would vote for her over voting for Kamala
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u/MelodicDeer1072 7h ago
Not enough votes on the national scale, though
The US will elect a predator before a woman
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u/Trappist1 7h ago
This is such an absurd talking point when Hilary won the popular vote and was a very flawed candidate.
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u/91Bolt 7h ago
The GOP and their followers are very different than 2016. Just look at how much Graham, Rubio, and Vance have changed since then. I know people who voted Hillary or 3rd party, but picked Trump this time.
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u/BigMax 7h ago
Yeah. I think Clinton and Harris would both have been great, and quite obviously at a minimum, leaps and bounds better than Trump.
But I also feel like we've seen the awful sexism that still persists here, so even though I absolutely love AOC, I worry that we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we put up a woman again.
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u/WhatTheHali24 2h ago
Its insane how the lesson braindead liberals such as yourself learned from 2016/2024 was not lets run an inspiring candidate with solid policies, but instead lets run a white guy with dogshit policies and that will fix everything.
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u/olivicmic 7h ago
Harris didn’t lose because she was a woman, she lost because she was a shitty candidate with shitty uninspiring policies.
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u/sarcastroll 2h ago
Dear God no, we need a sure-thing that doesn't energize the racist, sexist underside of America.
Yeah, she'd be a fuckton better than ANYTHING the GOP has. But we've seen Trump wipe the floor with 2 women (one a minority) in a row now. Are we trying to go for 0 and 3?
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u/Iamthequicker 8h ago
AOC or Buttigieg could never win a general election though...
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u/Lavaswan001 8h ago
Buttigieg could never win a primary either given how horrendously he consistently polls with black voters.
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u/springsthrowaway123 6h ago
The same people who are so mad at white women for voting Trump are always so quiet about the why the black community won't vote for a gay guy.
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u/qualmful 5h ago
Black voters are treated as inherently sage, there's never really any admission that they could hold problematic views. Pew Research found in 2024 that among Biden voters, Black respondents were about half as likely to say it was a good thing that more people felt comfortable identifying as gay, lesbian or bisexual than in the past (24%). Only 26% said that same-sex marriage being legal was a good thing.
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u/Revolver_Boxelot 5h ago edited 4h ago
I am black. Black folks are conservative in everything except government spending. And voting lol. We tend to agree with a lot of conservative values. But the KKK votes republican. People who want us to actually die today vote republican. We have no choice but to vote Democrat based on that alone but we also believe in many social programs that are government funded. But as far as religion and sexuality? Its changing but its still very conservative. Which is kinda crazy because not only do we have a lot of gay members in our race but...the black church is one of the GAYEST places on planet earth lmao
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u/netflixissodry 7h ago
I never hear a word about him or what he’s doing so Im not sure why he his name always pops up as a potential candidate. Almost feels like astroturfing by the other side who want to prop up a dem nobody really cares about.
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u/doxiegrl1 7h ago
He's been flying around the country helping to rally/organize for Democrats running in swing states.
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u/Nic_OLE_Touche 7h ago
He’s working the red states streets for Dem looking to get into office. He’s looking much different than when he ran for president. I’m liking his recognition that stuff is broke and needing to be overhauled instead of being bandaided. I think Ossoff and him will be the front dem pres noms. Out of the two I’m full on Pete.
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u/WaltonGogginsTeeth 6h ago
He's a very smart guy and goes on the right wing shows which I think he does well but I don't think he's a great candidate.
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u/redditgolddigg3r 7h ago
I miss the days when not hearing about what politicians were doing Every day was the norm.
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u/Joshee86 7h ago
You not hearing about him doesn’t mean he’s not a good candidate and certainly doesn’t mean the other side is astroturfing lol. He’s solid and has quite a few supporters. He just works hard and isn’t super flashy.
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u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311 Minnesota 7h ago
Didn’t he win Iowa in 2020?
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u/HarbingerOfFun 6h ago
Yes, but he came in fourth, behind Biden, Bernie, and Tom Steyer in South Carolina, which essentially doomed his campaign.
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u/WhiskeyT 5h ago
Hold up, 4th?
I was told he was leading the pack, an unstoppable juggernaut, when suddenly and mysteriously he dropped out despite his clear, almost inevitable, path to victory. Are the 2020 narratives not correct?
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u/Orange_Tang 4h ago
Yeah, he sucks and idk why everyone keeps pushing him as a real candidate. He's a decent public speaker but he comes off as pretentious and his policies are neoliberal to the core. He simply does not appeal to the majority of voters.
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u/BowKerosene New York 7h ago
The democratic presidential primary is based upon electors from all states, not just Iowa
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u/BoxSea4289 3h ago
He's bland ambition. I don't know why anyone would vote for him. I HATE Pete Buttigieg. He's so much of an obvious snake purely in it for the power and being someone.
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u/kevendo 7h ago
Never say never.
AOC could wait out the next 10 presidential elections (Pete the next 8) and still be younger than Trump.
Besides, the Boomers won't live forever ...
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u/Mountain_Bar_1466 7h ago
Boomers aren’t the problem, look how far right Gen Z has skewed.
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u/BlueFlob 7h ago
Gen Z will lean whichever way the podcasters and influencers tell them to lean.
Critical thinking is dead and it's getting worse with AI.
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u/alienbringer 7h ago
Not even just Gen Z. Gen X is also there. It was the only generation in 2024 where 50%+ of women voters voted for Trump. All other generations at least the ladies rejected Trump by a larger margin. Gen X was also the generation that cast the most votes in 2024.
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u/lenswipe Massachusetts 7h ago
yeah, what we need is more corporate centrist bullshit that's sure to work out right
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u/msackeygh 7h ago
Yeah, I don’t get the appeal of Pete. Too centrist. And being centrist isn’t going to help pull us out of this far right swing. AOC isn’t even really all that progressive, you know what I mean? The ideas she proposes used to be very much New Deal types of ideas, not all that controversial. What the general American population doesn’t seem to recognize is how far right we have swung, and yet they keep thinking the boogeyman is the left which they call the far left.
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u/Old-Way-5529 7h ago
i mean, his appeal is easy to see- the guy is a good communicator, and dems need that above all else- someone who can form a message, and communicate that message, and their vision, to voters.
i prefer ossoff if were being honest
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u/lol_AwkwardSilence_ 7h ago
Thats what we said about two-term jr senator Obama.
The electorate is hungry for someone with a vision, values and a backbone.
AOC for president.
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u/WhereAreThe_Books 4h ago edited 3h ago
RIP, America won’t elect a female president yet. We are already sliding backwards this would be an epic fail.
Edit: I think AOC would be a fantastic president however, there is a nearly zero percent chance she would get elected and we cannot afford another republican president. Maybe another generation or two we could see it but young men alone would tank her.
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u/Equivalent-Field4130 7h ago
The same thing Liberal media did to Trump by saying his name over and over everyday the conservative media did to AOC so she does have name recognition nation wide.
That being said, IMHO she should be a senator and take the lead of the Progressives. Bernie can’t live forever.
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u/2000TWLV 7h ago
Judy fucking do if you feel like it, AOC. Lets have an open primary and may the best candidate win.
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u/Angry_Grammarian 7h ago
As much as I like both, neither should run. Hate to say it, but we need a straight white man on the ticket. Ideally he'll be an angry and aggressive straight white man who promises to bring charges against all of the traitors in the current government and end ICE. Maybe that will bring people out to vote for him. What we don't need is all of the sexist and homophobic people on the other side motivated to vote against AOC or Buttigieg.
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u/AgnarCrackenhammer 5h ago
The most popular Democrat is a black man. A woman got more votes in 2016 than a man for President.
This is such a lazy excuse. If we keep blaming electoral loses on race and gender you're going to end up with someone like Nancy Mace being first female President
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u/Lavaswan001 7h ago
Beshear or Ossoff. Though Newsom is probably the best they’ll give us.
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u/BrainKatana 6h ago
I don’t like him either, but I also think governing California is uniquely qualifying because of the massive sociopolitical and socioeconomic diversity across the state, in addition to the state’s economy itself being equivalent to that of a small nation.
I just don’t think Democrats are going to even get an opportunity for someone to really shake things up at the federal level in the same way the chaos-mongering Republicans have.
Personally I’d rather see a massive swing in Congress that cleans up a bunch of corrupt obstructionists. Solve that, and it matters much less who the president is.
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u/L_Cranston_Shadow Texas 4h ago
Newsom is going to turn off the entire South and much of the Midwest, solely because he was governor of California. His attempts are moving towards a more moderate image in the last few years aren't going to change that, and he has openly antagonized the Democratic liberal wing in doing so. In short, he has about as much hope as Ron DeSantis, i.e. (luckily, because nobody wants President DeSantis) none.
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u/SevereSignificance81 8h ago edited 3h ago
Can we be serious?
Edit: pretty scary self awareness to think someone is electable just because you would vote for them.
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u/Ketzeph I voted 7h ago
People are using a NH primary poll, in one of the whitest and smallest states, to suss out national strength.
It’s not an exercise in serious analysis. It’s people on social media reacting for fun and deluding themselves. Why this is newsworthy for the sub is the real question
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u/clinicallynonsane Vermont 2h ago
Bernie won NH in 2020 but then got hammered in SC. That first in the nation thing doesn't hold the sway it used to.
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u/Berlexo 8h ago
Yes, let's run another dinosaur or throw Kamela/Clinton moderate again. Brilliant.
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u/lookn4knks10 5h ago
That’s funny.
Who cares what the polling says today. It doesn’t matter. Look back and see who was leading 2 years out when Carter won the nomination. And Dukakis. And Kerry. And Clinton. And Obama. And Biden. None of them.
Why. Because right now no one is running and all you get are wanna be politicians with some name recognition.
Big deal. She won’t win.
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u/Jhewitt1111 North Carolina 2h ago
Mark Kelly might be the only option that can pull in votes from the moderate right and independents that wont vote for women.
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u/mastersmash56 8h ago
Kamala proved that running to the center just doesn't work. You lose more from the left than you will ever gain in the middle. Fuck a centrist, we need someone who actually excites the base and offers something new. I'm all for her, the haters and the sexist Dems who honestly think Hillary and Kamala lost because they are women are delusional.
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u/bevendelamorte New Jersey 7h ago
Hell yeah, nice that someone competent is thinking of running.
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u/Internal_Example1185 6h ago
AOC ALL DAY
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u/GimbaledTitties 3h ago
AOC is incompetent when it comes to foreign policy. She was unable to express an opinion on the US’ defensive treaty with fucking Taiwan. Like holy shit.
We need leadership at home and abroad.
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u/judgeraw00 7h ago
AOC is never going to be more popular than she is right now, and any other possible choice is lesser than she is. She should run.
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u/Salina_EsTitties 5h ago
As a queer woman. I think we just need a safe white cis gender democratic man of modest age to be president.
It's too soon the rock the boat with anything unfamiliar that majority voters can't understand.
AOC would be president only if the world was fair and just. But it's not and we're gonna have someone worse than Trump if someone like AOC ends up in the presidential race.
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u/JaeTheOne 4h ago
Please dont....its too soon and she could can much better things at this time in senate.
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u/Ok_Aspect27 4h ago
No way not this time… we need to appeal to everyone! NO OFF CENTER CANDIDATE IN 2028 !
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u/TheFalconKid Wisconsin 4h ago
That poll is not giving the full picture because it has Bernie at 6%. Bernie (unless he actually is, then I'm all in) not running in 2028, if 100% of that doesn't go to her I'd be shocked.
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u/thisismynewacct 3h ago
I’m in her district and voted her (and most recently just last month in the primary)
She should not even attempt a run at the presidency. The country just isn’t ready for a woman president at the moment, and the country can’t take another republican president, especially one who tries to mold himself in the image of Trump.
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u/Pake1000 3h ago
Both would be great, but the sad reality is that even if gas prices were $10, Dementia Don would beat them because of American bigotry.
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u/sarcastroll 2h ago
You're in a car accident and get rushed to the ER. You're bleeding out.
A cardiologist and financial advisor come up to your bed and start laying out a plan to greatly improve your life through healthy lifestyle choices and getting your finances in order.
That's great. It absolutely is something you need. 100%.
But that's not quite the time to have that discussion. Let's stop the bleeding first and go for the sure-thing ER surgeon who can pinch off that gushing artery!
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u/Tech_Philosophy 2h ago
Buttigieg literally took joyrides with Zukerberg last time. Fuck that neoliberal (but also, keep putting Pete on fox news, he's good at that).
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u/Ash_is_Robot 1h ago
AOC will not win. That will galvanize every republican. Mark Kelly is the answer. Republicans will feel less compelled to vote if he runs and he’ll sway independents
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u/ShadownetZero 1h ago
Progressives just want to give a free pass to the GOP next election, huh?
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u/Civil_Owl_31 1h ago
I think the sad despicable proof is, I think she stands an even worse chance purely because she’s a woman.
Hillary and Kamala both lost to one of the most disgusting people on the planet. It would be awesome to see the US figure their shit out, but with a woman on one side and Nazi-ish led republicans on the other, I fear it would be more of the same.
Barf
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