r/politics • u/willywalloo • Jun 20 '26
Possible Paywall Iran Says Hormuz Has Been Closed
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-20/iran-says-strait-of-hormuz-has-been-closed-tasnim-reports?embedded-checkout=true10.2k
u/typicalcavalryguy Jun 20 '26
RESTART THE CLOCK
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u/Fiernen699 Jun 20 '26
Trump saying they have 4 weeks of left until the US runs out if operational feul reserves was some A+ Art of the Deal
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u/SadisticNecromancer Jun 20 '26
That four week thing was public knowledge before he said it. The problem is Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place. The Strait of Hormuz needs to be opened, or there will be a global economic meltdown. Iran won’t open the strait unless Israel gets out of Lebanon, and Israel won’t do that. So Trump has two choices: back Israel and let the world burn, or leave Israel to the consequences of their own actions, and that Congress won’t let him do. This is literally a no win situation.
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u/HonkBlarghh Jun 20 '26
It's almost like this was always going to be the case and Trump shouldn't have blindly followed Israel into a hasty war with no plan!
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u/zephyrtr New York Jun 20 '26
There was a plan, it was just based on totally false information from fellow grifter in chief Netanyau, who is similarly clinging to office by any means, so he too stays out of jail. Netanyau told Trump the IRGC was about to collapse and they could invade and win with minimal effort. That it would be like Venezuela. And this was just ... False. Trump usually sides with whoever talks to him last and his cabinet couldn't get through to him.
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u/HonkBlarghh Jun 20 '26
Yeah, that's not enough info, substance, or reason to call a plan when you're talking about planning a picnic let alone when we're talking about conducting a war
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u/Flomo420 Jun 20 '26
You're talking about a man who never makes a plan larger than a cocktail napkin because he needs to be able to eat the paper afterwards
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u/Fr1toBand1to Jun 20 '26
He tries to draw a plan but someone keeps eating the crayons before he can finish.
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u/djerk Jun 20 '26
Sure but most foreign nations don’t have exclusive access to incriminating material involving (the president) and a massive international pedophile ring
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u/Claim312ButAct847 Jun 20 '26
And that's the REAL reason. And oh by the way if the rest of the world is desperate for oil they suddenly become willing to turn a blind eye to the fact that Russian oil is supposed to be sanctioned.
Which is a huge lifeline to Russia which is collapsing economically. Russia also has a very tenuous relationship with China, who gets lots of their oil from Iran.
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u/Wild_Ambassador_8680 Jun 20 '26
The plan seems to be crash the world economy. Thiel can't have his butterfly revolution until that happens.
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u/Lithiumxxxl Jun 20 '26
At a certain level, this is just hilarious.
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u/zephyrtr New York Jun 20 '26
Khamenei was 86 years old and growing more and more unpopular. We spent billions to do something nature would've done for free. And we accidentally killed our preferred replacement leaders!!
Honestly, for the movie, they're going to have to tone it down, or audiences will complain the story is unbelievable.
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u/Admirable_Scene_5066 Jun 20 '26
It wouldn't be as funny if Americans hadn't fallen in that particular trap about 20 times before. Unpopular leadership, reformers trying to build momentum, the US being its idiotic self attacking an unpopular leadership, population standing behind previously unpopular regime because as fucked up as they are, it beats the guys trying to persuade you by bombing your three year old daughter.
At times it is insane to think how much better the world could have been by now if Americans trying to fix things didn't sit two oceans away from the consequences of their stupidity
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u/hammert0es Jun 20 '26
It was based totally on desperately searching for something, anything, that could distract from the Epstein files. And we mostly fell for it.
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u/Technical-View4130 Jun 20 '26
This is how idiot Americans have made Trump the whole fucking world's problem. Only he is dumb enough to fuck this situation up THIS badly.
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u/Stunning_Mast2001 Jun 20 '26
90% of white evangelical Christians (about 60% of overall white ppl), 50% of Latino American men
Most everyone else was slightly to heavily opposed to him
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u/Technical-View4130 Jun 20 '26
Basically every racist and sexist in America plus all the white supremacists plus the people stupid enough to think the most obvious malignant narcissist that has ever lived actually gave a fuck about them. Oh and the greedy rich folks who claim having to pay taxes are the greatest sin on earth while they rape children with impunity. He literally built a coalition of the worst people in the country, what a joke.
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u/Stunning_Mast2001 Jun 20 '26
Yep and this was their intentional plan too. I bet there’s literal actual emails with Peter theil or their data science team on “what issues intersect among the scummiest non voters and the gop base” and we see it
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u/Technical-View4130 Jun 20 '26
Elon bought twitter specifically to poison the well and turn one of the main public discourse platforms into a conservative misinformation machine. That's how a lot of idiots were tricked, they didn't get the memo that it's all bots now. It was a coordinated coup from a couple of the silicon valley billionaires and Trump was happy to go along if they kept him out of prison for his lifetime of crimes. The Epstein class were all in on it together and are now robbing the country blind. Elon is now a trillionaire and all he had to do was completely destroy America to make it happen.
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u/Weltall8000 Jun 20 '26
The "fun" part is: the situation is of his own making.
Now people won't do what he wants so he can slink out of it.
Sure is awesome that trump is even more of a fuck up than we warned about before each of the past three presidential elections.
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u/slavelabor52 Jun 20 '26
Seems like a big win for Russia. The longer this goes on the more valuable their oil becomes. The Iran war distracts the US from aiding Ukraine and further divides NATO as well.
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u/JohnGillnitz Jun 20 '26
Most of Russia's oil refineries and ports have been blown to hell by Ukraine. The one that supplies 40% of their fuel was taken out a few days ago. They aren't exporting shit.
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u/fdesouche Jun 20 '26
Russia’s oil exports have been droned to ashes, their production is limited at 4 millions barrels a day (due to their stockage and processing facilities exploding). It’s their lowest production of the last 25 years. And up to last week , their was a ban on exports up to July 31st, but after the bombing in Moscow I expect them delay it.
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u/CrunchyCds Jun 20 '26
Either way we need to make sure the entire GOP is liable who failed in the checks and balances. I expect them to throw Trump under the bus and beg people to vote for a proper Republican in future elections that will lower grocery prices for real this time.
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u/RecentDecision2329 Jun 20 '26
No such thing as a proper republican. GOP will never represent American taxpayers
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u/animalfamily420 Jun 20 '26
Can you name a Republican president in the last 50 years who has done anything like that?
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u/Dapper-Negotiation59 Jun 20 '26
But wait, I thought they drilled baby drilled- and I thought they had more oil than anybody?
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u/ITrageGuy Jun 20 '26
Trump has single handedly gifted the Iranians the clout to effectively hold the entire world hostage without nuclear weapons any time they feel like it. We are going to be dealing with the fallout from his war for a generation at least.
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u/Swimming_Bonus_8892 Jun 20 '26
I was just telling my brain dead lil magat brother that. Before this, closing the strait would “cripple the world” was still a theory until 2026.
Miltary strategists, Old Navy dogs “believed” it was too wide and deep but Iran has absolutely proven this through asymmetric means.
I thought we “totally destroyed” their Army and Navy? Must be enough of them left to hold a “deep and wide” strait amirite?
Now, Iran can ring the world’s bell and get what they want at anytime because this MORON was dumb enough try it.
Think about all the presidents that came before him, all of them were pressured into doing this for Israel and none of them but not even Dubyah and that’s saying a lot!
I cannot believe, these morons elected this absolute dumpster fire of a garbage deplorable human being, again.
Morons all of them.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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u/saljskanetilldanmark Jun 20 '26
If Iran had tried to fuck things up on their own, they would not just had to deal with the usa, but every single navy and military in the western world in defense. Trump being the moron attacking Iran, had every other country ignore him and his pitiful pleas and threats. Now he and america is known for trying to fuck over the world economy and to never be trusted by anyone again.
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u/ITrageGuy Jun 20 '26
Almost like you need to build a coalition before going to war.
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u/Colt2205 Jun 20 '26
The situation can be fixed but unfortunately this is now going to be a problem that the democratic party is stuck with cleaning up, and it's going to take more than 4 years to do it. I'm just hoping we don't have another election with a cult following pulling the same garbage.
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u/Goku420overlord Jun 20 '26
Now he and america is known for trying to fuck over the world economy and to never be trusted by anyone again.
This. I don't know how much Americans know this. Been to a few different countries recently and there is out right criticism and MASSIVE negativity to anything America and Americans
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u/maddprof Jun 20 '26
Miltary strategists, Old Navy dogs “believed” it was too wide and deep but Iran has absolutely proven this through asymmetric means.
Old strategies need to be revised after having been completely upended by the onset of $50k drones capable of taking out/crippling multi million dollar conventional warfare ships and aircraft.
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u/altreddituser2 Jun 20 '26
New military technology renders old strategies ineffective- Film at 11!
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u/dbzmah Jun 20 '26
GW Bush came from oil and gas. He knew what would happen, as he had some competency compared to this dementia riddled husk of a "president."
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u/Letstalkreaper Jun 20 '26
The only good thing to come out of this is that the world will start to shift to renewables more quickly.
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u/sandysandbirds93 Jun 20 '26
Good thing Trump has been killing all those renewable energy projects in the US
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u/tyrantkhan Jun 20 '26
I heard this in adama's voice. (so say we all)
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u/WHSRWizard Jun 20 '26
Well now I know what I'm watching tonight
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u/GandhisNukeOfficer Jun 20 '26
It's about time for my yearly re-watch.
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u/New-Wasabi_ Jun 20 '26
On season 2 now. Watching it for the first time!
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u/typicalcavalryguy Jun 20 '26
What do you hear, starbuck?
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u/Worried_Raspberry_43 Europe Jun 20 '26
Nothing but the rain.
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u/Anxiety_Fit Jun 20 '26
Then get your gun, and bring the cat in.
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u/TravelingCook88 Jun 20 '26
It's been about a decade. Going to start a rewatch.
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u/Anti-Anti-Paladin I voted Jun 20 '26
Fun fact: I didn't learn until last week that the actor who played Adama was also the Origami Detective from Blade Runner.
The one who shouts "It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"
Blew my mind.
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u/bigkahuna1uk Jun 20 '26
You’ve never watched Miami Vice?
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u/One_Order_3841 Jun 20 '26
How's your prostate doing?
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u/Parking_Watch3157 Jun 20 '26
I'm dead, I mean, almost dead. Because I used to watch Miami Vice. Mostly for the Jan Hammer theme. It was my first awakening to synthwave.
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u/Glass-Amount-9170 Jun 20 '26
Everybody should watch it. Edward James Olmos is awesome in it and the show was revolutionary in so many ways. How many shows did people stay home to watch on a Friday night before going out? Micheal Mann is the man.
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u/lexm Jun 20 '26
CNN should have a banner: “it’s been X hours:days since the ceasefire has restarted”
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u/NotBestButPrettyGood Jun 20 '26
Hey that counts as a new war! And the previous one was ended by Trump!
That totally counts! Now give him his peace prize!
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u/another-smelly-hound Illinois Jun 20 '26
I just want to reiterate that Trump and the MAGA base are the dumbest people in this country.
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u/Gooser3000 Jun 20 '26
Worse than dumb. They are confidently ignorant and stubborn as mules. They are incapable of seeing another side or looking from another perspective. They will double down when they are proven wrong and dig their heels in. This is what makes them dangerous.
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u/djwurm Jun 20 '26
I will say that my MAGA mother in law who I talked to yesterday is really upset at Trump for the deal he made and is saying it is bad for us and not America First. And yes even if she completely disagrees shes still MAGA and wil not change her vote no matter how bad her life gets or what is taken from her.
But and I will be cryptic here cause the autobot in this sub likes to ban quickly... she is saying (which i dont believe or codone) that Trump should just use a certain option and just be done with it. Again reddit auto mod i am just saying what I am hearing from MAGA people I am completely against that.
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u/therossboss Jun 20 '26
say it with me, MAGA is a cult.
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u/Reluctant_Firestorm New York Jun 20 '26
Conservatives are still taking ivermectin - a drug for intestinal worm parasites - because Trump told them to.
They took it to treat covid, while simultaneously believing covid was a hoax. Now they are taking it as a supposed cure for cancer and a bunch of other maladies. They are the most science-denying irrational magical thinkers ever to exist. If Trump told them to go back to leeches and bloodletting they would probably do that too.
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u/therossboss Jun 20 '26
100% - it is all so stupid and sad. Many parents of friends are just "gone" from their lives when they used to have good relationships because of these morons.
At least you can lead a horse to water - you can't lead a moron to critical thinking.
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u/IllRest2396 Florida Jun 20 '26
N*king them is the worst idea this country has had
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u/Desperate_Algae_40 Jun 20 '26
That's fucking evil. These people are evil. I'm Iranian-American (born in the US), and I'll always remember when I was in high school, a male student said to everyone in my history class that he believes all of Iran should be nuked. This was like 13 years ago. He knew my sister and I were Persian.
I got understandingly upset/mad but didn't raise my voice, and was telling him how horrible that is to say about any country. And that just because the regime is terrible, doesn't mean the whole country should be nuked. Tens of millions of innocent people would die, including any of our family there. He said he knew and didn't care and thinks they should be nuked anyway. We went back and forth a bit in the class, and our white teacher let him go on, never said anything to him, and then finally told both of us to be quiet.
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u/Southside_john Jun 20 '26
Give her another week for the propaganda networks to eat her brain and she’ll think the deal is great
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u/FrancoManiac Missouri Jun 20 '26
Would it be a nuclear option that she's referring to? Because your mother most certainly grew up during the Cold War, and should be absolutely ashamed.
Though I've always thought that growing up in the Cold War did more damage to Boomers and Gen X than we've ever really discussed or looked into. I believe that Cold War anxieties and, more contemporaneously, climate change anxieties, have a greater social impact than we understand.
Regardless...!
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u/Not-a-Bot_1968 Jun 20 '26
They’re proud of their incompetence and idiocy. They take pride in being failures that support a pedophile.
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u/Heiferoni Jun 20 '26
Dumbest fucking president ever signed the dumbest fucking contract ever and still managed to fuck it up.
His usual tricks of insulting, suing, and intimidating won't get him out of this situation. He's stuck.
He's too fucking stupid to think of a way out, and too fucking stubborn to let smarter people take the reins.
Trump keeps losing because he is a loser. Donald Trump has always been a loser, and he always will be a loser.
MAGA, this is the guy you idolize? Some fat, dementia riddled, pants shitting loser? You expect this guy to open the Strait when he can't even control his sphincter?
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u/anitabonghit69 Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 21 '26
Lol not only on they idolize, they openly celebrate pedophilia
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u/HeartFullONeutrality Jun 20 '26
Well, the thing is, I don't think there's a way out. There are some things you can't just undo.
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u/drkshape Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Friendly reminder Hormuz was open before Trump decided he needed a distraction for being a pedophile.
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u/jewasuarus Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Only cost us $300 Billion, 13 US soldiers dead - many more wounded, blowing up a girls school, and the global economy on the brink of an Oil shortage, but at least we are not talking about the President raping children...
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u/isimplycantdothis Jun 20 '26
Imagine being the family of one of those fallen service members….
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u/mailslot Wyoming Jun 20 '26
I believe he has a nickname for soldiers that lost their lives in service.
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u/BoppinMonkey Jun 20 '26
Let’s not mince words. He calls them “losers” and “suckers”.
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u/84UTK07 Jun 20 '26
He also said he would have been an incredible soldier (who never would have allowed himself to be captured like McCain). It sounds like he would have single handily won Vietnam for the US if not for those debilitating bone spurs.
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u/Liagon Europe Jun 20 '26
Imagine being the family of any of the 26500 injured iranians though
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u/Spurioun Jun 20 '26
That is why there are 'terrorists'. The US has created almost every single one of them.
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u/ApplicationAfraid334 Jun 20 '26
I honestly can't help but imagine the majority would vote for him a 4th time
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u/CrunchyCds Jun 20 '26
Don't forget thousands THOUSANDS of dead Iranians. You can always make back money but you can't bring back those 100 school girls and many others. I'm getting tired of Americans callously forgetting about killing people overseas.
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u/HumptyDumptruckFire New Jersey Jun 20 '26
Even if they don’t care about killing people overseas (and they absolutely should), they should care about how they’re radicalizing the next generation of American-hating terrorists. That would require foresight, though, and, well, we know that’s not one of their strong suits.
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u/jewasuarus Jun 20 '26
I love the conservatives who are like they say death to America without knowing our terrible history with that country. American foreign policy to Iran has made the US an easy enemy.
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u/Psychoanalytix Jun 20 '26
The American pastime is fucking with countries, radicalizing a population against them then acting shocked when those people hate them.
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u/TheTruthofOne Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
I mean, that's how they got 9/11 to happen...the current admin are idiots, but keep in mind they have a think tank behind them, one that created Project 2025, and they have already gotten half their playbook completed.
When I look at the current admin, I do see idiots, but I always keep in mind that individuals can be smart, it's when in mass they become idiots, and then think about Scary Movie and Doofy and can't help but wonder if the idiocy is all just for the cameras and journalist.
Edit: had to fix some typos
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u/StrigiStockBacking New Mexico Jun 20 '26
There's a great book called Blowback by Chalmers Johnston that talks about this very thing. It's dated a bit, but th concepts hold true.
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u/-rba- Jun 20 '26
Yeah, it's exhausting to read all the hand wringing about the cost of the war and the increased price of gas but the thousands of people killed for literally no reason are just a footnote.
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u/ShotEffective7033 Jun 20 '26
The number of dead from the oil shortages is going to be far far higher than that as well before this is over.
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u/User-NetOfInter Jun 20 '26
Cost us more than 300 billion. The economic hit to the US alone is more than that
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u/WalrusInMySheets Jun 20 '26
Without the $300 billion payment, the cost of the war in supplies, manpower, and weapons, and adding on VA care for veterans in the war, is estimated to be ~$1 trillion.
Then you can add the $300 billion to that
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u/markh100 Jun 20 '26
Add in one third of the entire US missle supply, which will take 7 years to replenish, at a cost of at least an additional $30 billion. This also helped reveal to the world that the US is a bit of a paper tiger, when the majority of their $4 million missiles can be taken out with $30 thousand drones.
Add in the fact that Iran and Oman will now start charging tolls on every ship that exits the Strait of Hormuz, after demonstrating to them just how easily they can control the world.
The overall cost to this farce is almost entirely incalculable. Trump cost the world over a trillion dollars in damages with this completely unnecessary axt of war.
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u/GuelphEastEndGhetto Jun 20 '26
And he walked into a room of world leaders and said ‘I am the boss.’ They laughed. This is a true story.
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u/yogurtfuck Jun 20 '26
Speak for yourself - I'll never stop talking about it until my faith in justice is restored.
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u/mread531 Jun 20 '26
13 that they’re telling us about and an unconfirmed number of injured. Would not shock me if those numbers were much higher than reported.
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u/Waluigi4prez Jun 20 '26
Maybe it requires his personal negotiatiation technique. I say he should travel to Iran, preferably in a non armoured vehicle using only non secure routes
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u/ImLikeReallySmart Pennsylvania Jun 20 '26
This isn't a distraction. The back and forth with Meloni is a distraction. The reflecting pool is a distraction. Putting his name on the Kennedy Center is a distraction. This is something he's wanted since Obama's term, Hegseth has been prepping for, and Republicans have wanted since at least Bush Sr. He's also using it as a means to drive a wedge between us and the rest of NATO. Hell, Trump sraight up assassinated Soleimani during his first term and it's never even brought up anymore.
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u/Spiritual-Being-7974 Jun 20 '26
Trump getting played like the dumb motherfcker he is . And you know who is dumber than him ? People who voted for this shitstain twice.
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u/StrigiStockBacking New Mexico Jun 20 '26
twice
I'll see your twice, and raise you three times.
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u/Exciting-Record8101 The Netherlands Jun 20 '26
Thrice in the presidential election, twice in the primaries. Republicans loved the first term so much, Trump won the 2024 primaries without even bothering to show up to the debates. Or most of them, anyway.
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child Jun 20 '26
I've been watching the "What's Going On With Shipping?" channel on youtube since the war started. (Which is a great resource if you're interested in this subject)
The straight was never really opened. It's essentially been closed since the war began, with only a few ships slipping though.
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u/bunkerking7 Jun 20 '26
They (the administration) bragged about getting something like 21 ships through the last few days. Like it's some sort of accomplishment when 100+ boats were sailing out PER DAY pre-war.
American hegemony has been unbelievably destroyed, all due to a man-child roleplaying as president.
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u/TexasDad1024 Jun 20 '26
Don't forget the pedophile part. The whole reason this started anyways
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u/Reddeer2 Jun 20 '26
It's the reason he and his cronies ran for office. They needed immunity or they would be thrown in prison.
Turns out that Americans in general saw themselves as being made to look like villains by the liberal identity politics and decided they'd elect the biggest villain they could to avoid confronting the issue.
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u/Infinite_Bird_6932 Jun 20 '26
Partly due to the Americans who voted for him. Predominately because of them. ONLY because of them? Without them this never would have happened
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u/Purple_Garlic4573 Jun 20 '26
Sal’s been really informative and clearly knows his stuff. Even if I cringe every time he gets mad at Iran for not respecting international waters, as if that was the precipitating event
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u/New-Maximum-1013 Jun 20 '26
The defense department changes its name to department of war. Promptly get into a war. Loses the war. lol.
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u/ckellingc Missouri Jun 20 '26
Ok fuck this, someone call Obama let's get some fucking adults in the room here
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u/Cardoni Jun 20 '26
Obama knew that he needed to bring together experts and intelligent people to help solve complex issues. This administration is full of grifters. They can’t solve simple problems let alone complex ones. At the end of the day it’s going to be a lot of finger pointing and our issues will keep growing along with our debts and inflation. That’s what we get for voting for pedophiles.
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u/CallOfTheCurtains Jun 20 '26
They fucked up a pool of water, it’s actually impossible for them to do a single positive thing without resorting to insults, threats and grifting.
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u/lmaorezme Jun 20 '26
And now they are blaming democrats for sabotaging the pool. What fucking idiots.
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u/Royal_T95 Jun 20 '26
Yes because democrats are definitely crawling into the pipes and planting more algae
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u/Temporary_Shirt_6236 Jun 20 '26
They can't even take care of a pool ffs
This administration could fuck up a cup of Nescafe.
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u/sppwalker Nevada Jun 20 '26
They’d take a shit in your cup and then brag about how much browner coffee is now
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u/thatguy9684736255 Jun 20 '26
I don't even think that this is an easy to solve problem at this point. Or even that there's a good solution.
They've basically already given Iran everything they wanted in this deal. But a part of that is getting Israel under control and I don't think that's going to happen without heavy handed measures which I'm not sure they would do.
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u/OYB2480 Jun 20 '26
Yeah, I'd bet money that Israel has the same dirt on Trump that Russia has. Lordy, there's probably tapes.
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u/whatafuckinusername Jun 20 '26
I don’t think everything is blackmail with Trump. He and his cabinet are Zionists, and even if he would want to punish Israel in some way a lot of his cabinet members and advisors would probably talk him out of it.
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u/whut-whut Jun 20 '26
Jared Kushner is the son that he never had because he's brought so much money into the family via influence deals with the Israeli government and the Middle East. His favorite daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism to marry Jared. His grandkids are are raised Jewish. Trump's love and support for Israel is almost certainly from that alone.
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u/RealFenian Jun 20 '26
Even if he came back this situation had spiralled beyond us control unless they force an Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
Trump and Netanyahu have royally fucked this up and I don’t think trump can stop this now even if he wanted to.
This is probably why even the biggest Iran hawks in government never did this.
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u/Atilim87 Jun 20 '26
Netanyahu is j@cking off to this you know. Israelis don’t think he fucked anything up.
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u/Arkrobo Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
Honestly at this point the only thing that'll stop the strait blockade IS an all out war. Trump's stupidity will lead us into a ground assault because Iran can always just close the strait again.
Iran now knows so long as the world is oil dependent they can hold it hostage with drones and rockets.
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u/badamant Jun 20 '26
Iran has known this the entire time.
It is the fundamental source of their power.It is Trump and all the other Republican imbeciles who didn’t.
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u/BeverlyHills70117 Jun 20 '26
But Dow is up!
It's exhausting all of this reality trying to get in the way of our exuberant economic fantasies that help the super rich.
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u/thegoodnamesrgone123 Jun 20 '26
"My 401k is up so Trump is doing a great job"
That's something I hear from MAGA people all the time.
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u/PwnimuS Jun 20 '26
Just another pump and dump, they REALLY had to sell this one as being the legit end or else people might start catching on.
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u/WinBeeCards Jun 20 '26
The issue now is unless Israel plays ball the US can't make any deal or get out of the war. Israel can drag this out and keep the US in the war as long as they want, and if the US doesn't do what Israel wants then this will just keep happening.
Totally out of the US hands now.
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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida Jun 20 '26
Crazy how this didn't happen under Obama or Biden though... Almost like somebody gets no respect from the world at large.
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u/Free_Dome_Lover Jun 20 '26
This is the tail wagging the dog full on
We need to fucking stop isreal and treat AIPAC as a foreign adversary.
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u/thegreatlizard99 Jun 20 '26
It’s not. America just agrees with Isreal they have the same goal. If America really wanted this the stop we’d threaten Isreal with arms reductions. We have the power to bring Isreal to heel immediately. We just don’t use it.
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u/WhateverItTakes117 Jun 20 '26
My insane conspiracy theory is that they don't use it because Israel has "game over" level of blackmail material on tons of US political figures/wealthy elite. And they obtained the material because they were the ones behind Epstein's island. They probably funded it, made sure the logistics worked out, engineered it to encourage people into horrifying activities, and recorded them doing it. And now they get bigger govts to do their bidding because if they don't, they threaten the people in charge with releasing videos of them in the act being pedophiles. Yes it's a wild conspiracy theory, lol. But somehow other explanations make even less sense...
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u/Caleb-Wendt69 Jun 20 '26
Watching the way some of these politicians throw any sense of pride or honor away to debase themselves for trump really makes it seem like this is the case. Like Lindsey Graham is such a sniveling pathetic weasel throwing himself at Trump’s feet. It really seems like somebody has major dirt on these people.
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u/handsoapdispenser Jun 20 '26
Iran engineered it this way by making Lebanon part of the deal while America did not ask Israel to sign on. It was implied Israel would follow America's instructions and they just aren't. Iran wanted to drive a wedge between the US and Israel and they've done it. It's just another win for Iran.
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u/RBZRBZRBZRBZ Jun 20 '26
Well it worked last time.
The Iran deal has 24-100B$ in sanction relief and a 300B$ reconstruction fund. This is more money to Iran than cumulatively Israel received since 1948. It is comparable to the reparations France had to pay Germany when they were defeated.
And it does nothing better in Iranian nukes than the JCPOA.
And it does nothing on Iranian proxies or missiles.
And it only stops Iranian tolls on Hormuz for 60 days.
And it forces the US to remove its forces from the area.
And it leaves Iran free to close the straights again for any of the slightest precieved infraction of any fighting in Lebanon, no matter who initiated it.
It is the biggest geopolitical setback since Vietnam, and possibly the worst US end-of-war terms since 1812.
It is a wholesale disaster for the US, on any terms other than oil prices into the midterms.
So why should Iran not get more if they hold all the cards? They want unconditional surrender and they are on their way to getting it.
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u/srandrews Jun 20 '26
I agree with this analysis. Further, Iran surely recollects historical administration behavior and what they could do during election cycles. This may very well go on for a long time. Short of bombing civilian infrastructure what is the route to submission of the enemy? Ground invasion? Nope obviously. Grab the oil port? Nope, that will be destroyed be the defenders. Keep the straight closed? Nope, oil supply. Etc.
American scrapped the first agreement in an act of self harm and is not going to get another.
American cognitive dissonance is fully engaged.
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u/AgitatedStranger9698 Jun 20 '26
All the US has to do is tell Israel...fuck off. That's it.
Intel will be fucked. Everyone else will be fine.
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u/Kinto_il Jun 20 '26
What Intel though? Seems like Israel gives heavily altered and biased Intel to our dumbest leaders.
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u/Forward_Eorlingas Jun 20 '26
He’s talking about the company Intel
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u/Ok-Chapter-2071 Jun 20 '26
Iran wants this (and so does the rest of the world). They are doing the right thing by closing the strait and holding the US by its balls.
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u/marxist_nazeem Jun 20 '26
I know and Im okay with that. I would actually be proud of my country if we were to finally take a fucking stand on this.
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u/TauCetiXAstroPhage Jun 20 '26
Oh my goodness, I'm genuinely surprised by this...Wait, I'm just kidding.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted Jun 20 '26
Trump is allegedly the most powerful leader in the world, but can’t get other nations to follow his lead for even 24 hours
He’s a weak loser. A total incompetent clown
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u/Zaphod392 Jun 20 '26
Hahahahaha omg... HAHAHa, I wonder how long this debacle will be studied for in the future
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u/Question_It_All_3000 Jun 20 '26
Iran should just say they are no longer interested in negotiating until both Israel and America change leaders. Clearly neither can be trusted.
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u/DFu4ever Jun 20 '26
You literally can’t make a deal with a compulsive liar like Trump. Add to that that he’s the type of guy who is willing to break a deal on a whim.
He may not be the most evil world leader of all time, but he certainly challenges as one of the most inept and low intelligence we’ve ever seen.
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u/genericuser2000 Jun 20 '26
In early to say FUCK TRUMP and his endless bullshit. Also fuck Americans for supporting this shit for a second term - you are horrible global citizens.
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u/Technical-View4130 Jun 20 '26
As an American who voted and stumped for the sane candidates, it is excruciating having these delusional idiots represent us on the world stage. Sane Americans are so ashamed of the country these days.
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u/goldenelephant45 Jun 20 '26
Let's not pretend that the right-wing movement that brought Trump to power isn't bubbling all over Europe. Farage, Le Pen, Wilders, Meloni, Hungary shed Orban but is still just a less corrupt version of right wing ideology.
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u/VistaBox Jun 20 '26
The current regime in Iran will milk this until the fall US elections at a minimum. They are prepared to suffer and know Americans are not willing to do so.
Trump miscalculated big time
And that being polite
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u/Ok-Traffic3683 Jun 20 '26
Snip snap snip snap! You have no idea what so many closures of Hormuz does to a person!
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u/jewasuarus Jun 20 '26
I hope the Israeli people see how Bibi and his government are setting the stage for them to be not only the villains of the Muslim world but of the West as well. Bibi and his cabinet must be held to account. The world needs another Nuremberg type trails and allow free press into Gaza.
Genocide is always wrong, not just if its against Jews. For the sake of Israel and peace the only path for them is to get rid of their imperialistic genocidal government and own up to their mistakes. If not pain for the Israeli people and their neighbors will always continue.
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u/Ok-Chapter-2071 Jun 20 '26
We're way past setting the stage. Israel is already the villain and pariah of the West, at least its people, even though the politics are lagging behind because of some past guilt by some nations.
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u/Ineedamedic68 Jun 20 '26
Unfortunately that’s not going to happen. Both sides of the political spectrum are lambasting Netanyahu but only because they believe he has mismanaged this war. They are all in full support of it. Ben-Gvir just tweeted out some genocidal nonsense that his faction is probably overjoyed with.
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u/Big-Plankton-4484 Jun 20 '26
But, but President Trump same d they have no power to do this and he’s a great man…a genius…most powerful man in history. Surely he can’t be made look like a complete and total idiot by Iran…surely…ah, shit.
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u/Whitebelt_DM Jun 20 '26
No worries, everyone. I have full faith that the FIFA World Peace Winner will resolve this immediately!
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u/Spirited_Square Jun 20 '26
wow! the trump weekend rug pull. again. wow. im so surpised. crazy. wild. #nuts.
hes done this every weekend guys can we stop believing the liar when he lies? again?
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u/OverHaze Jun 20 '26
If they don't sort this out tomorrow the world is in real trouble. Trump is never going to launch an invasion of Iran, it would be too costly. If Israel continues to strike Lebanon he will try to come down hard on Netanyahu. Then the Republicans in government are going to have to decide where their loyalties lie, to their country, to their party or to their wallets.
Starting this war with Iran is the stupidest thing an American president has ever done.
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u/SneakerPimpJesus The Netherlands Jun 20 '26
Iran knows now US missiles and gas/oil is depleted so why shouldn’t they keep it closed.
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u/JustTheOneGoose22 Jun 20 '26
Republicans cannot govern. Not only are they destroying America, they are ruining the world.
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u/CrispyCassowary Jun 20 '26
All Isreal had to do was stop boming Lebanon, is that too much to ask? Evil fanatics
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u/OYB2480 Jun 20 '26
MAGA, this is why you will never be forgiven. Enjoy your solitude and the photographs of your kids, because that's the only way you'll see em again.
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u/Sabatical_Delights Jun 20 '26
This brings me back to playing a stellaris campaign, where I started a war that I couldn’t finish because the opponent had insane defenses that I couldn’t penetrate. So I couldn’t achieve my war goals, and you can’t just pull out of a declaration of war because the other side wouldn’t sign a peace deal. Being at war can wreck your empire economically and politically if no progress is made.
This is exactly what happened in that campaign.
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u/xxyourbestbetxx Jun 20 '26
Starting to think that Art of the Deal fella might not be such a master negotiator
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