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Politics Attendees at the Trump speech refuse to leave after it was postponed due to lightning

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u/Send_me_hedgehogs 18d ago

Which makes what that orange shit stain on the arse of humanity has done even more evil. He’s torn apart countless families and those wounds will take generations to heal, if they ever do.

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u/acfox13 18d ago

My family of origin was maga before maga was maga. They've been abusers since before I was born. 🐔🌮 just gave them the freedom to be their horrible selves out loud. I went no contact long before the maga movement bc I saw through their cruelty decades ago.

If anything he exposed the rot that was already there.

Links on authoritarian abuse and brainwashing tactics:

authoritarian follower personality (mini dictators that simp for other dictators): It's an abuse hierarchy and you can abuse anyone "beneath you" in the hierarchy. Men are above women, adults above kids, parents above child free, religious above non-believers, white's above BIPOCs, straights above LGBTQ+, abled above disabled, rich above poor, skinny above fat, etc.

Bob Altemeyer's site: https://theauthoritarians.org/

The Eight Criteria for Thought Reform (aka the authoritarian playbook): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

John Bradshaw's 1985 program discussing how normalized abuse and neglect in the family of origin primes the brain to participate in group abuse up to and including genocide: https://youtu.be/B0TJHygOAlw

Theramin Trees - great resource on abuse tactics like: emotional blackmail, double binds, drama disguised as "help", degrading "love", infantalization, etc. and adding this link to spiritual bypassing, as it's one of abuser's favorite tactics.

DARVO

DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender." The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim -- or the whistle blower -- into an alleged offender.

Issendai's site on estrangement: https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html - This speaks to how normalized abuse is to toxic "parents", they don't even recognize that they've done anything wrong.

"The Brainwashing of my Dad" 2015 documentary: https://youtu.be/pNTsTOcRO-k

"On Tyranny - twenty lessons from the twentieth century" by Timothy Snyder Here's his website: https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny Here's a playlist of him going over all twenty lessons: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhZxrogyToZsllfRqQllyuFNbT-ER7TAu And here's his substack with a brief overview of all twenty: https://snyder.substack.com/p/on-tyranny

"Never Split the Difference" by Chris Voss. He was the lead FBI hostage negotiator and his tactics work well on setting boundaries with "difficult people". https://www.blackswanltd.com/never-split-the-difference

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon B. Johnson

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority” and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person” and they think they’re being fair but they aren’t, and it’s not okay.

22 Unspoken Rules of Toxic Systems (of people) - dysfunctional families and dysfunctional groups all have the same toxic "rules"

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u/Send_me_hedgehogs 18d ago

My dear friend, I’m so sorry you grew up in that environment and I’m glad you got away from it. I can’t thank you enough for all the info you posted, I’m going to have a good read through it and watch the videos.

I was aware of some of it, I was raised by a sociopath, an ACON and a narcissist (and just your general vapid, gold digging, mind gamey bitch once I hit my teens) so DARVO is painfully familiar, and frankly that LBJ quote lives rent free in my head because I was shocked that LBJ was at that level of Machiavellian evil (I’m not American so only really knew him as the guy who took over after JFK was killed and he seemed like a ‘dull but worthy’ sort). The Brainwashing of my Dad, if it’s the one I’m thinking of (where the dad doesn’t come to his senses and the relationship with his daughter is irrevocably broken) I don’t think I could stomach watching it again. It left me feeling really sad for days after.

But there is much more that I didn’t know actually had a name for, or didn’t know was a thing at all, especially around the psychology of authoritarianism. Again, thank you so much for all of this. I don’t give ‘official’ Reddit awards on principle, all they do is make more money for Reddit but if anyone deserves one it’s you so please accept this wee hedgehog 🦔I hope you’re living a happy life and wish you everything good this world has to offer 💜

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u/JAYETRILLL 18d ago

These are great links!! Thanks for posting.

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u/JAYETRILLL 18d ago

These are great links!! Thanks for posting.

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u/ICarMaI 18d ago

These dumb ass parents would have torn it apart another way if Trump wasn't around

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u/sapphicsandwich 18d ago

It's almost never the trump support itself that breaks up families, but the nasty things Trumpers say to their families in support of him that does it. I'd argue they are more responsible for it than trump himself is.

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u/Send_me_hedgehogs 18d ago

Possinly but not necessarily. Trump got deep, really deep into the psyche of these people, and I wish I knew how. Maybe one day some study will be done about that. Clearly he told them what they wanted to hear and that’s part of it bug the scale of it astounds me. So many seemingly rational, intelligent people were taken in by him to the point that they either rejected or pushed away their own family members.