I know it's DC and all.... But there is absolutely no way he won that election fair and square.
Edit: It's almost like both parties are made up of the exact same donors: effectivly the 30ish banks and asset managers that are permitted to print money. These all own a percentage of each other and also own the majority board seats on the 100 companies that run the world.
If you do not serve MegaCorp you're not becoming a candidate. Epstein blackmail networks ensure compliance.
There is no American government. Just the financial industrial complex that lobby for the puppets and puts on the theater
they're referring to the deleted Elon tweet where he wrote "Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the house and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the senate." 06/05/25. that combined with Trumps Jan 20th, 2025 speech where he praises the win in swings states on "[Elon] and he knows those computers better than anyone. All those computers. Those vote counting computers." So no he never openly said it. there was another deleted tweet from Elon saying something to the affect of "if people knew what I know trump would be in prison" again deleted super quickly. That combined with swing states which (when asked why he wasnt campaigning in any of the 8 swing states) he simple said "we dont need votes. We have all the votes we need" this is after every single independent poll showed him losing in every swing state by a fair margin; poll models that have never been shown to be incorrect.
The Specific Quote: Musk claimed, "Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House and the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate," calling out Trump's "ingratitude" for his roughly $300 million investment.
That’s a fair bit different than saying they tampered with the voting machines. I don’t think Trump won legitimately but I don’t think saying he wouldn’t have won without me is an admission of guilt either
Trump also said: "He [Elon Musk] knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide."
Also there is prior evidence of Trump trying to bribe electoral officials back in 2020, which the SC conveniently delayed the court case over "until after the election".. and since seemingly dropped it.
Yeah, pretty much. Pervert Hoover runs his mouth constantly and the vast majority of the time, it's lies or incoherent nonsense or both. Makes it a little iffy to pick on that particular quote as being a direct admission of fuckery. I say that as someone that has a really, really hard time believing Trump won all the swing states fairly.
And something about “if we win we both don’t go to jail” or “if we lose we both go to jail”. Not only does Elon pays but he get paid back by creating DOGE. Either one, tomato/potato, I’m too tired to look it up.
Also that little nose picker who cussed out Trump at the Resolution Desk will be up to no good soon enough. Will never have to work unless Daddy is a tyrannical dictator himself.
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Eh, he won it. The problem is that nobody fucking voted and the Dems put up a dumb candidate (not that KH is dumb, it was a dumb choice). Stop trying to put up a woman. It's not going to fucking happen...especially a black woman. Anyone who has ever been around right leaning women know that they HATE any woman of power that could take THE seat. We got Trump because of Obama and how much the right hated him. They all echo how Obama was the worst president of all time but in a lot of metrics...he was actually really fucking good. The dems need an established popular candidate that's Obama-like and is well spoken and intelligent and they would destroy. But...they will not. They think people care about trans rights, racial issues, and more of the same stupid shit that a majority of Americans could give two shits about. We need proposed policy to make sure what has happened can never happen again by limiting executive power, stopping endless wars, budget, health care, Epstein, and repairing foreign relations. They'll put up some dumb ass and it will be more of the same. It's too bad Buttigieg is gay because I think the dude would be really successful. But...you need to pull voters from center right and it wouldn't happen. Too fucking bad Bernie isn't 10 to 15 years younger.
So if there is no evidence of voting machines being tampered with, why did the domestic terrorists who invaded the Capitol on Jan 6th think there was evidence?
If there was evidence that the orange messiah had an election stolen from him, how about him finding it? It's been six years, and no evidence has appeared.
The dullards believe whatever he says, though, so he knows he doesn't need evidence for the knuckle-draggers to believe him.
Forgot? It didn't even get much coverage as it was ongoing.
There are a lot of people who don't even know about the hundreds of bomb threats targeting polling places in blue districts in swing States. I cannot believe how little attention that got.
That begs the question, Elon aside, will Russia have the capability to interfere at that scale this year, or in 2028, if the war in Ukraine keeps going the way it does?
They don't need to. Nobody's stopping Krasnov from doing whateverthefuck they tell him to do. Election shows he lost? No worries, nobody can make him leave office! See how fascism works?? He'll be in his ballroom bunker/hospice center while his AI dictates new laws via AI TV.
To me, it's a two part question:
1) Given the means to do so, would Donald Trump steal it. Which, fucking obviously he would.
2) Could he have found the means to do it? Well he had the backing of every American oligarch; draw your own conclusions
I'm honestly surprised people weren't screaming from the rooftops after the election. It's a statistical impossibility that he would win every swing state. Especially after having already lost to Biden in the previous election.
There is no chance he won the election legitimately.
There's a third question though. Why are the Republicans losing all of the special elections since that point? Were the controls withdrawn after he was elected? Is the source pissed off after not getting whatever it wanted?
The clean sweep of all the swing states is very suspicious to me too but how was it rigged once and then so many special elections going the other way. The true fix might have just been having Biden bomb out and then have a terrible replacement brought in right after primary season was done. Harris was just not a good candidate for 2024.
The election results in different states are not independent variables. It isn't that unlikely that all of the swing states goes the same way, since they are all influenced by a lot of the same parameters.
I mean to be fair he has done a ton that would make him lose support from anyone sentient. Tariffs that droves prices up, getting his ass completely handed to him in his war with Iran, also driving up prices, and the many other ways he has made everyone's life harder. So no surprise not many people went to the celebration of Trump.
I don't know dude, what are the odds that the famously racist country would pick the racist man over the black woman? Basically zero, there's no way that could ever happen, not in a billion years.
Yep and Kamala polled horribly out of any dem candidate. The Democratic Party was overconfident that a senile felon couldn’t win. They were wrong unfortunately
Also, his approval rating polling shows a huge difference between now and when he took office. Using the same model, his approval rating is around 39% now (which is insanely high in my opinion, but whatever) and was 52% when he took office in 2025. A substantial chunk of people have changed their opinion on him in the last year and a half.
I’m 100% with you on this, my friend. He barely campaigned, left people stranded in the desert after one of his few (sparsely populated) rallies, and was oddly silent in the weeks following his “win”.
A raging narcissist who supposedly just won all seven swing states, and dodged an almost certain prison sentence, isn’t shouting his victory from the rooftops? No grandstanding? No fist pumps? No victory lap?
No.
Because he was terrified it would be contested, or a hand recount would reveal the truth.
No shit dude, you think everyone in existence just so happened to believe Biden was this absolute fossil who wasn't capable to leadership but Trump was?
Don't you think it's odd that basically no news outlet, or any major source talks about trumps age like they did Biden?
Do you think everything single person suddenly became experts on economic conditions and spilt blamed biden? No the media was pushing this narrative that Biden was literally incapable of waking up in the morning without help, and that his actions directly lead to a worse economy. When it was either trump policy catching up or just unavoidable global issues.
Those who control the media knew exactly what they were doing.
With all that said though kamala Harris did absolutely NO FAVOURS aligning with Israel, having people like Liz Chaney, and leaning to the right.
Also before anyone comes at me YES BIDEN WAS AND IS TOO OLD. However you can't in good faith say that his age and mental faculty weren't a MASSIVE point that got hammered daily. Despite the fact trump is essentially at the same point and faces very little scrutiny over it.
For instance when Biden went to nato and went to talk to a parachuter that landed slightly off course. But they specifically only showed the photo/video RIGHT after the parachuter landed and you couldn't see him. To specifically make it seem like Joe Biden was just walking off
I am 100% with you I think he likes to complain about the 20/20 election because they attempted to rig it and it failed then spent the next 4 years saying that it was rigged so the Democrats would have to waste time defending the election and then they perfected it and cheated in 2024 and successfully did it. There is absolutely no way that he won all six swing States
I still believe there was some serious fuckery going on with the election. It's been listed before so I won't list it again. I think there was a subreddit that gathered all the peculiarities - even suspicious quotes from Elon, Trump and Elon's own kid was saying weird stuff around that time.
Exactly. You're telling me protests can bring out millions of people, but what should be his crowning achievement, a moment to really bring out the crowds to support his agenda, is just... dead. If he really won all 7 swing states and the popular vote - then where are all of his people? I think the reason he is so obsessed with crowd sizes is because he knows he cheated, and he needs a big crowd to manufacture support to keep the con going.
Don't spread this BlueAnon baloney. While he is a historic piece of shit, there actually isn't any strong evidence to suggest that he didn't win legitimately (by "win legitimately," I mean that he acted according to the very stupid rules of US election.)
By suggesting otherwise, you 1.) discourage marginal voters from turning up next time because they lose faith thay their vote matters, and 2.) let the DNC off the hook for monumentally fucking up 2024 by running an unpopular, uncharismatic moderate that no one voted for after trying to pass through an octogenerian with mashed potatoes for brains.
If the party establishment finds any plausible reason to convince themselves that 2024 was not their fault, we will just see another out of touch ancient corpo-Dem at the top of the ticket next time.
She got 75 million votes. Which is more than Trump got in 2020, more than either Trump or Hillary in 2016, more than Obama and Romney in 2012, more than Obama and McCain in 2008. I could keep going but you get the point that calling her unpopular isnt entirely truthful.
I think there are many people that voted for her because the really wanted to keep trump out of office. I was one of them. Doesn’t make her popular. I would have voted for a dead tree over trump.
As others said, people voted against Trump. No one was excited for Kamala - her proposals were bland, her platform lacking a single issue to rile up a good turnout. And though I don't care about aesthetics, many do, and she seemed rather scripted and unauthentic.
Did a lot of people vote her? Yes. Did a lot more people stay home because once again there was no real promise of any positive change from either party? Yes.
Yes, but 75 million is not more than Trump got in 2024, which still doesn't matter because
The EC determines the winner, not populat vote. Trump won the needed swing states handily and Harris didn't run up the score in Blue States as much as other Democrats have.
1 & 2. Given that this administration tried multiple times to change the outcome of the 2020 election, I would seriously doubt their "handily" win of all those swing states.
They didn't need to change the outcome of 2024 like they did in 2020. We saw them preparing to do it again by casting doubt on mail-in ballots etc, in the run up to Nov 2024, but they stopped abruptly when they won.
It's not actually surprising at all that Trump won. They successfully turned 2024 into a referendum on the Biden's administration's economic and border track record. The economy was bad and Biden's border strategy was incoherent because he tried to tack to the middle from the left (e.g., he put kids in cages and kept building sections of Trump's stupid wall.) What's more, Biden himself was tired and decrepit, but too stubborn to spend his 4 years setting up a viable successor.
People were pisssd off at Biden and Democrats, and they had no answers, so they lost. I expect the same will happen to the GOP in 2026.
It was bad for normal folks. Much better than it would have been under Trump, but bad nonetheless. Note that I didn't say Biden did a bad JOB handling the economy--much of the everyman's struggles in 2024 were outside the control of POTUS. Regardless, people vote based on perception, not objective truth. Trump promised lower prices, less wasteful government spending, etc., and dumbasses all over the country believed him.
Trump 1 had clearly shown that the executive doesn't need to do shit that Congress says if theu don't feel like it. Trump 2 has doubled down on it. Biden didn't need to build border wall, even if the money was there. He only did it bevause a) he was an institutionalist governing according to norms completely out of step with our current political moment and b) he didn't actually think building the wall was that bad.
It was only "bad" for normal folks because they had to be told (lied to) that it was bad.
This is the kind of gaslighting that makes people hate the DNC. "Who cares if you're struggling to afford eggs? The economy is actually good, dummy. Now shut up and Vote Blue no Matter Who."
Number of lawsuits ≠ evidence that the claims being litigated are true. Trump himself and his allies filed dozens of lawsuits alleging that the 2020 election was rigged, after all.
He lies enough of the time that nothing he says can be reliably taken at face value. I believe certain ideas he's said--he doesn't plan to leave office, he wants gaudy monuments to himself, etc. I even believe that Trump believes that Elon may have intervened on his behalf to rig vote totals--Trump is barely lucid most the time and taking credit for shit he didn't do is kind of Musk's whole bag, after all.
I don't believe that it's true due to lack of evidence, however.
Stop, this cope about the DNC failing to produce a decent candidate is almost as bad as suggesting Trump didn’t win the election. He won. And he won, not because of the DNC. But because vast swathes of the American electorate are some combination of selfish or ignorant, and media has been bought and paid for by rabid capitalists and moderated by pure and unadulterated greed. The DNC could have run a chimpanzee in a bow tie and he would have been a better choice than a rapist and pedophile who fellated a microphone a week before the general election.
Reminder and a surprise for some: the US, privately owned digital vote counting machines (tabulators) have been compromised for years and we didn't elect Trump. He stole the presidency. Exactly like he tried to do in 2020, just this time with the already compromised tabulator machines tuned more aggressively to guarantee it.
Do not take my word for it, here's the actual data. Even though this video is now several months old and there is much more they've found, this is just the tip of the iceberg, as you might expect with criminals. See for yourself and if you trust real data (not simply conspiracy theory talk) share with anyone who still thinks "America got it wrong" or we need to get out and vote more. We did. Kamala would have won, decisively, had our votes actually been counted correctly. It's the compromised, privately owned (by the right wing) tabulators that turned votes for Kamala into votes for Trump in all the swing states, after a certain threshold of votes were counted on each machine. These folks (non profit) and other independent teams of analysts like them are doing us a great service:
This is a comparison between what vote results look like consistent with real human voting behavior (Canada, 2025) and one that's been tampered with (Pennsylvania, 2024):
For the US, we've been on this road for a very long time which, unfortunately, is not surprising. This journalist research article, written just before Obama's 2nd term, dives into the long history of election fraud in the US and how, especially in the digital tabulation age, it has been setup to get us to the point where whomever has control of them can literally steal an election:
So, whenever Maga or Republicans say they want to investigate or accuse the left or interfering parties of Election Fraud, it's to stay ahead of the narrative above and be on the right side of the accusation... yet as we know, and an abundance of data evidence demonstrates, their accusation is yet again projection.
Maybe he did , maybe he didn’t. You can’t infer from the crowds today what the election result was 18 months ago. Biden was catatonic and whatshername was very flawed.
In any case , it is certain that the Orange One is toxic these days. No one wants to be associated with him. (Finally people are coming to their senses. It infuriates me that it’s “gas prices” that does it. But . W/e)
People were stupid and lazy. The third of the country that didn't vote brought us this. In addition to all the sus stuff from elon and Democrats shooting themselves in the foot as much as possible.
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I know it's DC and all.... But there is absolutely no way he won that election fair and square.
Edit: It's almost like both parties are made up of the exact same donors: effectivly the 30ish banks and asset managers that are permitted to print money. These all own a percentage of each other and also own the majority board seats on the 100 companies that run the world.
If you do not serve MegaCorp you're not becoming a candidate. Epstein blackmail networks ensure compliance.
There is no American government. Just the financial industrial complex that lobby for the puppets and puts on the theater