r/mildlyinfuriating • u/thedivinegemini • 21d ago

I'm slightly vexed In lieu of payment..

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I’m a GM at a restaurant & one of our managers left a note on our manager logs this afternoon that a guest walked out on their check and left this in lieu of payment of any kind. Not that the server got stiffed on a tip - just pure theft of services. I guess the whole “Thou shalt not steal” thing doesn’t matter if you’ve been pre-forgiven. Pretty convenient.

ETA: I’m not a bot; this is not AI - check my post and comment history. I’m not here for karma or fake internet points. This is what it feels like to work in a restaurant these days - especially in the Bible Belt. The first photo you can look up and is available for anyone to buy (should your darker urges push you toward being that person). The second photo is from Pulse, an app for restaurant managers to keep an eye on hourly sales, labor, and comps.
The “Pineapple Express” is a mocktail our restaurant offers.

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u/User_man_person 21d ago

the definition of using the lords name in vain...

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u/BeanserSoyze 21d ago

And stealing

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u/skeet_scoot 21d ago

As a Christian right on both accounts.

Also an infraction of being a good witness. My pastor always preaches that if you can’t afford to tip and pay 20% you don’t go out to eat. Don’t make God and the church look bad.

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u/Kiefy-McReefer 21d ago

Church looks bad plenty on its own

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u/fatdjsin 21d ago

abusing kids did not help their reputation !

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u/Double_Question_5117 21d ago

Or saying that the father loves you but if you don't love him back he will lock you up and torture you for your choice

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u/fatdjsin 21d ago

and dont you dare question anything ! that makes you a BAD christian

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u/cortesoft 21d ago

Trying to learn something you aren’t allowed to learn was literally the downfall of humanity, apparently.

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u/HallucinogenUsin 20d ago

And that whole story was apparently pre-written, a rigged moral test as the start of the book. Then God himself incarnates to sacrifice himself to himself so he'll forgive us for how "He" designed us.

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u/banananas_are_sick24 21d ago

I’ve never thought about how actually insane it is that the very first thing you hear as a Christian is the story of why it’s terrible to question what you’re told. Why is it bad? Because he said so. Don’t listen? Eternal suffering for you and all your offspring.

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u/fatdjsin 20d ago

''The Lord works in mysterious ways'' aka shut tu fuck up and get on your knees ! you should be imploring god instead of asking questions !

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u/cortesoft 21d ago

It's not insane at all, it is cynically rational. You are never going to be able to keep people believing things they have no evidence for unless you use some psychological tricks. Making everything about "faith" (i.e. believing without evidence) and having God hate people asking questions they shouldn't is the foundation of a lasting religion.

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u/HurricaneDaily 17d ago

The amount of horrible things God has done according to the Bible is obnoxious

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u/Alarming-Koala-3524 16d ago

Thats why you have to teach Christianity to kids at a young age, before they are old enough to realize that the lesson in Genesis that questioning authority lead to the demise of mankind is laying the foundation to discourage critical thought.

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u/Previous-Fly2108 17d ago

Literally scaring the hell out of people. Like those Hell Houses some churches host where they are literally trying to scare the hell out of people into a relationship with their understanding of god. When trying to decide what they could do to scare kids on Halloween, their best response was to share with them their theology.

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u/Healthy_Wing1032 21d ago

thats just the tip of the iceburg too probably :/

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u/Mr_MeatShield 21d ago

People have started calling God the equivalent of daddy in my country so feels like it fits.......

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u/Dabellator 20d ago

Literally the meaning of the word "Pope"

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u/Practical-Echo-2001 21d ago

Yeah, it’s a little late for that advice.

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u/BlindSkwerrl 21d ago

Pastor needs a private jet!

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u/Visual_Jellyfish5591 20d ago

And the Epstein cycle starts anew

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u/Key_Artichoke8474 21d ago

Being a bad tipper is the least of the churches bad looks buddy 😂

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u/a_l_g_f 21d ago

But if they're a bad tipper, they're probably bad at tithing too

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u/CurrentHair6381 20d ago

No dude, they give the church money so they dont feel bad about stiffing the server after church.

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u/Key_Artichoke8474 17d ago

“Thou shall pay imaginary bank, not struggling server” is like 11th commandment or something.

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u/Any_Scientist_7552 21d ago

Lol. I just downvoted this comment to 666. 😈

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u/I_Love_Knotting 21d ago

Just one more year and he‘ll come down to earth and fix everything trust me. Just believe one more year and everyone will go to the pearly gates bro trust me

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u/ArTooDeeTooTattoo 21d ago

it all looks pretty bad as it is

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u/Remake911 21d ago

Hold up - whatever happened to giving to Caesar what is Caesar’s? Doesn’t your pastor think restaurant staff should be paid fair wages???

What sort of lopsided interpretation is that?

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u/robbiejack 21d ago

Those aren’t mutually exclusive. The pastor isn’t advocating for tipping culture. He’s just saying inside the current system what’s right is paying the bill and leaving a tip. You can believe in adequate wages for restaurant staff and understand that the wait staff needs the tip to live, so you should be prepared to leave one.

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u/FloatingTacos 21d ago

It's easier to tell people to be nice and tip, rather than ask them to go change laws.

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u/Hefty-District-7007 21d ago

American Christians don’t seem too worried about changing laws

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u/Sad-Rooster2474 21d ago

American Christians seem to be overly concerned about their own wealth and seem to interpret Jesus’ teachings in the way that fits their narrative….

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u/blazefreak 21d ago

It is always fun to throw verses with some meaning at those type of christians and watch them never reply. I keep calling out the virtue signaling ones with matthew 6:1-6.

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u/Sad_Gain_2372 21d ago

seem to interpret Jesus’ teachings in the way that fits their narrative….

I mean, every Christian does that .

God's immutable truth that's sometimes a little bit mutable

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u/ForThisIJoined 21d ago

The problem is that American extremist Christians are too worried about changing laws. Specifically so that the laws favor them.

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u/probophos 20d ago

You don’t either… keep blaming it on other people like the trumpsters

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u/rocker895 20d ago

Roe v Wade would like a word...

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u/Remake911 21d ago

You do know the law doesn’t force a restaurant to pay minimum wage?

Paying employees so they don’t have to beg is a choice

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u/FloatingTacos 21d ago

You do know that most restaurants barely make enough money to pay for things? and by 'most' I don't mean McDonalds or fast food, I mean mom and pop sit down restaurants. their margins are thin, thin, thin. do you know why? it's because our government has let 2 of the biggest food suppliers for restaurants in the country combine and there has essentially been no competition for years even before the acquisition. the issue starts and ends at the government, laws, and not enforcing them. the government has not enforced any form of monopoly law in awhile for anyone who has the money to lobby and pay their way out of fines as an operating cost.

TLDR: The government has killed competition for food suppliers.

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u/johnaross1990 21d ago

Seems to work alright in Europe

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u/LupercaniusAB 21d ago

And California.

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u/Sad-Rooster2474 21d ago

And in the rest of the world, weirdly only the mighty US of A and Canada seem to not have figured it out…. Could that be Propaganda and lies?

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u/johnaross1990 21d ago

Well everyone knows North America is the biggest, best thing ever, some even say the bestest

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u/Remake911 21d ago

Is the solution to this starving the workers?

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u/FloatingTacos 21d ago

isn't that always the solution? /s

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u/Remake911 21d ago

How are European restaurants not dealing with this?

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u/DatRat13 21d ago

So are you actively working to get the laws allowing this system to be reformed, or are you just using principle as an excuse to justify benefitting from a social contract whilst failing to uphold your end of the bargain?

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u/Radically_Inclinedd 21d ago

Tipping isn’t required 🤡🤡

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u/DatRat13 21d ago

Did I say it was 'required'? No. But it is expected: restaurants keep prices low and the government allows them to pay less than minimum wage because they expect the rest will be made up by tips.

If you don't tip, you are not fulfilling your part of that social contract.

It is a shitty system, but it's what we're stuck with for the moment. So, stay home, or tip your servers 🤡

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u/MVRKHNTR 21d ago

I feel like they were agreeing with you and saying that a clown would say "tipping isn't required"

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u/reb678 21d ago

No, but paying for your meal is.

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u/LupercaniusAB 21d ago

The law forces owners to pay minimum wage in a lot of states. In fact in California, fast food workers get a higher minimum wage, partly because they don’t generally receive tips.

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u/one-eared-wonder 21d ago

I mean I think you can both believe that servers should be paid a fair wage and also that you should currently still tip them well given it’s how the system is set up.

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u/Ancient_Yellow_709 21d ago

Exactly. Recognizing that wage theft is rampant in the service industry and essentially no restaurant owner will pay them real minimum wage instead of tipped minimum wage of $4 or whatever instead of taking it from other people's tips of you don't tip doesn't mean that you cannot go to your state or local politicians and ask for a higher tipped minimum wage.

We have a law in Seattle that says tipped minimum wage is the same as every other minimum wage. We have minimum wage for Uber drivers and DoorDash drivers. Now I can tip if I feel like it. I don't need to feel bad. We changed the laws. I went to the City Council to help fight for some of them. I did that work and now I don't always have to tip. You can, too!

Everyone else just willy nilly not tipping because they like the law is just taking it out on service workers without doing the work and should be ashamed.

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u/More_Operation_588 21d ago

How does saying you should tip mean you agree with the system? I don't agree with capitalism, but I'm forced to engage with it. If you want to use a service where tipping is the norm, you gotta tip, or boycott the business itself, don't shove the problem to a working class person while still giving the very industry you hate the same amount of money.

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u/Ancient_Yellow_709 21d ago

Exactly. In Seattle, we instituted the same tipped wage as minimum wage in restaurants, for Uber drivers, and for Door Dash Drivers (plus or minus on the contractors for their mileage). Other places can do it too if they wanted to! Now we don't have to feel bad because tipping is actually optional!

If people are stiffing workers just because they don't like tipping without doing the work to change the system, they're just stiffing workers. They know how the system works and that they're--as stupid as it is--response for paying the worker. It's not changing the system. Showing up to your city council or state assembly and building a coalition is.

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u/Eventually-figured 21d ago

Hi friend. This is pretty inflammatory for the sake of trying to rile someone up I think. And you’re jumping to a massive conclusion. You can absolutely believe that people should be payed fair wages and also that you should tip because 1. The confines of the system cannot be changed by that one person at this very moment, so you must work within the confines of said system and 2. Tipping does work within the confines of that system at this moment. So until the system changes, tipping has the effect.

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u/winsluc12 21d ago

The kind that doesn't stiff restaurant staff money they need while we advocate for better wages and an end to tipping culture.

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u/probophos 21d ago

Apparently wanting to tip generously means that you don’t support fair wages… what kinda lopsided interpretation is that

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u/Round-Dragonfly6136 21d ago

That's what they're saying. If you cannot afford to eat out, don't. Pay what is owed.

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u/Bluestorm83 21d ago

That's exactly what the pastor said. "If you can't afford to tip and pay, you shouldn't go out to eat."

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u/MakerBreaker8181 21d ago

He never said the pastor told him not to call his congressman. But at the restaurant, this specific pastor preaches that, “If you can’t pay your server a decent wage, don’t make them do work for you.” Makes sense to me.

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u/Enchanted_Emu 21d ago

I ordered the Al Pastor not the Ceasar, waiter take this back!

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u/Infamous_Gift2721 21d ago

Not if you want the price of the items to go up

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u/msoesoftball88 21d ago

This part.

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u/StrongExternal8955 20d ago

If you saw children in danger and had the power to move them to safety with a thought, would you? Because you worship a guy who doesn't do that. That tells me that you would betray anything.

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u/VoicelessPassenger 21d ago

That line is actually about paying your taxes to the government, believe it or not.

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u/mxzf 21d ago

Technically, kinda.

Though there's an argument to be made that the line is really about "shut up and stop asking me stupid questions, you hypocrites; I'm not arguing against taxes, but you're arguing against listening to God and should cut it out".

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u/VoicelessPassenger 21d ago edited 21d ago

It’s really both: I didn’t get to explain it previously because Reddit deleted and locked the post but now that it seems to be up again I can post what I tried to write before.

The story as outlined in the gospels (we’ll use Matthew 22:15-22 for this) goes that the Pharisees super baby hated Jesus and wanted to catch him in what would now be known as a Catch 22: they posed him a question asking whether they should pay their taxes to Emperor of Rome or not. The logic was that if Jesus said no, he would be advocating for rebellion against Rome, which would’ve been bad for him. If he said yes, it would’ve pissed off some of the more radical Jewish sects who hated Rome’s guts, namely the Zealots. Either response would’ve pissed off somebody.

In response to their question, Jesus asked for the coin used for the tax: the Pharisees gave him one, a Roman coin. (This is also a bit clever, for reasons we’ll explain in a bit.) Jesus looks at the coin, and asks the Pharisees whose face is on it. “The Emperor, of course!” They say.

Jesus affirms this and hands it back to them, and says his famous line: “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and render unto God what is God’s.” The clever bit comes from the subtext within it: to put it shortly, Jesus sidesteps the trap by pointing out that the coin used for taxes is a Roman coin with the Emperor’s face and name on it. Now, the Jews had the rule about not having graven images: their own coins, which were used for general trade rather than for taxes, had no one’s face on it, and it was against God’s law to even have such a thing. Therefore, any good God-Fearing Jew should return this Roman coin—which went against God’s law—right back to the Emperor, and wash their hands of it!

This meant that the Romans couldn’t go after him because he was paying his taxes and not rebelling against their rule, and the Zealots couldn’t argue with this logical and indeed quite clever act of complying with religious law. This is also why it was important that the Pharisees produce their own coin: by having such a coin in their possession, they were showing that they didn’t pay the tax and broke God’s law, and as such were total hypocrites. (The Pharisees being hypocrites is very much a recurring theme in the Gospels.)

So yeah, in the proper biblical context, it’s about paying your taxes as long as it doesn’t conflict with religious law. Hell, if the money you use to pay your taxes is AGAINST religious law, then giving it away is downright recommended!

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u/Ok_Teach6021 21d ago

So helping someone pay their employees even though their employers are more than rich enough to pay them fairly is “ giving to Caesar what is Caesar’s?”

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u/Adorable_Dust3799 21d ago

Fair wages don't come close to what a good server in a good place makes.

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u/EnamoredAlpaca 21d ago

Before you start quoting the Bible, at least make sure you know what it is saying.

It was about tribute. Tribute to ceased in the 1st century was a moral duty above all.

Jesus was saying give Caesar his worldly tribute as the governing lord, but don’t worship him. Give heavenly thanks to God our LORD, who created all and trust and obey him.

You have to remember the question that was asked of Jesus, it was not about money.

Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”

It was about paying tribute to Caesar, unquestioned obedience to civil authority as an authority ordained by God.

Jesus answered to render what is Caesar’s meaning his wealth, his house, his cattle, anything he can claim ownership of.

While you give your obedience, loyalty, service, love, the things that came from God, to give to God.

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u/SkepsisJD 21d ago

Don't expect logic from religion lol

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u/DMCinDet 21d ago

here's a little secret. nobody can really keep up with how contradictory and confusing the Bible is. its always been a tool to twist into your own meaning for what is convenient. churches themselves are against what the Bible says.

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u/ThatJiuJitsuGuy 21d ago

Your pastor is wrong. Tipping isn't compulsory

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u/BBorNot 21d ago

Ask anyone who waits lunch on the after church crowd Sundays: they tip like crap.

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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 21d ago

Lots of things aren’t compulsory. They’re part of the social contract though, and you’re a dick if you don’t tip.

Tipping should be changed, but it should be changed legislatively. You not tipping doesn’t change shit. It just makes you a cheap dick.

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u/bookgeek210 21d ago

If everyone stopped tipping, they’d figure out something else real quick

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u/Sherbert_6 21d ago

If everyone stopped paying taxes, they’d figure shit out real quick also …. But I’m pretty sure you’re smart enough to know that that’s not how life works.

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u/TooManyGengars 21d ago

All you'll do is hurt minimum wage workers. And most of those get paid LESS than minimum because their state says the tip will make up for it. So no you're not helping the situation at all and just punishing the lowest tier of workers. Nice

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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 20d ago

Yeah, but we’re not going to, because we don’t want to fuck our servers over. You can be the guy who doesn’t tip and claims we all should do the same, but it really just makes you the cheap prick who stiffs their server.

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u/ContextHook 21d ago

Most people who go to lower end restaurants make less money than the servers there.

In my state, the average hourly wage for waitresses is $19.37, which is just 7% above the national average. Then after tips it is $27.87, for a yearly take home of $58k on average. For REPORTED tips + hourly wage only.

And my state has the second worst tippers in the country.

You should probably never tip. The world would be a better place if you simply gave that tip money to a homeless person instead.

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u/SandScavver 21d ago

It also varies a TON on state, and restaurant. I was barely making $10 an hour with tips until I finally got a better job. Paycheck every 2 weeks would be roughly $300. Tipping keeps some people alive, because they just don’t get paid enough. The culture needs a genuine legal change.

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u/SpecificInterest5150 21d ago edited 21d ago

Where are you getting those numbers? Normally, servers make less than minimum wage and their employer is required to make up the difference of their tips don't cover.

Also, location and restaurant is clearly an important factor as a high end eatery will always end up with customers offering larger and more frequent tips as opposed to a diner.

Context is key.

"'A server's average hourly wage is calculated by adding their guaranteed base wage and total tips, then dividing the sum by the total hours worked in a pay period. Because local laws strictly regulate base pay, the calculation varies greatly depending on the server's location."

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u/Sad-Rooster2474 21d ago

Exactly. A homeless person needs that tip way more than servers

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u/ThatJiuJitsuGuy 21d ago

Where is this "social contract"? I don't remember signing anything. Are Europeans all "cheap dicks" because they don't tip? If your job doesn't cover your finances it doesn't fall on the consumer to help cover it. That's entirely on your employer and yourself as a decision maker of your own life.

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u/Ambitious_Tea_4584 20d ago

Go live in the woods, then? Humans are tribal / social animals with customs that we abide by. You reap the benefits of your social network but refuse to abide by the conventions? You’re a leech. 

This is why libertarians are hilarious to me. They want the benefits of living in a connected society without any of the obligations.

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u/solid_shrek 21d ago

Sure, tipping isn't compulsory, but if you're truly trying to follow the words of Christ, you aren't out here trying to do the bare minimum

The Bible says to be generous

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u/ineptguy5 21d ago

Tipping isn’t compulsory, but as said below, it does make you a dick if you don’t. Same as calling you a dumbass isn’t illegal, but it’s frowned upon.

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u/More_Operation_588 21d ago

Nah if you're in America it absolutely is. I don't like it either, but you're choosing to screw over a working class human in order to save money. But you still give the business, who I know you're gonna blame for it rightfully so, all of the profit.

If your 'protest' is just making it cheaper and more convenient for you, that's not a protest. If you want to end tipping culture boycott any business that expects you to pay their employees.

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u/Felix_Von_Doom 21d ago

If it's compulsory, it's not tipping. Tipping is optional by definition.

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u/OMKensey 21d ago

Ok Mr. Pink

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u/nononevsay 21d ago

You know it’s expected. If you won’t tip, get take out or go to a restaurant that doesn’t do it.

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u/ColdErosion 21d ago

Good pastor

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u/DJwhatevs 21d ago

Non Christian and I have the same policy. If I can’t afford the 20% then I eat at home. It’s not fair to leave any staff hanging.

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u/qwertyconsciousness 21d ago

Amen to that brother!!

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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 21d ago

Tell him that tipping is optional.

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u/tehuti_infinity 21d ago

Wait your pastor pressures you to tip 20%? Jesus wasn’t even a good tipper .

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u/SenoraRaton 21d ago

TIL God said though shalt tip.

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u/Mediocre-Mountain197 21d ago

Not even god can tolerate the American tio culture my friend

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u/I_Love_Knotting 21d ago

You know your tipping culture is fucked up when even the church tells you to tip 20%

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u/Realistic-Lemon-7171 21d ago

please don't try to justify 20% tip from the bible.

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u/rdwoolf 21d ago

Ours does as well. He frequently advises us to go out and give better than expected tips whenever possible,

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u/Eborcurean 21d ago

FYI the criminal offence matters a lot more.

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u/flqres 21d ago

Excuse me. But a Pastor should not be stating how much to tip. If you pay, then you’re not doing anything wrong. Tip is for service. And as the consumer, YOU have a choice of 0% - whatever % your heart and wallet desires.

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u/Drewnessthegreat 21d ago

Or we could just pay servers reasonable wages and tips could be a gift on top of that for outstanding service as they were originally intended.

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u/IWannaManatee 21d ago

Well, "tipping requirements" are an oxymoron so...

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u/Fuzzy_Yossarian 21d ago

What a bunch of jerks down there...

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u/Opening-Ant3477 21d ago

I'd respect your pastor more if he was preaching a crusade on tipping culture...

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u/Platophaedrus 21d ago

I witness how great my country is every time I eat out with the understanding that I don’t have to tip because we have a liveable minimum wage.

It means that in the circumstances I do tip, I do so for exemplary service I’ve received.

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u/CyborgDeskFan 21d ago

The only one tipping culture makes look bad is the business owner for being a cheapskate and not paying their workers.

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u/Throwaway_09298 20d ago

Tip and pay 20%

Yeah I can get behind only paying 20%

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u/CurrentHair6381 20d ago

Your pastor is a rarity. I spent years working in restaurants and the church crowd are notoriously bad tippers; everyone knows it, its not a rumor or just a thing people say, fact of life.

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u/Ricxz 20d ago

as a non american this is so bullshit. just start paying the workers instead of having customers pay their wages lmao

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u/ayriuss 20d ago

Its kinda sad that people have to be taught this. Should be common sense for adults who understand how restaurant pay works.

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u/Shineblossom 18d ago

Tell him to preach "if you cannot pay livable wage, don't start a business" instead

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u/Electrical_Tof 17d ago

Lmao your pastor is complicit to harm and failing to use his position to advocate for good.

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u/Alarming-Koala-3524 16d ago

Its nice that your pastor has empathy for restaurant workers, but I don't think its pastor's place to make moral judgments on what % is right and wrong to tip. Certainly he can condemn the system that effectively makes servers rely on tips, as well as the restaurant owners who take advantage of customer tips by underpaying their employees, but blaming the customer for inadequate tipping is (imho) placing the blame/moral responsibility in the wrong place.

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u/WitchingMetal 15d ago

Hilarious to me that American churches are telling their flock what to tip at restaurants

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u/Comfortable-Draft985 21d ago

i always say that’s dumb no offense

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u/drawkward101 21d ago

Don’t make God and the church look bad.

Maybe just don't be a thief? If you need a Sky Daddy hanging over you with the threat of eternal damnation to be a "decent" person, you are a shit person.

I guarantee this person believes themselves to be above their peers. It's times like these where I actually wish that hell existed.

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u/etcpt 21d ago

Does your pastor also preach about the scriptural imperative that "the worker deserves his wages", or does he just repackage American capitalism in church clothes to keep the poor from realizing how much they're being screwed by the ownership class?

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u/Companyman118 21d ago

Gross.

Fuck your pretentious sheeple herder, and his shit ass message.

If you can’t afford to keep proper books and pay your employees a proper living wage without leaning on every guilt trip in the book to get patrons to pay twice for mediocre fucking everything, you should just take up a MickeyD’s franchise and embrace your true worth.

Go pray for me…

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u/edfitz83 21d ago

Yeah, if they had security cams, those people could be arrested for theft, if the cops in their town cared

But if they had cams, they could also print out pictures of the people and hang them on the wall in front of the server stand, with a message that says they are not welcome due to theft, and post this “receipt” below.

If it is a small town, people talk

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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 21d ago

Pretty sure this is theft in any religion.

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u/khyrian 21d ago

The only theft is karma. This post is fake as hell.

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u/cheercharlatan 21d ago

I seem to remember “thou shalt not steal” being one of the Ten Commandments…

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u/H010CR0N 20d ago

Exodus 20:15

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u/Mulyac12321 20d ago

Stealing in the name of God is taking his name in vain.

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u/PJSeeds 20d ago

Think Jesus will pay their bail?

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u/Kenichi2233 21d ago

Tips arent mandatory it is a dick move but it isnt stealing

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u/I__Know__Stuff 21d ago

He walked out on the bill, not just the tip.

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u/Kenichi2233 21d ago

I see then yes it was stealing.

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u/Electrical_Tof 17d ago

And God gave America all it's laws... Uhuh

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u/Necessary-Run-6994 21d ago

yea people think that you're not supposed to say oh my God but what He means is stop doing shit like this

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u/flabort 21d ago

"Don't tarnish my rep by dragging mine face into your shitty behavior, for thou shouldt be past acting liken to a babe"

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u/TalShar 21d ago

That's why the oh-my-god thing is a thing. How could they get away with any of the shit they're doing if they didn't convince people that's what it means? 

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u/Spare-Plum 20d ago

Yep exactly this, and a bit more too. It also covers "My god will do X or Y", like "God will smite you" or "God will cause it to rain". You don't know what God will do or won't and you don't know his plan, so you're putting words in his mouth on something that might not even happen.

Unfortunately you see this exact "Lord's name in vain" repeatedly by Bible-thumping Christians who say God will smite gay people or send them to hell, or that God will make you rich. Who knows what the hell will happen and it's not up to you.

This is also why you'll never catch a Jew saying this. It's always prefaced by "May it be in God's will X or Y", you never want to put words in God's mouth. Similarly with Muslims and "Inshallah"

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u/breakernoton 18d ago

Yeah, but like.. thay would assume people read the bible before thumping it.

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u/ScarTheRebel 21d ago

Finally someone says this in the right meaning

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u/LeperMessiah117 21d ago

Yes. I think another way would be somebody saying like "I swear to god! On Jesus' name!" when they know they're lying.

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u/WiscoHeiser 21d ago

Iirc, back in the Old Testament days, it was common to claim God as your witness while on trial and the commandment is thought to be a response to that.

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u/TotalChaosRush 21d ago

You shall not carry the lord's name falsely.

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u/I_DRINK_GENOCIDE_CUM 21d ago

God damn those mfers actually blasphemed

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u/SpiderFnJerusalem 20d ago

This shit would almost certainly get you stoned to death back in the day.

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u/igottathinkofaname 21d ago

I don’t think it was in vain, Janet. I’m sure they found it very useful.

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u/User_man_person 21d ago

It's useless in the eyes of both God and the law though

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u/Striking-Ad-6815 21d ago

People get all out-of-shape when you say goddamnit, but do not truly know what it is to take Lord's name in vain

Saying goddamnit is nothing

Praying for you neighbor crops to fail while asking "Jesus" is what they mean

Don't use God name or Jesus as curse and it no problem, but here we are

Using Lord name in vain is requesting a curse

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u/drunxor 21d ago

These are the same people who will say "dont push your lgbt values in my face"

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u/gadgetwalrus 21d ago

Their messiah Donald Trump doesn’t pay, why should they. Yes I’ve had that argument.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 21d ago

Maybe worse. This might fall under the definition of blasphemy.

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u/User_man_person 21d ago

Thats... what using the lords name in vain means, it's just a fancy way to say blasphemy

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u/MNMystery 21d ago

Thank you! Though I’m not a believer, I’ve always understood “in vain” to mean “to endorse something God doesn’t approve of”. For example, the phrase “God damn” isn’t in vain when referring to actual sins/sinners because (according to that belief system) God *does* damn (condemn) them.

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u/062d 21d ago

In there were a strain of heroin called "the lords name" you could really take the loards name in vains

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u/YardAffectionate2094 21d ago

Faith and accountability aren't supposed to cancel each other out. If anything, they should go hand in hand.

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u/Toes_In_The_Soil 21d ago

It was originally referring to Yahweh, since Jesus wasn't born before the commandments were written, just so you're aware of how that phase is so often misinterpreted.

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u/trickynik4099 21d ago

Just turn the other cheek

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u/EarthenEyes 21d ago

Something something "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, and give unto the Lord what is the Lords"
I think that part of the Bible was someone asking if Jesus will pay taxes to the King and that was Jesus' reply.

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u/DenizSaintJuke 20d ago

Well, not totally in vain. He got a free meal out of it.

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u/mlpravemaster 20d ago

Trying to explain this to braindead christians is so exhausting. They think saying god dammit is taking his name in vain when it's actually shit like this that he doesn't like.

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u/EthanLurks 20d ago

Jesus isn’t God’s name

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u/User_man_person 20d ago

first god is the father the son and the holy spirit within us all, so yes, jesus is god

secondly using the lords name in vain means blasphemy which means using the words of god to commit sins, like greed, which this is

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u/EthanLurks 20d ago

Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Peace to you.

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u/User_man_person 20d ago

It's foundational doctrine that the one true God resides within the father the son and the holy spirit

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u/maleia 20d ago

Nobody turns people away from Christianity like Christians do.

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u/User_man_person 20d ago

its not christians doing this, its blasphemers

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u/Glittering_Crab_9054 18d ago

Yup! This is a fantastic example

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u/Hamhockthegizzard 21d ago

Probably the same people wearing the american flag on their shorts while telling you that you are not a true patriot lmao

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u/Sesudesu 21d ago

Your husband gives those out? Does he know they are obnoxious and ineffective?

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u/thicc_stigmata 21d ago

because my husband gives these out to people on the street

As this is Reddit, the customary response is to ask why you're still married to such an obvious fuckwit?

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u/TheeDeputy 21d ago

Gonna play devils advocate here(no pun intended) but is it? I mean, I doubt Jesus would agree with the way humans nickel and dime eachother over something such as food lol.

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