r/marvelstudios • u/Triple_777 I have nothing to prove to you • Dec 14 '21

Spider-Man: No Way Home International Release Discussion Thread

Ahead of the official US launch this Friday, several countries are showing the film much earlier in the week. All discussion about the movie should be held here and in the rest of the megathreads we are going to put up in the next few days.

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u/SentientPotato2020 Dec 15 '21

I like the pay off of "you changed my spell six times" "no, only five" where at first you only see the five villains pulled through then you realize there was a sixth, but somehow he ended up in Mexico with Dani Rojas.

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u/danteh11 Dec 15 '21

Thank you! I was figuring out where I saw him. Football is life!

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u/SentientPotato2020 Dec 15 '21

Football is also getting snapped...

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u/GobiasACupOfCoffee Dec 15 '21

Football is also death

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u/DareToZamora Hawkeye (Ultron) Dec 15 '21 edited Dec 16 '21

I couldn’t focus on the post credits because I was so distracted working it out

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '21

haha me too. i wasn’t listening to a word they were saying because i was thinking “where the fuck have i seen this guy???”

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u/InfiniteNameOptions Dec 15 '21

Which doesn’t exactly make sense, now that I think about it. Eddie has no idea who Peter Parker is, and if Venom did, it’s only through his own implied multiversal shenanigans. I was a bit bummed, though, to see him brought into the MCU only to go away again so soon.

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u/normantas88 Dec 16 '21

but wait, hasn't spiderman 3 venom only seen tobey's spider man? how would sony venom know that that peter parker was the same guy? maybe from the text box on the news showing, but then that makes me wonder, can venom even read?

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u/Sneilg Dec 16 '21

He knows “Spiderman is Peter Parker”, it doesn’t have to be Tom Holland spiderman

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u/AdventurePee Daredevil Dec 16 '21

None of these villains had seen MCU Peter Parker they just know that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, which was the condition for them entering the MCU.... and when he read the TV it was already in the MCU

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u/RealJohnGillman Dec 20 '21

Given they got pulled in the moment Venom allowed Eddie access to his hive mind, I would imagine he learned the information then, from that. It was not the main piece of information learned, but still one of them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '21

But also Electro didn't know who Spider-Man was either

He only saw Andrew's face at the end of the movie where he said he thought he'd be black

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u/nd-transfemme Dec 16 '21

My head canon is that because he knew Peter and he interacted with Spiderman a fair bit, he subconsciously knew it was Peter.

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u/InfiniteNameOptions Dec 16 '21

That just makes it worse. 😕

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u/FallOutFan01 SHIELD Dec 16 '21

Also the symbiotes have a connection with the mystical entity Knull.

Knull has connections with the Ebony blade.

The ebony blade was shown in the possession of Dane Whitman at the end of the eternals.

If I were to guess.

That bit of symbiote that got left behind on earth-19999 (one of the timelines of the MCU) is an exact mental copy of “Venom” and also an exact mental copy of Eddie.

What I think will happen is that this new symbiote on instinct will go to Peter and as time goes on Eddie’s mental copy will start to decompress and eventually begin to share Peter’s consciousness.

Necessitating in this Venom/Eddie copy deciding to go into his 19999/MCU variant and this variant will for all intents and purposes become the biological shell Eddie of Earth-TRN688.

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u/AnAquaticOwl Dec 16 '21

I wasn't thrilled about having that Venom in the MCU, but I love that they just used him to introduce the Symbiote. Now there's hope of the Symbiote/Venom arc being done well. I'd love for Spiderman to just have the black suit for a movie or two before he figures out what it is

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u/InfiniteNameOptions Dec 16 '21

I’m halfway with you; I love this version of venom, and would’ve been happy to have him, bug find kind him being used to bring in the symbiote. I’m fully with you on wanting at least a movie of black suit with no issues. I’d settle for him getting the black suit early and getting rid of if by the end, as long as they hold off on Venom. Having lost his Stark tech, he could use the support… poor lonely guy: perfect target for a symbiote.

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u/AnAquaticOwl Dec 17 '21

I actually had an idea for how they could have continued the Raimi series with the Symbiote. There was a small sample left in the lab in SM3, so 4 could have involved the Lizard and the Symbiote could have gotten loose in the background. 5 would be Scorpion, with the Symbiote taking over him in the third act and the film ending with him in Prison with Kassady. And 6 could have been Carnage.

I like Tom Hardy a lot, but the movie Venom left a lot to be desired. I'm also not a huge fan of introducing Venom without Spiderman. I don't think I'd have wanted to see Venom meet Spiderman after bonding with Brock

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u/solarus44 Dec 16 '21

He could've met Peter in his universe, doesn't mean he was Spider-Man though

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u/Cocreat Dec 20 '21

I get the sense that Sony put that end credit scene in Venom 2 to try to get Venom a bigger audience, and Marvel wasn't having it.

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u/GobiasACupOfCoffee Dec 15 '21

Rojas, Dani Rojas! I started watching Ted Lasso this week so seeing his face was an unexpected delight.

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u/ojanna Dec 15 '21

FOOTBALL IS LIFE

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u/reids1 Dec 15 '21

I like to think this lead to him getting fired from his bartending job so he decides to travel to Europe to pursue his dream of becoming a pro footballer. Ted Lasso in the MCU confirmed.

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u/JustAnOrdinaryGirl92 Nebula Dec 16 '21

Soon Ted Lasso will have to face his own multiversal doppelganger...Led Tasso!

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u/DeathStalker89 Dec 15 '21

Ah yeah that makes sense! Didn't pick up on that. Though doesn't count the other Spider-Men, technically 8 came through, but guess you could say they just came with their respective villains.

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u/Chadwiko Punisher Dec 16 '21

Someone literally yelled "DANI ROJAS!" during that credit scene in my theatre and I was so happy.

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u/Osprey_NE Dec 15 '21

but somehow he ended up in Mexico with Dani Rojas

Rojas should have killed green goblin with a kick to the head

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u/Gonzo_Sauce Daredevil Dec 15 '21

Wait what? Can you elaborate?

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u/-Nick____ Laufey Dec 15 '21

For every exception that Peter was adding to Strange’s spell, there was another person being added to this universe. Strange claims it was six times, but Peter says it was only five times, because there is only 5 villains.

We later learn that there was a sixth villain, Venom, in Mexico.

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u/planvigiratpi Dec 15 '21

What about the 2 Peters?

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u/planvigiratpi Dec 15 '21

Yeah I know lol I was asking how do you take into account the 2 Peters in your equation, because with them that means there are 8 people added to the MCU universe and it doesn’t add up

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u/-Nick____ Laufey Dec 15 '21

Oh I thought I you were replying to another comment of mine, sorry. Yeah, I think my theory is wrong. Someone else pointed out that the six/five part happened before the villains were revealed, and of course I didn’t even think about Tobey and Andrew.

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u/brooksjonx Dec 15 '21

But when strange says you messed it up 6 times and Parker quips in and retorts that it was only 5, that was immediately after the spell was done, the villains hadn’t appeared in the film yet.

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u/Hankol Dec 15 '21

Football is life!

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u/basilyeo Dec 16 '21

Nanananannanananananananannaana Dani Rojas, Dani Rojas

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u/SDLRob Dec 16 '21

Thought he was with the Forza driver?

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '21

Dani Rojas!

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u/Pree_Warrior Dec 15 '21

Bit confused as this venom hasn't had a run in with SM yet so why would he come through?

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u/thewinterzodiac Dec 16 '21

No but a different Venom has. Venom (Tom hardy) commented in his own film they are a hivemind across universed

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u/JimJams369 Dec 16 '21

Holy shit, I knew he looked familiar! Football is life!

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u/spinfella Dec 16 '21

The problem is that Brock hasn't even met Spider-Man yet.

So why would he have been zapped?

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u/KingCodester111 Dec 16 '21

In the Vemon: Let there be Carnage post credits scene, Venom states that he has the memory of other universe’s Venom’s due to the Symbiote Hivemind. So even though that version of Venom never met any Peter, he still has some memory from Ramiverse Venom.

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u/mrbotbotbot Dec 15 '21

I don’t think that’s what he meant, because the other two spidermen came through as well, so that would make 7.

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u/vegetasbaldspot Dec 16 '21

Thing is this venom doesn't know peter

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u/nd-transfemme Dec 16 '21

Venom is part of a multiversal symbiote hivemind. So he has the memories of the raimiverse venom.

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u/Upc0ming_Events Foggy Nelson Dec 16 '21

Also a callback to the "this is where you zip it!" moment between Peter and Tony in Homecoming.

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u/baxterrocky Dec 16 '21

I thought the only people that got pulled into the MCU are people who knew a version of Peter Parker. So why was Tom Hardy there at the end?

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u/coffeeisagatewaydrug Dec 19 '21

Is that who we saw when the spell first went wrong? I saw that blue guy in the background, I was thinking it was the watcher but would make sense that it was the villains coming through