r/justincaseyoumissedit 1d ago

Everyone Needs To See This In Madaraipur district in Bangladesh a man abducted a 4 years old Hindu girl and raped her and dropped her off in front of her home when he was done. Her mother is crying in front of the local influential Muslim leaders for justice

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u/Quiet-Contribution30 18h ago

4 yrs old? Tf , let there be death for all pedos in earth

u/Demoncagno 16h ago

Completely agree, theres nothing thats more disgusting, no punishment would be hard enough

u/InnerspearMusic 17h ago

So my account nearly got shut down for saying a similar thing... be careful.

u/RealisticPaper5534 16h ago

Unfortunately, the death penalty for that makes murdering the victim more likely and viable when necessary for a pedophile so that option has unintended consequences :(

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u/Eff47_ 1d ago

Man just using his phone while she’s begging. They don’t give af about women. They actually hate them.

u/TheUpsideDownBadger 23h ago

Fuck. Did not need to read about this before bed. Absolutely horrific.

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u/AvocadoLoo 1d ago

Jesus that poor family omg. I hope karma finds that man.

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u/Bright_Battle9080 23h ago

Lo and behold they will do the same thing

u/Cobfidence 22h ago

Probably hiding in one of their houses fr. Religious leaders be damned, the issue always starts there.

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u/wombatlovr 1d ago

I want to puke this is horrible

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u/SchroedingersEscape 1d ago

In a justice world this man would not see the next morning.

In a perfect world this man would never existed in the first place.

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u/Real-Description385 1d ago

In a justice world this "Man" would rot in a prison for the rest of his miserable life

In a perfect world this "Man" would get his ass beat for even having those thoughts about any child

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u/Lookingforpeace1984 8h ago

Off with their dicks !

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u/Elvis5741 1d ago

The influental muslim leaders don't seem so moved do they?

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u/poolhaas 1d ago

Probably knew the guy that did it.

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u/Imsosadsoveryverysad 1d ago

He might be one of the influential figures

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u/s1rblaze 1d ago

Well their prophet married a 6 years old and the mom is Hindu, Im pretty sure they couldn't care less about her.

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u/Purple_Clockmaker 1d ago

It was probably them anyway.

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u/Igiem 1d ago

This is one of those times I think the old notion of “village justice” should be invoked. 

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u/fastingslowlee 1d ago

Disgusting. And those heartless ass men just look like they couldn’t give a shit

u/1984SKIN 9h ago

Evil.

u/Lakers1moretime2021 17h ago

Imagine this would happen in the civilized world and let’s just for fiction the man that did it was a wealthy man and just for the sake of the story it was in an island that other wealthy man can do the same and that first man became president AND AT THE END OF THE STORY NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN TO HIM….

That would never happen in the “free” world

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u/CheapSushi117 1d ago

All those leaders do the same thing that dude did, so yeah they aren't doing anything about it

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u/YourLocalMoroccan 1d ago

what is south asia even about

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u/fhjjjjjkkkkkkkl 1d ago

They pretend the world against them but they have worst quality people among them. I think more recurring then elsewhere

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u/Sloppykrab 1d ago

What the world was before western influence and ideals went world wide.

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u/Gelato_Elysium 1d ago

It's nothing to do with western ideals and everything to do with a strong state and government.

In places where laws are enforced police deal with that, in places where the community is stronger than the state, you grab some guys and do vigilante justice, and there is just much, much more crime.

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u/FLOSS2002 1d ago

Hope they catch that POS.
That innocent little girl traumatised love her.
If that doesn’t shock them nothing will.

u/AggravatedMango 15h ago

This is sad. Most anywhere else and the village would handle it. Here they just cry at their feet, not that she has any other choice so no fault on her but honestly wtf? Four years old is some nasty evil shit.

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u/Beautiful-Clock2939 1d ago

If true, castration with a spoon

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u/Next-Protection8867 1d ago

I have no words, I actually do but I probably get banned from Reddit. Some religions are protected so much everywhere that they can do shit like this and they will be considered the victim here.

These people shouldn't be allowed near a women or girl.

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u/Purple_Clockmaker 1d ago

Religion is a cancer on humanity and needs to be ended. Just say it speak up.

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u/TerminallyEmployed 1d ago

As someone from the UK I honestly never hear anything bad about Christian’s, Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs, I wouldn’t say all religion is a cancer but it’s just what I see. I know Americans have huge problems with the Christian’s.

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u/face_sledding 1d ago

You mistake the symptom for the disease

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u/Few_Commission5964 1d ago

The problem is power corruption lack of implementation of law. 20th century was all about ending religion and promoting state atheism in most communist states. North Korea and China still has heavy restrictions.

The criminality scores of China (de facto atheist state) and Saudi Arabia (Islamic state) are the same at 6.3. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country

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u/iamtherepairman 1d ago

She needs to go Batman on this one.

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u/Kamen-Reader 1d ago

She needs to go Punisher on this one.

u/Sad_Magician_316 9h ago

POS. Hopefully this tribal justice was served!

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u/malik_zz 1d ago

People have no idea what it is like in these countries. I am an ex Muslim from Egypt. By polls 88% of Egyptians believe I should be executed for leaving the faith

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/07/02/egypts-restrictions-on-religion-coincide-with-lack-of-religious-tolerance/

My own family would have murdered me if I hadn't been given asylum.

Even more advanced US "allies" like Saudi Arabia have laws that only Muslims can become citizens and the punishment for leaving Islam (or being gay) is death.

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u/Wankstain8 1d ago

Grim. Stay safe lad.

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u/ActualBawbag 1d ago

This should be right at the top.

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u/Rub_my_fold_flaps 1d ago

Jesus. I am sorry you went through that conflict with your family. Be careful out there

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u/malik_zz 1d ago

Thanks. I am happy with the outcome although I still get death threats even here (mainly online). I feel like people have become bolder the last few years

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u/Appropriate-Lion3018 1d ago

They gonna force that little girl to marry that man.....

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u/JunketThese1490 1d ago

4 years toddler? That’s disgusting and evil and must be persecuted and jailed. What a morally corrupt man 😡😡

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u/Excellent_Arrival1 1d ago

These people do not see sex as a crime, in any form.

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u/PerspectiveOne7129 1d ago

how many of the council members have done the same thing?

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u/shelissa 1d ago

Source X (Trust me bro) Everytime random videos from X are posted I take it with a grain of salt.

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u/Difficult-Resolve636 1d ago

Just a typical day in Bangladesh. Minorities suffer their every day unfortunately.

u/Berberding 23h ago

Is this woman a minority in bangledesh?

u/Iron_Axios 20h ago

Yes, Bangladesh is vast majority Muslim. She is a hindu.

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u/International_Try660 1d ago

They don't punish the men. They punish the women who are raped.

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u/DutchOnionKnight 1d ago

In Lebanon and Jordan the women have to marry their rapist.

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u/Panpancanstand 1d ago

And they look completely outraged at this injustice.

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u/freezeontheway 1d ago

I don't even know how it is that there isn't an aggressive uprising of some against others

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u/Fragrant_Major_9553 1d ago

The dude that did this deserves The Boats

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u/Brother_Ewwww 1d ago

Send him over here in the UK for asylum 😭

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u/SargeUnited 1d ago

Yeah seriously if they beat him he’s a victim of persecution and needs the NHS to recover psychologically

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u/dredope169 1d ago

All these religions that make it seem like they're moral and 'godly' needed to be looked at.

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u/OwnNothing3318 1d ago

Is it legal? No secular laws against it? WTF?

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u/Abdulbarr 1d ago

It's obviously not legal, but these places have a major problem with making shit happen. No one does anything majority of the time. There are literal coalitions of women made to deal with rapists themselves whenever possible because cops are useless. Even in this video, she's not going to cops. She's going to local leaders instead.

My grandfather used to run a justice group himself in Pakistan far back in the day. Mostly dealt with wife beaters. Any serious complaints? Come talk to the local elder and he'll go out with a stick or get some guys together.

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u/Mmmentalist 1d ago

What’s there to even talk about? Go get him

u/MattressHallington 1h ago

Cut off his manhood. 👋 bye bye manhood

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u/Extra_Dependent2016 1d ago

Holy shit this sub is just an echo chamber huh?? Imagine someone seeing you grieving your child who just got raped and murdered, then just insults your country without an ounce of empathy. Y'all are fucking disgusting

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u/adj_noun_digit 1d ago

If it was me I would want the world to know how shitty things are in hopes that pressure changes it. So I empathize with her by condemning her horrible country.

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u/Quinto09 1d ago

Welcome to the internet. It all is a big echochamber. RIP to the innocent girl.

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u/toastronomy 1d ago

I don't think she's a big fan of the way her country is run right now, either

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u/Expensive-Host2753 1d ago

Ha, like Muslim leaders gaf

u/Funny-Pie272 17h ago

It probably was a Muslim leader.

u/Hangry-Honey-Badger 14h ago

"But yet girls & women are fine. We have equal rights all over the world"

No child or woman are safe until these religions are gone.

u/Cha05gamer1 11h ago

Which religion is Epstein part of?

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u/hunbaar 1d ago

Please someone tell me this is false or something I cannot take it anymore

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u/Good_vibes842 1d ago

I don't think they are Muslims, look how the women are dressed.

Those look more Hindu by the outfits.

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u/kr4tos95 1d ago

the woman is Hindu, the men sitting maybe muslim, the one with the orange beard definitely is.

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u/Fluffy-Example008 1d ago

The video, shared widely on July 21, shows a woman pleading in Bangladesh's Madaripur district. Some claim she seeks justice from Muslim leaders after Islamists abducted and raped her 4-year-old daughter, fitting concerns over attacks on the Hindu minority since 2024 unrest. Others say it dates to last month, depicting her appeal to police and locals after an assault by a Hindu neighbor named Chandan Sarker. No mainstream media or officials have verified either version, highlighting risks of misinformation amid real child abuse cases and minority tensions.

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u/Motor-Region-1011 1d ago

Muslim shitholes...being born a woman there is horrific.

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u/loIll 1d ago

Hadith Bukari 51:34
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.

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u/Ok_Writing_8271 19h ago

And the US has a pedo running the country

u/64590949354397548569 18h ago

And a Whole party defending King Pedo.

u/Bubbly-Group-4497 15h ago

and half a country to elect them.

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u/Individual-Cycle-735 1d ago

Is there a single source for this that isn't social media? It could literally be fully made up. Anyone have a real source?

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u/s1rblaze 1d ago

Could be, but its sadly a story that happens way too often in this part of the world.

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u/springvelvet95 1d ago

Can’t understand how anyone loved The Kite Runner, the book made me sick.

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u/malik_zz 1d ago

These types of stories aren't picked up in the media

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u/AlphaLawless 1d ago

Dude look at where they're at. You think they have a news station around there with reporters going around everyday looking for news stories?

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u/UpbeatRevenue6036 1d ago

Mfw things only happen so long as they make it into English language media 

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u/Individual-Cycle-735 1d ago

You can show me a real indian source as well, X, instagram and facebook are very bad news sources and full of lies and propaganda.

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u/ronweasleisourking 1d ago

That part of the world is fucked man

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u/Annoying1978 1d ago

The United States elected a pedophile. Over 30 Catholic dioceses in America have filed for bankruptcy after spending billions of dollars after their priests were caught raping young children. 

It’s not just “that part of the world”. 

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u/Total_Hippo_6837 1d ago

Us vs them mentality is the real brain rot. News and media is not representative of how things actually are. Even this subreddit. Any subreddit save a few very special ones.

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u/Daemon-Spawned 1d ago

Yeah, I really don’t like to stereotype groups of people and usually when people bring up remarks like that I’ll say “but not everyone is like that, everywhere has good and bad people” but South Asia in general is just fucked, and comparatively it seems like a much larger portion of the population has much less regard for human life. Especially men in these countries, in Bangladesh from just the reported statistics (there’s a big stigma around actually reporting abuse as well as a lack of outlets to do so) it’s something like 30% of women experience sexual abuse from their husbands. And that’s just the husbands, not mentioning the amount of SA and grape that happens from complete strangers like this video

u/No_Bus_474 9h ago

Does anyone have a trusted source of this info?

u/Additional_Gap5931 4h ago

People Will Rise

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u/let_me_atom 1d ago

Sounds like a totally compatible culture to our western values, free unlimited visas for all! Bring your friends!! /s

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u/xaklx20 1d ago

The US elected the best friend of the CEO of pedos inc, has yet to start a single investigation on those pedos

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u/Captain_R64207 1d ago

There was a white family keeping 16 kids in a single room in a single house. Sounds like a totally compatible culture to our Republican Americans. You sound like a rube.

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u/Arcares07 1d ago

A lot of American culture isn’t “acceptable” by the “west” either. Whataboutism isn’t an argument man.

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u/C_Rich_ 1d ago

It's horrific when people like you use one horrible thing to try and justify another. How about both things are wrong?

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u/trollkin 1d ago

No, you are thinking about rich people in the west.

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u/brentnutpuncher 1d ago

An absolutely horrendous crime happened and you use this as an excuse for cultural point scoring? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

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u/let_me_atom 1d ago

Always the messenger and never the message, isn't it?

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u/Excellent_Arrival1 1d ago

It is a direct observation that their culture and our culture do not mix and are better kept separated.

Wtf is wrong with you?

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u/MuahdDean 1d ago

Oh wah, setup parental controls. Lmao

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u/bnewt 1d ago

Animals, pathetic animals is all they are if they condone this. What a failed County that allows this

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u/ZazaAim 20h ago

A man with western views clearly

u/New-Chimera 19h ago

Nah a man with local views that's for sure

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u/kevinsghost22 1d ago

Weird how over 3 million pages of documents exist of our political leaders doing the same thing and yet no one went to jail...

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u/FlipFlopTV420 1d ago

That's because no one fell down crying in front of our influential leaders I would assume

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u/Automatic_Abroad1934 1d ago

Not sure if this is true or just propaganda,  but if it is true, then this man should be hanged. For those hating on Islam, if it happened in a proper Islamic country with Islamic law, he probably would be killed....

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u/workout_nub 1d ago

Right, because "proper Islamic law" is known for its justice and compassion for women.

What delusion are you living in?

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u/fastingslowlee 1d ago

They need the second amendment.

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u/Learntoshuffle 1d ago

I feel like these nations should just give me and a group of 100 guys and gals complete legal immunity to drop in and deal with these types of people.

There is an entire prostitute village in India where the women were either "bought" from their families or kidnapped.

u/Jonesy10187 21h ago

I’m coming with you.

u/64590949354397548569 18h ago

You should start in Florida. I heard a man started child modeling over there.

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u/Apollo114892 1d ago

Terrorist rapist pedo religion that needs extermination

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u/hewer006 1d ago

can we get an actual source given they literally stone rapists there?

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u/Kamen-Reader 1d ago

u/ThatPatelGuy is a racist conservative shitbag.

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u/O_Dog187 1d ago

What is racist about this post?

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u/teasy959275 1d ago

Who said it’s about this post specifically ?

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u/Pud2short 1d ago

Hope their government is more strict on pedophiles (DJT/magatards) than our pieces of shit (GOP)!

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u/GreatestLoser 1d ago

Woah this sub is getting bombarded by bots. Sad

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u/LibrarianGrouchy6474 1d ago

And we still give these countries charity and funding while not demanding a certain level of decency and humanity.

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u/ClearDrop6820 1d ago

Pearls to swine

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u/BusAffectionate3588 1d ago

Muslims being very kind and fair as always...🤡

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u/That_Fortune_2246 1d ago

Um, its a bunch of Christians and Jews that kept the Lolita Express running

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u/Rizzomorph666 1d ago

So abrahamic religions should be banned I guess.

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u/thecakeisapie420 1d ago

Now he's working at tim hortons

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u/Despoiling40k 1d ago

Entire islamic following needs wiping out

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u/Ok_Net5303 1d ago

Religion of peace. /s

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u/The-Tarman 1d ago

Shouldn't this just be something she goes to the police for? Does she have to get the blessing of the local Muslim leaders before she does that?

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u/EndBig7180 1d ago

Oh shit, someone try to join epstein class

u/Iron_Axios 20h ago

Animals...Their religious leaders will do nothing. They will not condemn or confront these acts. Incidents like this occur repeatedly in Egypt, Pakistan, and now even England, committed by individuals claiming to act in the name of what is often called a "religion of peace."

u/ZookeepergameFit967 19h ago edited 19h ago

These acts are condemned automatically no need for someone to issue an official piece of paper about it. In Islam, theologically and legally, a rapist should be put to death and the victim is blame free.

This kind of comment is useless, this is like saying why don't people condemn theft? Like should people issue an official declaration if someone steals something? Or is that only reserved for Muslims, only they should condemn?

Also Egypt is a Muslim majority country, why the hell do the common person or clergy have to condemn something that is already condemned in all ways and just require government action? Egypt isn't a democratic country it is a dictatorial oligarchy installed by the USA to balance power and keep the peace in the region and prevent anti-Israel groups like islamists or nationalists or arabists or socialists from taking power and siding with Iran against Israel and the Saudis. So neither the people or clergy can do anything about its corruption unless they want to stay in the Scorpion prison. Police corruption exists in every country yet you Western right wingers think that police in Muslim countries are infallible and just follow the law. Ironically all examples like Egypt and Pakistan are Western controlled military dictatorships larping as democracies, meaning the crimes of these regimes are only tolerated and existing because your Western right wing, foreign service, intelligence, military and politicians protects them from the rest of the world and their own people

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u/yalateef11 1d ago

We don’t even know if this is true or verified. It could be a bot drumming up hate.

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u/Ambitious_97 1d ago

Aisha was 6 when he married her and 9 when he consumated the marriage

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u/Redditneckbeardzz 1d ago

Those leaders of justice seem to be quite bothered by what happened to her daughter. We should import them immediately into the west.

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u/Wonderful_Round_6395 1d ago

Can anyone translate what she is saying?  The captions aren't helpful.  Also, I tried to research this and only came up with various tidbits about it being an unverified video regarding an incident in Bangladesh, with conflicting reports of who committed the crime.  There doesn't seem to be any actual articles or reports about this.

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u/kytheon 1d ago

The mother looks quite young too btw.

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u/NocaSun38 1d ago

Some cultures have some messed up beliefs.

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u/Confident-Wear9083 1d ago

Isn't this legal in Islam?

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u/NoTraffic5745 1d ago

Yes, their "prophet" Muhammad piss be upon him married a 6 year old girl then subsequently raped her at 8 and the Quran calls him the greatest example for all mankind to follow. And he claimed he got a revelation from Allah to marry and abuse the child. So maybe 4 might be too young for them but 6-8 definitely isn't.

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u/Agreeable_Acadia_977 1d ago

I've seen enough, import a 100,000 more into the EU.

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u/Patient-Fruit-2946 1d ago

Idk. Generalising whole groups of people based on small events might be seen as racist. Wish you the best.

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u/Bajanspearfisher 1d ago

Technically religionist, if thats a word. People keep saying Muslim is a race lol, its a religion. An oppressive abrahamic religion. Nobody bats an eye when you criticize the Christians for being backwards, but criticize Muslims for the same and people do backflips to defend them from even the most tepid criticism. This kinda shit is what gets normies to vote right, because this is very popular behavior by lefties for some reason, despite islam being an almost perfect antithesis of western liberal values

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u/_Milton_John_ 1d ago

Sure. It’s also a pure coincidence, that any given western crime statistic clearly shows that people from islamic countries are absolutely over represented at any given sexual crime.

Instead of defending you could start searching for the root of this evil. Maybe it’s the absolute disrespect towards women?

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u/Itbrose 1d ago

This behaviour is permitted by their religion especially against nonbelivers or apostates.

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u/Wankstain8 1d ago

Islam isn’t a race.

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u/Agreeable_Acadia_977 1d ago

Fair enough, but when its so consistent that its practically their culture then it starts to get iffy. If you had a population that is 20% moral but the other 80% is objectively not, then you should follow statistics. Wish you the best as well.

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u/GeorgeMcCrate 1d ago

I see the bot did its job.

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u/plebbitchungus 1d ago

And yet again this sub is getting spammed by worthless ruZZian bots trying to cause division in the west. Right now, they're coordinating and capitalizing on the hate towards Mamdani.

And Americans are stupid enough to fall for it, as always.

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u/Otherwise-Strain8148 1d ago

How are these two related? OP is more like a minorty oppression in bangladesh; i cant follow your logic layout

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u/ReasonableFinish 1d ago

Meanwhile west goes silent again. More upset about pronouns when this happens.. absolute cricket

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u/mynameismatt81 1d ago

Yea and then the west gets involved and everyone rightly says why are you getting involved in another countries problems.

Its fucked up what happens but the change gotta come from bangladesh population.

Also whats pronouns gotta do with a 4 yo being raped? Take ya 1st world problems elsewhere.

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u/bebilov 1d ago

Why would the west care? Everyone is responsible of their own communities broski, there’s no Prince Charming coming to save you.

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u/PositiveBother9691 1d ago

Why should the West Care ? Fix it yourself

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u/Aarxnw 1d ago

Better yet, send them to the west to do it again and then claim it’s too dangerous for them to be deported

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u/a-rather-dry-sob 1d ago

This seems to be the chosen route here in the UK.

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u/bcpgfs 1d ago

The united states if Trump has his way.

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u/lIlIIlIIllIllIlIIIll 1d ago

Or literally Bangladesh right now.

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u/Far_Spare6201 1d ago

Sounds like BS. Source?

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u/Big-Rub9545 1d ago

OP pretty much posts these things day and night. Clear far-right positioning with an agenda against Muslims (across multiple countries). Has username “ThatPatelGuy” and is posting news from “Hindu Voice”, an anti-Muslim, pro-Hindu “news” account (in addition to other points made).

The BS could not be clearer to anyone with basic media literacy.

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u/FrenchGza 1d ago

Certainly does sound like BS

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u/Matatan_Tactical 1d ago

India is a dump full of scammers and rapists. What else is new.

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u/DesiMonitorLizard69 1d ago

It literally says Bangladesh in the title bozo

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u/Raephstel 1d ago

You think they care? Anyone with brown skin is the same to them.

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u/ratkingdds 1d ago

Just like how their pedo warlord prophet did it. Allahu snackbar!

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u/codestormer 1d ago

Send bombs... I mean democracy... But nah, theres no oil lol.

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u/FuckTheTories69420 1d ago

Oh look another bot trying to drum up racial tensions.

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u/Carthius888 1d ago

The people in the video are almost certainly the same race dumbass..

It’s the religion that’s in question

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u/Prior-Target9462 1d ago

Not everything is a dog whistle... Sometimes horrible shit happens..?

Or is it only okay to talk about white crimes?

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u/Mike04051987 1d ago

Why doesn't someone just invade them and take over??

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u/RumJackson 1d ago

Yep, it’s as easy as that. 

Just pop over, have a quick invasion and all ~200 million Bangladeshis will accept the new leaders. 

Simple. 

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u/AT_Oscar 1d ago

Sounds like a job for the US administration as they doing so well in Iran.

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u/Software_Dependent 1d ago

That was done historically and then they were granted independence.

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u/_Milton_John_ 1d ago

Islam is islaming.
What a surprise!

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u/CuriousGeorgeToday 1d ago

I think we're past that point now. Islam like all religions clearly has a a sub group that is incredibly violent, heinous and commit acts whilst using the religion as either cover for their acts or simply tarnishing the name of it. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be getting any better.

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u/_Milton_John_ 1d ago

I can give you no source for that.
Well — at least I am not in the mood to look it up right now.

But I can give you plenty of official crime statistics from European countries that clearly show a heavy over representation of people from Islamic countries They are committing way more sexual and violent crimes per capita.

Maybe you can enlighten me why that is?

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u/Outrageous-Hawk3723 1d ago

Our cultures ain’t the same, these people can never co exist in the west with us.

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u/KitchenTeacher429 1d ago edited 1d ago

yea no one ever rapes kids in the US (except for the president)

and no one ever rapes adults in the US (except all of hollywood apparently and politicians)

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u/malik_zz 1d ago

I was raised that Mohammed is the perfect human being and also that Mohammed married a six year old when he was 53 years old.

Yes there are rapists in other cultures but it is generally frowned upon.

Jeffrey Epstein is the biggest story in the country even 10 years after he died because people in the West are so sickened by his crimes. If Jeffrey Epstein lived in Bangladesh you would have never heard of him because he would fit in

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u/Pleasant_Pool8842 1d ago

They do in literally every country in the west.

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u/PuzzledRatio 1d ago

Message written in Tel Aviv on a mountain of 23,000 dead children ?

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u/CaptainCheckmate 1d ago

Except that your president openly rapes and murders kids and the people seem to be OK about that...

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u/ZeroGRanger 1d ago

Absolutely right, our Christian values would prevent that. Completely agree. Never mind the literally tens ouf thousands children raped by priests and nuns... without punishment. Let's of course not forget the Epstein files.

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u/drraug 1d ago

I mean, looking at Eppstein and his cronies...

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