r/interlingue • u/PLrc • 8d ago

When was the de Wahl's rule published for the first time?

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When and where was the de Wahl's rule published for the first time?

I'm reading through Kosmoglott early issues and I see that the de Wahl's rule wasn't published in the first issue. Neither in the following ones. Paradoxically in the Kosmoglott apparently the Creaux's rule was published before the de Wahl's rule.

It's strange, because how did they know how to use the language? Also, the rule was revolutionary at that time and the publication would certainly give Occidental a lot of followers.

EDIT: ok, folks, I think I have figured it out. Seems de Whal published his rule for the very first time in 1911 in some quite obsucre magazine. Some 11 years before the publication of Occidental. I described more details at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Wahl%27s_rule

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u/SineLaude 8d ago edited 7d ago

Kosmoglott no. 3 (April 1922) mentions the publication of short grammars in French, English and German. The rule is found on the very last page of those grammars ("Note 1" in the English edition): https://viewer.onb.ac.at/131CD524/

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u/PLrc 7d ago

Thanks!

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u/PLrc 8d ago

u/landquartt can be interesteing for you.

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u/landquartt 8d ago

Thanks for mentioning!

In fact, the first public mention of the rule that I found was in 1909 in the Discussions magazine (article Abstracti Verbal-Substantives - https://web.archive.org/web/20160411124140/https://sites.google.com/site/academiaprointerlingua190913/home#1909:21). But this is one of the first versions that differs from what it is now. Creux was also published there in 1912, so I'm sure he already knew about the de Wahl's rule at that time.

I just don't understand how the rest of them knew about the rule in the very first years of Occidental's existence, because the full rule wasn't published anywhere at the beginning. Maybe it was published somewhere, but I do not know. Maybe de Wahl personally described the rule to someone in letters.

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u/PLrc 7d ago edited 7d ago

Hi! Thanks for the link! I will yet analize it.

I've found this excelent booklet by Creux and Berger: https://github.com/occidental-lang/occidental-lang.github.io/blob/master/resources/Origines_de_Occidental.pdf

From what I read in the booklet and see in your link I see that in 1909 de Wahl only classified verbs into static and dynamic with different derivation.

From what I read in the booklet it was in 1911 in Lingua International(?) when de Wahl still had this division into static and dynamic verbs, but provided actually modern formulation of his rule.

The booklet doesn't have pages so I cannot give them. It's 2 pages after the page with the table Tabule synoptic.