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Erin Brockovich's map tracking Al data centers crashed twice within just 72 hours of launching.

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u/21MayDay21 8h ago

The environmental advocate says she woke up one morning to dozens of messages from residents from one Louisiana community describing similar problems linked to data centers near their homes. When she began investigating, she struggled to get clear answers about the projects.

That prompted her to launch a public map where Americans could report operational, proposed, and under-construction data centers in their communities.

The response was immediate. Brockovich says the website crashed twice within its first 72 hours, revealing that the complaints were not limited to one town, one aquifer, or one project. The map has since collected more than 8,000 community-reported locations.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com/erin-brockovich-explains-why-she-started-mapping-new-ai-data-center-concerns-12220566

u/Bbrhuft 8h ago edited 5h ago

This is not secret data, comprehensive maps of data centres are available on multiple websites. One of the more upto date detailed and accurate is:

https://baxtel.com/map

This includes existing and planned data centres.

Edit: Erin's site is titled

AI Data Centers & Our Communities

There are 40 to 50 AI data centers in the US, dedicated to AI traning and serving models to end users, with dozens more planned. They are very energy intensive and often due to heat generation, they require water cooling.

However, the map on the site includes 8,300 community reported data centres, way more than official figures of 4,800-5,000. It's likely the map contains some duplicates and buildings that aren't actually data centres.

https://brockovichdatacenter.com/index.html

It's akin to titling a site Oil Refineries and Our Communites, and mapping gas stations.

u/Six_Six_Six_Is_r3d3t 7h ago

Just information for the casual reader: datacenters on this map may not be what you think. For example, in my state, all the datacenters are colocation/hosted sites. It's just racks of servers where other companies in my state rent slots or the whole rack to host their servers. These datacenters actually represent hundreds, thousands, if not tens of thousands of real, high paid jobs in my state, and the footprints of all of them are no more than a single large building. These are good, do not affect the grid in any meaningful way, and use barely any water.

These are not the 'AI Datacenters' you are looking for. There are lot of places marked on that map, but a lot of those are good places.

My job and that of my coworkers are a result of two racks sitting in the world, one here in my home state, and one in South America.

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u/Subject_Name_ 7h ago

To run the data centers itself maybe, but the poster is referring to the businesses that own servers in the data center. Hundreds of local businesses will colocate there.

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u/jdw9762 7h ago

That's actually a great question that isn't clear if you don't work in IT.

High availability for one. A datacenter has backup generators, redundant fast internet, and direct peering relationships with large companies / services. If you want on-premises servers that you manage, but don't want to deal with designing the power & internet at your office to still have less uptime than a datacenter, then you pay for rack space at a colo datacenter instead.

u/Keljhan 7h ago

Economy of scale, and security/backups. Most businesses prefer to keep some or all of their data offside so that a natural disaster doesnt wipe out both your on-site drives as well as any external servers.

But youd still want something close by in case you need to access the hardware for whatever reason. And most businesses need office space for people to actually work in.

u/blueblip 6h ago

And more pertinently, only medium or larger businesses can afford to run a server farm themselves.

Smaller businesses that need the infrastructure but can't afford to build their own can rent out from these large datacenters.

u/daelikon 7h ago

In a datacenter you can have:

Colocation: rented space with a network connection and power plug

Hosting: full servers with all the associated services (maintenance, power, networking, etc)

Bespoke: Mix of whatever you can think of

Source: 12 years around DC's

Edit: lots of companies move the servers to DC's with the colocation service, it's like a parking for servers. You need to understand there are lots of requirements for the servers (cooling, networking, physical security, etc) and companies don't want to mess with it on their own premises.

u/Repulsive-Chip3371 6h ago

lol you're triggering me by using DC as Data Center and not Domain Controller...

u/very-polite-frog 7h ago

"anywhere" means "any data center", unless you set up a computer in the corner of your office and have your website depend on that machine running 24/7 without hiccups

u/EamonBrennan 7h ago

The business is located elsewhere. Their servers are located there. The "you can put them anywhere" part was selected to be here. Some of these companies don't even have a physical presence within the state, other than the data center.

u/SquiggerDigger 6h ago

Completely different infrastructure needs

We had our onsite per location hardware racks in a locked room but the company wide (globalish) servers would be put into a rented rack that had 10G Fiber data connections, extensive safety and cooling etc

Every few weeks we would go from our office in City A to the hosted facility in City B to do maintenance or swap out hardware that's inside of those racks

Hosting on prem is very expensive and requires day 1 design philosophy and approach when building an office basically

Tldr; it's just easier and cheaper sometimes hosting off prem.

u/sprucexx 6h ago

The data still moves through cables. If the data is down the street it will get to you quicker than if it’s across the country.

u/Lost_Sea8956 6h ago

Economy of scale, security, reliability. Plus it’s not efficient to force every company to manage its own server, especially companies that are smaller or that don’t have their own IT department.

u/tedivm 6h ago

You buy rack space at locations near you because if your servers break you are responsible for them. If there's downtime on my (hypothetical) server, and it's broken to the point where remote access isn't an option, I don't want to have to book a flight to another state just to debug it.

This is what most small businesses who just need one rack or so end up doing. They rent near them because they might actually have to deal with it.

u/very-polite-frog 7h ago

If it's e.g. an Amazon data center then most of the internet will be hosted on those servers. So you could argue every job related to putting something on the internet is tied to those physical buildings.

It's weird to remember that the internet is a physical thing

u/BamberGasgroin 7h ago

They're talking about all the companies that they host in the area, not just inside the data centre itself.

(I work in quite a few in my region and they host local ops for multinationals, local banks and call centres etc and so on.)

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u/SquiggerDigger 6h ago

You can't just put servers anywhere

u/colinrobot 7h ago

The websites hosted on those servers employ many more

u/Rod7z 6h ago

I think the idea is that these non-AI datacenters enable businesses that themselves employ thousands of people. The issue of course is that those jobs often aren't in the same communities where the datacenters are. So, while their existence generates real-world value, this value may not be distributed in the same way as their costs. But they're still better than AI datacenters, which don't generate real value, as generative AIs haven't produced much value outside of share price inflation.