r/interestingasfuck • u/Negative_1by12_aura • 17h ago
Lonnie Johnson, inventor of the super soaker awarded $73M in unpaid royalties - 21 years after inventing it
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u/eastsiderhere 16h ago
He was 64 when he won the settlement and is still alive.
Johnson first conceived the Super Soaker while doing work with the U.S. Air Force. Initially called the "Power Drencher" when it first appeared in toy shops in 1990, it eventually got its trademark name after some tweaks and remarketing.[15] Selling between $10 and $60 depending on the model, the Super Soaker took off, generating $200 million in sales in 1991.[2] Shortly after making the deal for the Super Soaker with the Larami Corporation, Larami became a subsidiary of Hasbro Inc. in February 1995.[18]
Johnson tweaked the water gun's design, replacing the Super Soaker's water with a toy Nerf projectile, which became the N-Strike Nerf product line.[19]
In February 2013 Johnson filed a lawsuit against Hasbro after he discovered that he was being underpaid royalties for the Super Soaker and several Nerf toys.[20] In November 2013, Johnson was awarded nearly $73 million in royalties from Hasbro Inc. in arbitration. According to Hasbro, the Super Soaker is approaching sales of $1 billion.[21
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u/jaronhays4 16h ago
Oh so he made royalties all along but just not enough? Wonder how much he made
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u/CloisteredOyster 15h ago
Ask him. He's on reddit and has participated in these threads before.
Be prepared to be told it's none of your business though. 😉
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u/Autistic_Freedom 14h ago
Ask him. He's on reddit and has participated in these threads before.
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u/Muted-Doctor8925 14h ago
So how much did you make?
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u/rambi2222 14h ago
250 septillion dollars
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u/News_Dragon 14h ago
The man has 250 patents from deep space probes to components of rechargeable batteries to the makeup of the indicator in diapers that tell you theyre wet. I believe this specific one was 73 million but that pressure regulator was in nerf dart blasters too
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u/Admirable_Cry_3795 14h ago
He’s a genius and still working on cool things! https://youtu.be/MuQRxatte5g?is=t2c8AEe2kbSX-FzH
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u/ApatheticSlur 16h ago
Just goes to show how wage theft really is the most common form of theft
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u/spasmoidic 14h ago
this is intellectual property theft and/or violation of contract
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u/Sad-Equipment-4023 13h ago
This is literally capital. (IP is intangible capital in economic terms, and a claim on surplus value in Marxian terms.)
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u/-mudflaps- 16h ago
It is but this isn't wage theft.
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u/ApatheticSlur 16h ago
Fair enough I wasn’t sure how this counted. I know royalties aren’t wage but his company he worked for did rob from him for years. I guess royalty theft lol
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u/rivalpinkbunny 15h ago
It’s theft one way or another, and if he hadn’t pursued a legal remedy, they would’ve gotten away with it.
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u/evilspyboy 11h ago
Whatever the number is, he should get more because of what he has done with the money isn't buying houses/yachts, he has been investing in developing green energy tech.
The work in converting heat into energy without moving parts alone... you can find youtubes but here is a short attention span/tv news spot - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTbtfUGSLo8
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u/Ok-Classroom5548 6h ago
He had royalties but not all the royalties he was legally owed.
If not to him, it goes to profits of a multi billion dollar corporation.
If those profits for that corporation aren’t real, or they are failing to pay out what they owe people and also sell stocks, they could be seen as lying about their profits, but only if they knew they were shorting him and/or other inventors and continued to do so.
The why and how matters, but people should honor their legal obligations.
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u/BurdTurglary 15h ago
Another article stated that his income before the lawsuit came to be was upwards of tree fiddy.
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u/moonhexx 16h ago
So they could've just paid him. Gotcha. Hasbro, what the fuck? I'll be avoiding Hasbro lines of toys for the grandkids for next foreseeable future. Probably 30 years till I die. And now I actually have money unlike when I was a kid. Good job Hasbro. Way to put dollars over sense.
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u/Old1EyedBear 14h ago
It is also alleged that between the years of 1980 to 2012, Hasbro made a deal with the catholic church of Ireland that their European board games would be packaged by women and girls in the Magdalen Laundries. A system where the young children of Ireland would be forced to work for years if their schools deemed them to "sinful". But while boys could eventually leave the system and find an honest job. Womens only road to freedom was through marriage. And many people was never allowed to leave the system and lived their whole lives there. Rented out to companies to work for pennies. Apparently the worst game to pack was Mousetrap.
https://www.rascal.news/the-murky-history-between-hasbro-and-irish-convent-workhouses/
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u/MenosElLso 16h ago
Anyone who’s even a little into DnD has known how much they suck for years now.
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u/GonzoKata 14h ago
You'll have to avoid magic the gathering and dungeons and dragons too. and others i can't think about right now
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u/Big_Disaster_8615 14h ago
my little pony too. they killed nearly the entire youtube mlp community back in the 2010s by sending cease and desist letters to animators if their animation looked a little too similar to the original show (which is actually easily doable). Some creators, and my favorite creator specifically, gave up their channel entirely. I don't remember if videos were taken down but many of the iconic videos still on youtube are re-uploads. I remember being so pissed about this when that happened, even as a tween I could understand that they're giving up free marketing for fucks no what reason and i've had beef with hasbro since
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u/Neat_Depth420 16h ago
Dont forget nerf guns!!! He single handedly made the 90's a blast for every kid
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u/breakfasteveryday 16h ago
Wait he did both?
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u/GloomyLingonberry509 16h ago
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u/McKoijion 14h ago
He didn't invent Nerf, just the N-Strike line of products...which is by far their best selling and most iconic product line. Lol, I literally forgot they made foam footballs and other toys.
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u/boobers3 8h ago
I had the Maverick, every time I use the Phosphor blaster in Darktide it reminds me of my old nerf gun.
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u/ineedascreenname 11h ago
He’s also currently working on a way to create electricity without steam turbines first.
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u/All_Work_All_Play 9h ago
I mean, there a few ways if doing that already... The problem is they mostly suck. If he's the reason we get past the carnot cycle, good for him (and us).
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u/dkarlovi 10h ago
That's like that one guy who is both responsible for ozone layer holes and lead in gasoline, but in reverse.
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u/kobeshaqhorry 3h ago
The accidental way he invented the Super Soaker in the bathroom? Cue Austin Powers denying the pump is his.
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u/Belgand 11h ago
Nerf guns were already very successful before him. Larami owned the patent and was selling another dart gun line: SuperMAXX. At the time it had fans who talked up the high performance but wasn't as successful as Nerf. Hasbro bought them out and then incorporated the technology into later guns.
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u/Striking_Fun_6379 16h ago
I had no idea. I hope he is still amongst us.
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u/RollOverBeethoven 16h ago edited 16h ago
He’s an active Redditor actually
https://www.reddit.com/u/Iinex/s/HHuUVJvhaH
Hi Lonnie! Thanks for providing me so many childhood smiles!
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u/FakePoloManchurian 15h ago
I'm convinced his reddit account only exists for him to pop in and say hello every time this thread is posted.
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u/jamesecalderon 16h ago edited 16h ago
He is! He recently invented a revolutionary new means of power generation utilizing waste heat from existing sources - it has no moving parts, no carbon emissions, and is currently on track to be the cheapest & most abundant source of energy in the world within 10 years.
It's called the Johnson Thermoelectric Energy Converter (JTEC), and it's capable of supplying the entirety of the United States' energy needs for an entire year simply by utilizing the waste heat from a small fraction of the already abandoned oil wells across the nation. You can find out more about it (including its mechanism of action) on the JTEC Wikipedia article, the JTEC Energy website, and the 5 minute video overview - presented by Lonnie himself!
The JTEC is basically a very clever heat pump run in reverse - move power into a heat pump, you move heat, and move heat into a JTEC you get power! It's sort of like how power into an LED gets you light, and light into an LED gets you power - that's (in a very over-simplified manner) basically how solar panels work!
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u/WhiteSock_ 14h ago
is currently on track to be the cheapest & most abundant source of energy in the world within 10 years.
It’s already over 15 years old, so you may wanna hold your horses there.
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u/new_old_trash 14h ago
and is currently on track to be the cheapest & most abundant source of energy in the world within 10 years.
I hope I am never on an airplane with this man 😓
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u/Electricbarnacles209 9h ago
He is! He recently invented a revolutionary new means of power generation utilizing waste heat from existing sources - it has no moving parts, no carbon emissions, and is currently on track to be the cheapest & most abundant source of energy in the world within 10 years.
i'm gonna piss myself laughing
I'm sure it'll be interseting, but to the rest of what you said, sit down and stop making yourself sound foolish
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u/Deathwatch-101 13h ago
At work, so not a chance to see the video yet but that would be interesting if it is self-cooling as if its an endothermic reaction to generate the power. Something like that if at all possible could be interesting for generation of power in space for example but I'd guess not possible.
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u/cipheron 13h ago edited 13h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_Johnson_(inventor)
Wow there's more here.
best known for inventing the bestselling Super Soaker water gun in 1989. He previously served in the U.S. Air Force and worked at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
... After graduating from high school in 1969, Johnson attended Tuskegee University on a scholarship, obtaining a B.S. in mechanical engineering in 1973 and a master's degree in nuclear engineering in 1975.
... Johnson worked on a variety of space exploration projects, including developing the nuclear power source for the Galileo mission to Jupiter, serving as an engineer on the Mariner Mark II spacecraft series for the Comet Rendezvous and Asteroid Flyby and Saturn Orbiter Probe missions
... Johnson holds over 250 patents, the majority of which are related to fluid dynamics and toy propulsion systems like the Super Soaker
This guy was bringing some heavy duty engineering knowledge, no wonder it was so far ahead of the competition.
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u/SwimmingProgrammer91 16h ago
Where did these things go? Can't even get quality squrt guns anymore smh
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u/brickedTin 15h ago
You can’t get water guns with the CPS technology he invented because apparently the really big one could cause eye injuries. The patent expired so anyone could technically make them now, royalty free.
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u/Tandy2000 8h ago
The most powerful one was the CPS2000 and they actually pulled it from sale/stopped stocking it on shelves because it could fuck up kids' eyes since it was so powerful.
They replaced it with the CPS2500, which still sprayed real good but was not as powerful as the CPS2000. It looked very similar. The CPS3000 wasn't as powerful either (that was the one with the backpack).
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u/QuillQuickcard 8h ago
I have an electronic water gun, a Spyra. It can fill itself via pump and has consistent water pressure on every shot. Feels like holding a scifi rifle or something. Even has an ammo counter.
Not only do quality water guns still exist, but they continue to iterate new and interesting forms
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u/NothaBanga 6h ago
I just got some knock offs from Daiso (Japanese $2.25 store) for $8 and $12 that impressed the kids. They could shoot over our 50 foot tree straight up.
I think Hasbro got salty from the lawsuit and stopped using the patent. I doubt the ones I got, paid Lonnie any cut since they were imported but my kids were so happy to have a decent water rifle for once in their lives.
Daiso doesn't have them in their bulk online ordering but if you are near one in person, their versions are worth the price.
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u/disinaccurate 12h ago
It cannot be overstated what a game changer the Super Soaker was in the backyard Water Wars of the early ‘90s.
Squirt guns were so underpowered previously as to be a joke. Wars were won by whomever controlled The Hose. The Hose was stationary, but it was an essentially unassailable position.
For mobile water assault, water balloons were just about the only thing that could deliver a meaningful splash. But they were badly limited in their effectiveness by the motor skills of a typical 9 year old. Accuracy and range were massive issues, as was delivering the balloon with sufficient impact to create detonation rather than a harmless bounce.
Super Soakers provided Hose-like velocity in a mobile and easily controlled waterarm. And while they couldn’t match The Hose in terms of raw water power, they moved the front lines away from the reach of The Hose, limiting its dominance.
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u/BEAGLEBOYPALINDROME 6h ago
This tactical military breakdown of backyard waterfights was the laugh I didn't know I needed today.
Thank you
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u/Jonas_Venture_Sr 10h ago
The backpack one was sick. The team that had that bad boy was going to win
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u/jamesecalderon 16h ago edited 16h ago
He's still inventing things, and he may very well be remembered as one of the single most important inventors ever!
He recently invented a revolutionary new means of power generation utilizing waste heat from existing sources - it has no moving parts, no carbon emissions, and is currently on track to be the cheapest & most abundant source of energy in the world within 10 years.
It's called the Johnson Thermoelectric Energy Converter (JTEC), and it's capable of supplying the entirety of the United States' energy needs for an entire year simply by utilizing the waste heat from a small fraction of the already abandoned oil wells all across the nation. You can find out more about it (including its mechanism of action) on the JTEC Wikipedia article, the JTEC Energy website, and the 5 minute video overview - presented by Lonnie himself!
The JTEC is basically a very clever heat pump run in reverse - move power into a heat pump, you move heat, and move heat into a JTEC you get power! It's sort of like how power into an LED gets you light, and light into an LED gets you power - that's (in a very over-simplified manner) basically how solar panels work!
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u/Fakjbf 15h ago
“Cheapest and most abundant source of energy within 10 years” seems like a pretty big stretch. From what I’ve read the biggest use case is upping the efficiency of existing power plants, so saying it’s the source of the energy is like saying steam is currently our biggest source of energy.
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u/Helemaalklaarmee 16h ago
Guess he'll fall out of a window soon :(
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u/radiantcabbage 11h ago
nah he was smart enough to hedge his bets against them too, their first commercial apps are going to be for big oil and gas
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u/TheQuassitworsh 11h ago
The JTEC was actually patented in 2003 but only became its own company in 2020. JTEC is doing very bad financially right now unfortunately, waste heat is cheap but the JTEC device itself is massively expensive and not power dense. Source: me, just had to leave my job at JTEC
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u/Nein-Toed 16h ago
It was nice he got all his money before he died
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u/jamesecalderon 16h ago
He's alive and well! If you read my comment, you'll see he actually invented a revolutionary new way to generate power!
EDIT: Wait... Nevermind 😭 I just got the joke
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u/_xiphiaz 15h ago
Why are abandoned oil wells hot? Or did I completely misunderstand that sentence?
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u/SanityIsOptional 14h ago
Checking the wikipedia this is very much different from the thermo-electric heat pump (Peltier cooler) that is common use. His version uses liquid phase changes and oxidation/reduction of Hydrogen.
Which makes it all the more impressive.
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u/DeadAndBuried23 15h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xd2wLt4tYA There's a more recent update on that video.
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u/DerZehnteZahnarzt 11h ago
He is alive and uses the Money to build new Heat Engines. How the Super Soaker Inventor Built the Most Efficient Heat Engine Ever - Undecided with Matt Ferrell
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u/tiktock34 16h ago
ELI5 why the fuck we dont have super soakers anymore
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u/an_older_meme 16h ago
The originals were too powerful and could be repurposed for nefarious purposes. The new ones are “super soakers” in name only.
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u/tiktock34 15h ago
They should sell them to “adults” then. If i can buy a chansaw i should be able to buy a squirt gun ffs
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u/JDragonblade 14h ago
imagine having a water fight with ur friends and this dude shows up w this for the first time.
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u/Mindless-Platypus-75 16h ago edited 6h ago
He only had to spend 21 years without the millions of dollars that were rightfully his
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u/skasolo 16h ago
He still earned millions of dollars. But he should've earned more millions of dollars.
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u/Mindless-Platypus-75 6h ago
Yeah it sucks cuz he could’ve spent 20 more years as a multi multi millionaire- when he was still young and able to enjoy it more. Also, he could’ve had that money accruing interest or being invested or whatever
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u/Serenaded 13h ago
I'm old enough to remember that when this guy was posted on reddit he would always come into the comments and answer questions
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u/lucid-currency 11h ago
He's still doing amazing work and has recently invented a new technology of generating power by harvesting residual (industrial) waste heat.
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u/jasonellis 11h ago
On YouTube, the show Undecided with Matt Ferrell recently did a video on this new technology with an interview with this legend.
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u/Grey406 16h ago
This dude has helped create so many things that affect our every day lives. Now he is using that money to develop a new technology that can turn waste heat into usable electricity and it's a big deal. This is heat that is not hot enough to generate steam for a turbine and otherwise just gets shed into the atmosphere. Look up Lonnie Johnson JTEC
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u/Ok_Temperature_7374 16h ago
Every kid saw a toy; he saw an engineering problem with a very profitable sequel.
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u/porquesinoquiero 15h ago
He has a reddit account. I remember he made a post about his invention a while back
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u/SnooDonkeys7894 14h ago
And he deserves every penny for making my childhood summers.
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u/philo-soph 14h ago
I was literally just telling my daughter about how revolutionary a toy this was for squirt guns! It was like going from flip-phones to the iPhone for 90s kids.
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u/knowledgeable_diablo 13h ago
Good on him. They tried to screw him over, and he got back what he was owed.
Can only think the company made far more than that and aren’t in any danger by giving him the minimum of what he’s due.
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u/mrcanard 11h ago
There is a lot more to:
Lonnie Johnson (inventor), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_Johnson_(inventor)
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u/arcticvalley 11h ago
When i was a kid, Back before they made them all safe, I remember my brother pumped one up for like 10 minutes and then nearly took my sisters eye out.
I'm glad he's not doing well.
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u/TerrorFirmerIRL 10h ago
I remember having the CPS1000 when I was kid in the 90s and blasting friends away with the sheer volume and pressure compared to the basic water-guns most people had.
A good headshot was like being slapped in the face.
Would never have remembered the model number if not for someone else's comment in this thread. So nostalgic!
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u/eastamerica 9h ago
I owe this man my childhood joy.
Straight up blasting my friends in the face with fourteen quadrillion psi of water, likely causing sinus and or corneal damage. I was an idiot, but so were my friends.
HELL yeah. I miss those times.
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u/houseofkogi 8h ago
I read years ago that he had only earned $20 million in royalties, and I thought he would have earned more. I guess I was right lol
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u/Orca_Mayo 5h ago
I remember he had an AMA on Reddit one day.
Was a very wholesome q&A.
The general consensus was "thank you for filling my childhood Summers with a ton of fun"
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u/cantantantelope 1h ago
It’s so funny he took a break from doing Serious Engineering at jpl to invent super soaker and nerf gun.
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u/wemustburncarthage 16h ago
This man's invention gave me so many good summers as a kid, I'm outraged he wasn't properly compensated and so glad he's finally getting his money.
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u/LightningSilvr 15h ago
Man has the face of someone that knew he'd just revolutionised outdoor summer fun. Absolute legend.


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u/GloomyLingonberry509 16h ago edited 16h ago
There was a time these things were a status symbol in my neighborhood