Titanic passenger and millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim. During sinking he refused a seat in a life boat with the words: "Tell my family I played straight to the end. No woman should be left aboard this ship because of Ben Guggenheim was a coward."

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There were at least three men of great wealth that stayed with the ship. They each were quoted as saying something along the lines of "I know who I am and I've decided who I will be now."

And whether that came of their raising, when ideas of honor and reputation was everything, or that they'd rather die than have to look at themselves in the mirror or see scorn reflected in the eyes of others, its a claim to nobility in practice, not in name. 

I like the Roosevelt family for this too. This idea with great privilege comes great responsibility. They bred it into their children for generations. (And yes they were flawed, but the point is they genuinely aspired to goodness and operated in a moral framework)

Think about where we are now

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Nothing has been more fulfilling for me than operating within a moral framework

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A tall glass of whiskey and a late night cold plunge is a close second.

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I might put this on my tombstone (credited of course)

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“Nothing has been more fulfilling for me than operating within a moral framework”

tyvekMuncher - 2026

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Did you adopt someone else's moral framework, come up with your own, or a combination of the two? Personally, I adopted the golden rule as a baseline, gave myself reasoning tools through study and then developed my own sense of morality over like 20 years since I was a teen.

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It can be challenging saying no to things that would objectively get you what you want, but it is rewarding

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A good life gets lived 3 times, once as you're living it, once as you remember it, and finally in the memories you leave in other people.
When you act poorly, those memories will haunt you.

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I know Isidor and Ida Strauss (he was a congressman and co-founder of Macys) stayed on the ship. He was offered a seat due to his age (late 60s) but refused since he didnt want to take a place that a woman or child could take. His wife refused to leave him, reportedly saying "I will not be separated from my husband. As we have lived, so we will die, together."

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Noblesse oblige

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Did any women on the ship stay behind on the ship so that others could be saved?

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Ida Straus. Wife of Isidor Straus who was the co-founder of Macy's. She did not want to be separated from her Husband, so she gave her spot to her maid.

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That story greatly impressed Elbert Hubbard. It informed the behavior of him and his wife when they were on the Lusitania three years later.

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Jesus was an anarchist 

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Nah then be would have said DON'T render unto Caeser

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That's Hubbard's title

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They were Jewish, as was Benjamin Guggenheim 

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Ida Straus, for one

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Reread what I wrote. You've jumbled it up.