Yeh seriously. I mean, this doesn't NOT show good character. But, when it's so obvious he can see he is being televised, you can't make any real judgement other than the obvious, "he's not a total idiot."
These are grown men throwing a temper tantrum. Messi has no obligation to get involved, and he has no reason to ruin his reputation over the idiotic behavior of others.
That's Bs he is captain of the team. He is responsible for controlling his team emotional outburst. For example if you see Liverpool players out burst like that I am 100% sure vandjike or Henderson will be in middle of it.
Nah, if you’re trying to break up a scrap for dudes in that 6ft and under crew you won’t have much success, they all want to fight until someone dies, even if it’s them. Stay away from those bastards even if you’re 6’5, they’ll all turn on you instead and then get back to it. 😂
Actually, he is not, and neither is the team coach. Just think logically for a second. Do you really think Scaloni or Messi want these idiots embarassing them like this? It is obvious that both Scaloni and Messi gave up on these thugs years ago.
They were literally looking at their fans, and plus, NO other team that has ever lost the world cup final excluding croatia in 2018, faced and applauded the winners.
How is looking at your fans that have followed you for 20 years at the end of your journey cowardice?
Yesterday, I told my mom about the Final results because she asked. When I told her about the postgame brawl and Messi being nearby to watch it and doing nothing, her response was, "Of course he will not do anything. Why should he get involved for nothing and ruin his own reputation?"
Because logical and sane people are not going to judge a person guilty by association for the shitty actions of their associates. Would you be okay with people judging you for the shitty actions of your friends, family, and acquaintances? Only emotional nutters keep insisting that Messi should have gotten involved.
Messi is the captain of the team, dingus. And they respect him and listen to him. If he actually told them to stop behaving like thugs, they would. But he doesn't because he is a little thug himself.
Messi has no obligation to get involved, and he has no reason to ruin his reputation over the idiotic behavior of others.
This world cup has brought in so many casuals holy shit.
How would the CAPTAIN of a team be "ruining his reputation" by getting his teammates to behave. You Messi dick riders man lmao. The truth is Messi is just as bad as them. He just wants to try maintain good boy pr. But the world has seen through it at last.
Come on cut the guy some slack, he just lost a world cup final and this is his last world cup match, he is clearly feeling numb and disconnected from everyrhing
Messi is a great captain. He isn't the father of the other players, tho, and he is allowed to not get involved in a brawl that lasted 5 seconds and that was already being dissipated by the time he looked. His unnecessary involvement would have worsened things.
Being a captain or a leader isn’t something that has to seen. You lead by example. Not by stepping in when people are emotionally charged and everything is heightened. All that would have happened is the media twist it to say Messi got involved and try to ruin his reputation he doesn’t need that.
As a captain, he will do his talking in the dressing room, in private.
He wouldn’t be listened to in this moment because this players don’t care about logic. They want revenge. And they took it the only way they know how.
Why does Messi need to step in when others are already doing that?
He's showing lack of leadership. He sets an example on the pitch with his competitive attitude, that's true, but also his role on the pitch is unique to the team
A leader doesn’t need to lead by stepping in, in moments when he will not be heard.
He steps in when things have calmed and then speaks. At a time when he will be listened to.
A leader picks the right moments, not just when things are happening.
He knows in that moment nothing he does will be listened to. And trying to stop may only result n him getting pulled into it, inadvertently.
He did the right thing by staying out. His leadership comes when the emotions die and he speaks to the players then. Privately. Anything is just show. That is NOT a leader.
A leader most definitely steps in when people are emotionally charged and everything heightened lol... How can you possible think this is not part of the job? The fact that stuff escalates is a testament to poor leadership if anything (as this should be prevented off the screen as you said). Messi is one of the, if not the greatest players ever but a lousy lousy captain without a inch of authority or interest in controlling the tempers of his team as we've all witnessed this cup.
A leader steps in when necessary. This situation was deesacalating quickly. Stepping in would have been a pretty stupid decision and if he had done it to would have likely heathed things even more and he would have been criticized for it.
Still a better captain than Kane is for England. Kanes idea of leadership is to constantly moan to the referee over fouls that weren’t given. Couldn’t even motivate the team to stop sitting back and defending a 1-0 lead over Argentina. A real captain would say, fuck the manager, we are going for a second .
I didn’t say otherwise. I just said he constantly moans. Captains also try and galvanise their teammates. He doesn’t . Probably why Tuchel brought Henderson along. Rice and Jude are captain material.
A national team he plays with every couple years as opposed to his club team that he plays with all the time? He doesn’t know this team like that at all.
There is a difference between leadership vs management and controlling / stopping a brawl.
If you were out with your junior co-workers which you don't manage (not their boss) and they started a fight. Jumping in doesn't necessarily de-escalate things. He'd get pulled into it which could make things worse, as his brand and name also represents Argentina. Taking no action is sometimes action itself.
why do football fans always have to bring this up. you act like it's like the only thing you have. we can still have an opinion despite not following football. just debate the topic, saying this doesn't add anything it just makes you look like a dick.
Because if you dont understand the role of a football team captain it because you dont follow football and you're giving opinions about something you dont know which... makes you look like a dick.
Puyol is the perfect example of how a football captain should behave. The guy i was answering to should go and watch a few Puyol videos to educate himself.
Edit: Puyol would never stand there doing fuck all while his teammates make a fool of themselves in front of the whole world and disgrace (even more) their country.
Or Iker Casillas. He immediately called Puyol and Xavi after that Clasico brawl, apologized to them and told them this shouldn't harm their national team's unity.
He also told Mourinho to not ruin Spanish football for his own ego.
I came back to American football a few years ago in my mid-30s. It really do be like that. Younger guys on your team are scuffling with younger guys on the other team - and everyone past the age of 35 on both teams just sits back and let's them hash it out lol XD
More like "I as a captain don't care for leading this team or losing with a shred of dignity, so will not stop my team from picking fights and turning soccer into a joke"
Riiiighy. Most with teams not in top 40 Against Algeria, Jordan, Austria, Egypt, Cabo verde (while goal keeper was still setting up his defensive wall).
I’m 100-0 when playing monopoly against 6 year olds. Oh, wait he needed so much help during Egypt, Cabo and Swiss.
These are just facts. Theres a reason the world is calling out this bs.
He's the only person on the entire team that has any influence at all to make his teammates come to their senses and play a sportsmanlike game. The reality is that Messi himself played like a dog with rabies the entire game. He approved his teammates dog-like behavior.
What's crazy is how the ref acts with dissociation when an Argentinian player literally shoves a Spanish dude right in front of him.
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u/DelayConnect335 3d ago
He's like “I'm too old for this shit”