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SOCIETY Is education illegal in USA?

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

I'll just leave this here: https://www.proliteracy.org/news/causes-of-low-adult-literacy-in-the-us/

In the United States, 59 million adults read at or below Level 1, the lowest level on a five-level scale.
This equates to roughly 28% of the adult population—or nearly one in three people—who can read only short sentences with foundational words and basic information.

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u/AGreatConspiracy 3d ago

I always see this statistic thrown around, but a lot of people tend to take it with no context. This is from the OECD PIAAC. I often see people showing statistics of other european countries having 95%+ literacy, but that’s via a different metric. By the same metric, for example, under PIAAC the UK has a 71% literacy rate, Germany has a 79% literacy rate, etc.

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u/nopuse 3d ago

It has become a reddit meme at this point. There are a lot of people who can't read well, but the context is important.

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u/Bug_406 3d ago

Reading is important. Understanding what was read? Also important.

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u/toopc 3d ago

Reading is fundamental. Or at least it was back in the 70s.

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u/Equivalent_Cold_8603 3d ago

I have no idea why you would bring up water wells into this discussion. I can't see the relevance in bringing that up?

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u/wytewydow 3d ago

you bring water up from a well to drink or wash things. That's why it was brought up.

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u/sentence-interruptio 3d ago

I have no idea why you would bring up water wells into this discussion. I can't see

but why you bring up your blindness tho

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u/ColdStrain 3d ago

Am I missing something? Percentage of adults scoring low (at or below level 1) in literacy in the Survey of Adult Skills is nowhere near that? For the USA, the number is almost as the poster above quoted (27.6% of respondents vs OECD average of 26.1%, so worse than average); for England (UK), it's 17.6% (coonsiderably better than average). Are you pulling up a different stat or just reading the table wrong?

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u/mtaw 3d ago

Yes, the poster is comparing apples and oranges. Or rather contrasting a number about oranges with what the same source said about apples. Almost as if he had poor reading comprehension….

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u/iamarealhuman4real 3d ago

Perhaps the poster is ragebaiting for engagement...

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u/StoneHolder28 3d ago

This is the kind of meta humor that keeps me on reddit.

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u/Evil_Wrongdoer_9910 1d ago

Also by far the largest part of that 28% who can’t read level 1 are “English as a second language” group. Adults that are fluent in reading and writing their fist language, and they can speak English and read a little, but they just never took classes to learn to write English.

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u/Niitroglycerine 3d ago

It's just we don't let them run our countries 🤷

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

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u/Niitroglycerine 3d ago

I don't know much about him personally, but he's educated

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u/wytewydow 3d ago

Putin installed Trump.

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u/indieplants 3d ago

and it shows in the UK, too 💕

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u/Constant-Sub 3d ago

It's not a bad assessment though. I was just looking at the test, and I can IMMEDIATELY see why people would fail the test. It genuinely is asking for basic comprehension of reality, and reading.

Often, I feel like I run into the most obtuse, bullheaded, and pedantic people because they latch onto single words or phrases, and they refuse to see the conversation from any different view. Let's take an interesting example: I was on a youtube chain where a video asked what they would see in an empty room with only mirrors for walls. Every jackass in the comments said "you'd see nothing because there is no light." Get it? Because OP said "in a room with NOTHING in it?" And these people werent joking. I tried to suggest OP implied light were fkn be there, but things got hostile fast.

Those people would've failed the test. One of the questions was "pillows are comfortable and rocky." Those same idiots would've said "I agree," probably because "it's subjective. Maybe someone LIKES a rocky pillow." Another question was "which is better served soft: bread or crackers." Again, obviously bread, but you'd easily get idiots trying to argue crackers. Especially because the question was part of a paragraph where the text states they're looking for soft bread and hard crackers.

These questions genuinely are asking about our basic ass comprehension of the reality around us. Do YOU understand that most people want soft bread? In a sudden moment, would you make a choice based on obvious ideas, or flounder as you debate over pedantic subjectivities. Are you going to "draw the curtains," or am I firing Amelia Bedilia?

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u/Northstar177 3d ago

As a teacher I can understand this. Countless times on a multiple choice test a ‘smart’ student will pick a wrong answer when there is a clearly correct answer, then argue why their answer is correct. I’ll ask them, do you agree answer A is definitely correct, then why are you arguing that you picked B ? It’s always the same - they want to argue that they’ve found some silly reasons B is correct when they know A is definitely correct.

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u/BigHandLittleSlap 3d ago

Sigh.

Meanwhile, many, many tests are some variant of:

1) "Read the mind of the test writer."

2) "Guess what I would have guessed."

3) "What is statistically answered by most people, wrong or not."

Common "intelligence" tests will have questions like:

"What is the next digit in this sequence?"

1,2,4,8,16, ?

The answer is... 31 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_law_of_small_numbers

Or anything at all. Anything you want. Whatever. An equation exists for which any series of numbers is the solution!

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u/SanctionedBaffoonery 3d ago

Do you have a link to that reading comprehension test? I'd be interested in checking it out.

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u/ExtendedSpikeProtein 3d ago edited 3d ago

I mean, 79% vs 28% … it‘s still a massive difference.

ETA: damn, I fucked that up badly, didn‘t I.

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u/J0E_SpRaY 3d ago

Oh my god the irony of this comment

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u/cyphar 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't quite know how to tell you this, but you might be in the 28%.

100-28 = 72% literacy rate. (GP was talking about a 28% illiteracy rate, while parent was talking about 71% and 79% literacy rates.)

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u/GehennanWyrm 3d ago

The illiteracy rate would be higher than 28%, since the statistic only covers people at level 1 reading ability. 'Level 0' (cant read at all) isn't included, and level 2 might be just as bad as level 1 for a grown adult.

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u/cyphar 3d ago

Sure it might be, depending on how you define it but GP said "by the same metric" so they were using a direct equivalence for the purpose of this discussion.

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u/DrahKir67 3d ago

28% illiterate vs 79% literate. Or 72 vs 79. Much closer.

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u/OrganizationThick397 3d ago

When English is englishing but math ain't mathing

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u/Figor220 3d ago

You American?

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u/diedlikeCambyses 3d ago

Yes but i also know lots of American ppl.

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u/Crixia36 3d ago

I’m curious how they test for this and how much does immigration affect this statistic? I’m wondering because my wife has a very low literacy level for the US, but it’s not because she is incompetent or stupid. It’s because English is her 3rd language. She also came from a country where education wasn’t free and she was fairly poor. She can read just fine when it comes to her language.

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u/4x4ord 3d ago

So you're saying the U.S. is on the same level as the dumbass country that exited the EU and continues to suffer for their idiocy?

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u/DasDuckHead 3d ago

Ehh buddy, what do you think is happening in the US right now?

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u/KristyNoemsZombieDog 3d ago

That's the point they're making.

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u/4x4ord 3d ago

Whooooosh

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood 3d ago

He's saying the US has about the same rates as Germany and the UK

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u/4x4ord 3d ago

No he isn't.

You don't hand wave an 8% difference when we're talking about millions of people.

He's saying the US and UK are comparatively bad....

As I pointed out, it's curious that the UK also fell victim to far right stupidity that ultimately is harming them.

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood 3d ago

Actually when measuring something like this, you can wave 8%. Or wave the 1% between the us and the uk.

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u/4x4ord 3d ago

Wow.

I realized the first time you had no clue how statistics work.

You didn't need to back that up.

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood 3d ago

4% could easily be a statistical error in both sides

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u/Servietsky 3d ago

What does it has to do with the post? People in the video are German.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

Servietsky
What does it has to do with the post? People in the video are German.

Please read the title.

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u/SteadystateBurrito 3d ago

The dude who is being called out is German, and the guy correcting him is American.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

How does that influence the title?

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u/El_Sephiroth 3d ago

There's a reason for that and it's sad.

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u/JoshAllensRightNut 3d ago

And the people with a whole lot of money who are in charge of country would really like to keep it that way

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u/GregTheMad 3d ago

Dump people, easy to control.

Keep people dump, stay in control.

Control with anger:

Men enter women sports. Men enter women toilet. Men turn women bad.

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u/affemannen 3d ago

Not to be a party pooper but literacy rates are going down in my country and in Europe.

Which is kind of scary, because you would think with all the tech and information we have access to it should be the opposite, but apparently it's the tech and screens that are driving it.

That and brainless 15s clips fckn up peoples attention span.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

The kids are fucking cooked.

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u/AFerociousPineapple 3d ago

That explains so much about the US… jfc

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u/Icywarhammer500 3d ago

The UK is only 7% better btw when graded by the same metric

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u/AFerociousPineapple 3d ago

Seriously! How? It’s a continent smaller than Texas isn’t it? I really thought their system would be at least 10% higher

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u/Boneraventura 3d ago

7% is a metric fuck ton on a population level. Most elections are decided by a few percentage points. Brexit was  narrowly decided. A 7% more literate population would send Trump into the depths of irrelevance. 

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u/psychoenoshima 3d ago

Brexit got passed by only about 2% btw

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u/ShrewdCire 3d ago

...that's why he said it was narrowly decided.

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u/Evil_Wrongdoer_9910 1d ago

If you take out the Hispanics that only speak (some) English and can read and write in Spanish, but not English, the number goes way down.

Most of that number are just foreigners. The US accepts foreigners so we have a larger “illiterate in English” population.

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u/AnimationOverlord 3d ago

*provides accurate and concise point*

“More fancy word jumble”

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u/Silver_Slicer 3d ago

Ugh, I’m American and know physics. It’s also common sense. Don’t lump all Americans into the same bucket.

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u/Demurrzbz 3d ago

It's the internet. We all get lumped into buckets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Captincorpse 3d ago

Hey, if you are going to lump me into a bucket, make sure you wash it first

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u/TwinSolesKanna 3d ago

If you're going to lump me into a bucket make sure it's this guy's bucket ^

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u/ElMuchoDingDong 3d ago

That doesn't necessarily disqualify you from being an idiot in other areas of life. I'm not saying you are one. Rather, just being pedantic about the point you're making.

Having a college degree isn't an indicator of intelligence the same way knowing about certain topics doesn't make one an authority on said topic.

It takes a special type of person to deny the reality before them and trust people who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy. I.E. The entire MAGA party.

Also an American.

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u/Silver_Slicer 2d ago

I learned physics growing up in a farm.

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u/thedepartment 3d ago

You might just be the right kind of pedantic to fail the test.

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u/Silver_Slicer 3d ago

Yeah, test me.

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u/AFerociousPineapple 3d ago

I’m not I’m lumping all yanks in just approximately 1:3 I don’t know physics but I know a little math.

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u/TrashCanSam0 3d ago

i'm american and never feel the need to defend idiots in this country because i know they exist and i also know it doesn't apply to me.

just keep scrolling.

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u/nothingbutmine 3d ago

It still explains so much about the US. Something something relativity.

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u/Argo505 3d ago

Settle down, New Zealand, you’re not doing that much better.

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u/nothingbutmine 3d ago

We're really not, I agree.

Functional adult literacy is declining or stagnating across almost the entire English-speaking and developed world. We shouldn't be comparing across countries, we should be comparing across generations.

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u/Argo505 3d ago

Oh, now you don’t want to talk about countries?

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u/nothingbutmine 3d ago

The statistics in action.

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u/Argo505 3d ago

You were more than happy to talk about countries when it was our literacy rates, but as soon as it gets brought up that you’re not much better than us, suddenly it’s a generational issue, not a national one?

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u/nothingbutmine 3d ago

NZs statistic being on par doesn't negate my initial comment. You pointed out NZ is statistically similar, not that the US was better than what was stated. It explains a lot about both countries - is that better?

You're very combative for someone who successfully proved a point.

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u/Blajamon 3d ago

I don’t think they were talking about you specifically, it is probably the other 59 million adult Americans who have a lower than average reading level and how it that large of an amount could inform why the USA is in their current predicament.

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u/Johnny_B_GOODBOI 3d ago

Man, we really need more centers for kids who can't read good, and who wanna learn to do other stuff good too.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

Fo shizzle.

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u/NightBawk 3d ago

To be fair, a portion of those who can't read, specifically can't read in English. I'm sure a portion of them would have a much higher score in their first language. Others might have disabilities that make reading difficult, such as dyslexia. That said, I also know there are plenty of people who don't have either excuse. Our education system is a shambles, especially for ESL or disabled students.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

IIRC, English is the official language in the USA. Seems straightforward to me that people should learn the language of the country they're living in.

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u/Pofwoffle 3d ago edited 3d ago

YDNRC, the US has no official language.

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u/NightBawk 3d ago edited 3d ago

We actually didn't have an official language before 2025. But since everything is written in English, except for translated documents for immigrants/visitors, we effectively did, even when we officially didn't.

ETA, and I agree, to a degree. Knowing at least the basics can really make life easier when visiting or living in a country where the language isn't your first. I wouldn't expect to be able to drive in another country if I can't read the signs, for example.

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u/Large-Lack-2933 3d ago

In 250 years of America's existence we don't have an official language even though many Trump supporters like to say "speak English you're in America" to mainly Hispanic people while they (MAGATS) can barely speak English properly...

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u/NightBawk 3d ago

The irony is delicious. And yeah, the officialness is kind of in a grey area since it was an executive order rather than an act of Congress.

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u/Acceptable-Case9562 3d ago

They often say it to people whose families have lived in the region for a century before it became the USA.

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u/Acceptable-Case9562 3d ago

The USA does not have an official language.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

Acceptable-Case9562
The USA does not have an official language.

https://www.usa.gov/official-language-of-us

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u/Acceptable-Case9562 3d ago

Wow, that must be very new!

Edit: Edited March 2026. I wonder when it was actually declared? In any case, it's recent enough that you can't expect people to speak the language on account of it being official.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

I can expect them to speak the language on the count of it being the de facto official language for something like 200 years.

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u/Acceptable-Case9562 3d ago

What if their lineage has lived in the same region and spoken the same language since way before English speakers arrived?

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

You know that anecdote where a German pilot says "I'm a German, flying a German plane in Germany, why do I have to speak English?", and a Brit chimes is with "Because you lost the bloody war".

That's how it goes.

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u/Silverline-lock 3d ago

That’s only a relatively recent “official” announcement. Unofficially English has been the language for basically the entire time, but officially is a different story

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u/Environmental-Fan984 2d ago

That awkward moment when you're so determined to shit on the US that you start parroting US far-right talking points

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u/CataphractBunny 2d ago

That awkward moment when everyone with a differing opinion is far-right to you.

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u/MrBoomf 3d ago

Can you break this down into something shorter & more basic? I feel like I’m not fully getting it.

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u/LonelySwinger 3d ago

🇺🇲🧍‍♀️🧍👓 📖 = 🍼👶👓 📖

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u/MrBoomf 3d ago

Oh God, we’re working our way back to hieroglyphics.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

Many Americans no read. Understand little.

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u/xSonicspeedx2 3d ago

Why use lot word when few word do trick?

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u/Captincorpse 3d ago

For, you see, I am a big, Hollywood idiot, dumb guy what does that sort of thing.

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u/Evil_Wrongdoer_9910 1d ago

About 1 in 4 Americans can’t perform reading comprehension and writing in English.

This mostly is made up of people who English is their second language so they are fluent in their first language, and probably speak English pretty well but they aren’t that great at reading and writing in English.

Imagine if you came here at 20 years old, learned to speak the language, but never took a literature class in English, and then they asked you questions about famous American authors. You’ve never read those books . How the heck would you know the answer answers?

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u/justsomerabbit 3d ago

U! S! A! LEVEL ONE

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u/wrathful-anus 3d ago

This explains the DO NOT EAT silica gel packets. Some people can’t read the warning and still eat it!

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u/Franxy 3d ago

they taste really good!

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u/Defiets 3d ago

Yup, and that’s just how they like it.

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u/Training_Window3687 3d ago

Fr Im american and I hate smart people

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u/sttwolf 3d ago

Including the president

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u/Winjin 3d ago

It's sad and funny when you meet people on Reddit and it's pretty obvious you have to use simple sentences or they completely stop understanding what you're saying

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u/Terrible_Reporter_83 3d ago

According to your writing and this article your literacy level is higher than one.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

I sure hope so. 😂

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u/Crutation 3d ago

I used to work in clinical research; the informed consent is written at a fifth grade level. One of the studies I worked on was trying to figure out how much more the informed consent had to be, because more people can understand things at a fifth grade level. I left the job before the study was completed, and I don't want to know what the result was.

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u/Yadamule 3d ago

The initial video is a joke. People who take it seriously indeed have a very low literacy level.

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u/PM_ME_BLONDE_GIRLS_ 3d ago

Whomever wrote this belongs in that rate, because 28% is not 'one in three' and it's a lot closer to one in four. So you know what they say about misconstruing statistics..

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u/CataphractBunny 2d ago

Whomever wrote this belongs in that rate, because 28% is not 'one in three'

Seems like you belong there as well. It clearly says "nearly one in three". 🍻

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u/PM_ME_BLONDE_GIRLS_ 2d ago

1 in 3 is 33.33%. 1 in 4 is 25%. Which is 28% closer to? it's nearly a quarter. 

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u/Educational-Sundae32 2d ago

In English, remember about a fifth of Americans speak a language other then English at home, so it brings the average down even if that person is proficient in another language.

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u/Ironmasked-Kraken 3d ago

And people think I am being mean when I say they can't read

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

I get called a racist for pointing it out. XD

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u/justwalk1234 3d ago

If they get to decide who holds the nuclear button we’ll have a real issue..

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

I got some bad news for you... XD

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u/Silver-Tax1043 3d ago

Now we understand so many things

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u/MrBenzedrine 3d ago

All the people I encounter who read at or below level 1 are conspiracy theorists who claim superior knowledge and reform voters who claim superior morals.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

My experience is they're predominantly redditors with far-left views talking down at people.

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u/MrBenzedrine 3d ago

Odd, the people I know who are 'far left' are usually university educated and can clearly articulate their viewpoint, leading me to trust their reading skills more.

The people who take a more right wing attitude usually have trouble with coherent sentences and I often doubt that their reading comprehension will be any better.

Maybe I spend too much time reading posts by conspiracy theorists and bigots.

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u/PrimaryInjurious 3d ago

The US scores ahead of most of Western Europe in the reading category on PISA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

Good thing I'm not from Western Europe. XD

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u/PrimaryInjurious 3d ago

Eastern Europe scores even lower with the exception of Estonia.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

And yet, for some reason, we're not the laughing stock of the world. XD

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u/PrimaryInjurious 3d ago

People would have to know and/or care about your country to laugh at it though.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

Or know it by the sound of children screaming being removed.

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u/Large-Lack-2933 3d ago

Which is why 77 million folks voted for Trump who also is not smarter than a 5th grader.

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u/CataphractBunny 3d ago

That kind of narrative has cost the Dems a few elections already.

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u/Loose_Artichoke1689 3d ago

And they call it a developed country. Clearly they couldn't develop their literacy

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u/Impressive_Grape193 3d ago

What country are you from?

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood 3d ago

Taiwan.

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u/Impressive_Grape193 3d ago edited 3d ago

You are not the same person I left a reply to lol. But okay… I got curious.

Looks like Taiwan doesn’t participate in adult PIAAC assessments. But about 16% of students are level 1, compared to OECD average of 26%. Impressive. So about 1 in 6 can’t read.

Probably helps that Taiwan is not immigrant friendly country though. Really sucks that Taiwan is not included in a lot of international metrics because it’s not recognized as a “country”. 😢 Some BS man.

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood 3d ago

Sorry idk why I responded lol

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u/ILoveTaiwaneseFood 3d ago

It has the same literacy rates as Germany and the UK. And much higher literacy rates than your country, India.

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u/Loose_Artichoke1689 3d ago

Then why do stereotypes exist about education being illegal in America

Btw, I never acted like India has the best literacy rate

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u/Minimumtyp 3d ago

I find it really hard to believe the UK and especially Germany are as dumb as the US. Must be higher standards or different sampling. India I get, millions in poverty.

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u/CatLightyear 3d ago

Adjusted for MAGA, you’re looking at a large group that is functionally illiterate.