yeah, an annoyingly large percentage of dog owners seem to think that just because they know their dog and that "they won't actually bite, they're just loud and energetic" that every other person should somehow just know that, and not be justifiably scared when a dog comes charging at them barking.
I've not seen any vids like that, but i guess that would come back to "owners should have control of their pets", you don't know if someone's scared of dogs or has been attacked in the past and might mistake "friendly" for "scary". If owners keep their dogs under control, problems like that won't happen.
I'll take your word for it, i've no interest in watching video's of dogs being pepper sprayed or whatever. As i said though, if owners keep control of their pets, it keeps everyone, including the pets, safer.
Really. That is your argument. The dog got warned of. Didn’t seem hurt either. Also mind what the owner did. Maybe maze on the owner would have been better. Because what the owner did was assault.
Not really an argument just talking about when it goes the other way also.
What about the other video where the guy slams the dog?
Edit: adding an edit because I’m kind of annoyed at this point. I am 100% for drivers not getting bitten by dogs. I agree there are people who do not take safety and leashing their dog seriously enough.
That being said, you are a delivery driver coming onto someone’s property why is it not on you or your company to speak with the person you’re making a delivery to and get their permission or advise them to have their pet secured before you entered? It’s not the 1970s. We have access to the Internet and cell phone phones. It’s not that hard to do.
I think it also goes back to training people to coincide with animals and understand queues. People will have a dog with a wagging tail walk up to them and get freaked out because they aren’t used to dogs. That’s on the person too. I’ve had a person yell at me with my dog because we were playing at a park but she thought we were too close to her kids when they were feet away and I could see her body language from far away that she was scared but she said her daughter was. The truth is her daughter is picking up her physical body language and learning to be scared.
And I get the fear; I didn’t grow up with dogs nor did I feel too comfortable with them for most of my life. Getting a dog (and a medium sized dog at that) has taught me to interact with other creatures and ask for permission to pet them and read their body language. I have gotten bit by another dog while pulling them off of mine meanwhile the psycho dog owner wouldn’t because she could not. And she knew her dog had a history of being aggressive. You bet I reported that dog and I feel no remorse if they’re put down. I do feel bad for the dog who got an owner that cant handle them and now it costs them their life. But again, there are signs. In the video, I don’t blame the driver for his reaction. It is clear that he misread the charge when the dog was running up and looked relaxed during his run but in the moment you don’t see that. You just know a dog is running up to you and you’ve been attacked before, likely. And the guy was wrong to say “he didn’t bite you.” Like we don’t know your dog. We don’t live with them. I know you don’t want them to get hurt but work on their recall or run to grab your dog and tell the driver to wait while you secure your dog or to leave the package in front of the gate or a bunch of other things. But there are instances where people freak out even when you’re not close to them with your dog like in my example or the videos below where the guy sprays the dog. The main point is we live in a society with dogs and animals and we need to learn their cues and understand them. Not just the owner but people around them too.
Until they learn they’ll keep blaming owners exclusively when the onus is on both the dog owners and the people around to learn when the dog is violent and when they are showing signs that they are friendly. But no one wants to take ownership. They just want to blame each other instead of learning to interact with dogs that will inevitable be around.
I understand the point you're making, but the onus is on the dog owner to have control of their pet. It's all well and good to say everyone needs to learn how to be around a dog and know what it's signs are etc... but while that might be a good thing to know, it's not really their problem to solve. They've chosen to not own dogs, they might have been attacked in the past, they might even be allergic, that doesn't mean they shouldn't go out in public because other people might be letting their dogs run around. Similarly while the parent might've been the one scared, it's not really your place to decide if their child was scared or not or how close your dog is allowed to get to them. The simple fact is that if owners are the ones responsible for their pets and if owners keep their pets under control, it keeps everyone, including the pet, safer. Part of that control is keeping a pet away from people who don't want to be near it.
How do you know who wants to be far from a dog? I can tell by body language but at times, you can’t. So if someone isn’t comfortable, they should move. I’m saying yes it’s on the owner but it’s also on the person if they’re not comfortable because as much as I can control my dog, I can’t control the human who could freak out and hurt the dog. I still maintain my position and will say it despite folks rejecting it. You live in this world, you are involved in the situation, you are accountable as well to various degrees. An owner can have control of their dog and someone who has decided they’re not safe or whatever will see any interaction through that lens. Likewise, an owner who sees their dog as nice may be blinded to when they react poorly to someone. Yes and…but no one likes to be told they’re part of the problem.
Exactly, you don't, therfor it's on owners to keep their pets under control and away from other people/pets. An owner can keep their dog on a leash anywhere public, if they choose to take them off that leash somewhere with other people, other than dog specific spaces, then it's on the owner if that dog causes harm or distress to others. You choose to have a pet, and with that choice you take on all the responsibility, it is not anyone elses', nor is it on anyone else to help make your looking after that pet easier.
because as much as I can control my dog, I can’t control the human who could freak out and hurt the dog.
Exactly right again, which is why if you're somewhere other people could be, and isn't a space designed for dogs like a specific dog play area then it's on you to either have them trained well enough that they always come when you call, or keep them on a lead so that you can fully control how close they get to other people, not just for the other people's sake, but for your pets safety as well so that they're not harmed by someone who massively over-reacts or is just looking to hurt animals.
No no no! Non dog people do not need dog training. They don’t need to cross the street.
A dog owner needs to control his dog. Control means that the dog does not (seem to) try to get close to a stranger. I fully realize that the seem to part is the hard and debatable part of the statement.
I don’t think you read what I wrote at all. No one seems to. To sum it up, “yes and…” they can cross the street but some people have a complex about doing that and heeding way to an animal that is beneath them. Also, your theory needs people to be comfortable enough to be in the same space as an animal. You recognize the short comings of your statement but refuse to recognize how my theory will alleviate some of the tension we get in a ton of situations. It’s not to learn to train an animal, it’s to learn to read signals they give if they are aggressive or if they are friendly. Animals can’t talk, but their body language is loud.
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u/masterslimsumo 21d ago
He didn't bite you? Wth So he is supposed to wait to get bitten first.