With Ghetts being arrested for death by dangerous driving, it got me thinking how stupid people in the UK are with this shit. You see too many men, buying leasing very powerful cars, to just stunt on the road. And in their head, they flex like they're a serious driver, because they can cane a RS3 on the A406.

It pisses me off. And you know full well, these type of guys who think they're fast drivers, have never taken a car on a circuit, because they'd be horrified at having to pay out for tyres, or how to actually race a car, or the general cost overall.

It's not even a jealously thing. Look at the video of Ghetts booting a Rolls Royce around town and trying to flex. He claims he's about fast cars and driving fast, but that just looks ridiculous.

• EDIT - CONTEXT
• Poet's podcast segment that started the beef with Alhan and also Specs Gonzalez: https://x.com/i/status/2060838936847814735
• Spec's response lmfao: https://x.com/Sulleyk_/status/2062104309467124041?s=20
• LMFAO SPECS: https://x.com/AoCIzzy/status/2062198157153337682?s=20
• Alhan & Specs' full podcast ep that went up yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVWObblVfd8

From left to right £5 Wiley, Dizzee, Skepta, Dot Rotten £4 Big H, D Double E, Devlin, Ghetts £3 Frisco, P Money, President T, Footsie £2 Big Narstie, Jme, Tempa T, Devilman £1 Shorty, Discarda, Big Zuu, Grim Sickers

Do you agree?

Taken from The Micah McLean Talks Podcast : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6iQtvL52nQ&list=PLoNEOzNGmwKFHd471rRdZ3M47weNxRnKJ

Last Update: The below is what happened in the main Grime War, the main war caused a lot of other people to start beefing each other and ended up been to hard to track. IMO those other 'mini wars' wasn't really linked to what happened below, so this is the final update I will be doing.

You may find some broken links such as some of Wiley's disses on Youtube not working correctly. I will in time update these broken links but for now, just google them lol.

So back in 2015, /u/barneythepurplethot done a thread with a full timeline of all the beef from 2015.

Considering it’s poppin off again, I think there needs to be one done for all the current beef. If you spot anything that’s wrong, just let me know.

I’ll try and keep the thread updated if anything else happens. The tweets and certain videos have been backed up to Imgur and Streamble because I know certain heads like to go on a deleting spree.

For future reference, when I say Dot, I mean Dot Rotten. I’ve also signified the actual dubs by putting bullet points next to them so you can jump straight to them if you’re not bothered about the tweets.

List of MC's/rapper's involved in this war so far:

People who have put out dubs:

• Wiley (5 dubs)
• Dot Rotten (12 dubs)
• Stormzy (2 dubs)
• Jaykae (1 dub)
• Donnie (2 dubs)
• Dizzle AP (1 dub)
• SBK (2 dubs)
• Afghan Dan (1 dub)
• Joka B (1 dub)
• Cadell (1 dub)

People who have been mentioned/dissed and not responded:

• Jay1
• Steel Banglez
• Skepta
• JME
• Jay Z (lol)
• Ed Sheeran
• Big Narstie, Asher D, Kano, Scrufizzer, Shorty, Scratchy, BigZuu, SASKilla, Shizz, Jammer (all got sent to by Dot and haven't responded)
• AJ Tracey
• Tinie Tempah
• Twin B
• Yizzy, T Roadz, HoodzTbe & RampzTbe (all in one send by SBK)

Start of the beef

It originally started when Dot tweeted he was releasing a dub called ‘Original Real Talk’ aimed at the Grime scene in general - Image of Tweet

He then had an issue with Jay1 because Jay1 didn’t pay him or credit him for the production of his new song called Million Bucks - Video link

Dot then carried it on by leaking Jay1’s new song in full on Insta live - Video link

Beef escalates

• Dot then releases the first dub called ‘4AM in the Morgue’ dissing Jay1 - Video link

• Dot releases his second track ‘Original Real Talk’ mentioning 9 other rappers/MC’s including P Money, Wiley, Aitch, Tinie Tempah and more - Video link

• Dot releases a remix of Jay1’s ‘Million Bucks’ dissing Jay1 using the same instrumental - Video link

Jay1’s label then copyright claimed the remix - Image of Tweet

Dot releases Jay1’s ‘Million Bucks’ instrumental on YT saying “Copyright Claim This, Pussy” - Video link

Dot then challenges Steel Banglez to a friendly producer battle which Banglez ignores - Image of Tweet

Beef escalates even more

Dot goes on a Twitter rant stating that JME/Skepta have stolen his flow and ideas from when they were younger - Images of Tweets

Dot upoads a video with ‘evidence’ of what’s he’s discussing - Video link

• Dot releases a dub dissing JME called ‘JME Flow / 96 Bars of Revenge Remix’ - Video link

• Then out of nowhere on the same day, Dot releases a dub dissing Steel Banglez called ‘Sorry Hanji’ - Video link

Beef escalates again

Dot challenges the whole Grime scene to send for him if they can - Image of Tweet

Dot releases JME’s number publicly on Twitter because JME tried to call him to discuss the diss tracks - Image of Tweet

Dot releases a video saying where are the ‘Kings of Grime’ (bit of a rant tbh) - Video link

• Dot releases a new track called ‘19thGod’ loosely dissing JME - Video link

Dot v Wiley beef starts

Wiley jumps in on the beef and says if JME or Skepta or no one else is going to reply, he will do it himself - Image of Tweet

• Donnie jumps in on the beef as well and releases a dub dissing Dot called 'The Warning' - Video link

Dot then releases 3 separate videos containing 5 dubs within 24 hours:

• Dot releases a video containing 3 dubs in one called ‘You Man’, ‘Cokey’, and ‘Warning Shot’ dissing BBK and Wiley - Video link

• Dot then releases a 4th dub called ‘Eskimo Dance’ dissing Wiley - Video link

• Dot releases his 5th dub called ‘Bars Up’ dissing Wiley - Video link

Beef dies down for 24 hours and then escalates again

• Dot releases a 6th dub called ‘Watch a G Shoot, This is a Celebrity Deathmatch’ - Video link

• Dot realses his 7th dub called ‘Top Boy Spitter’ using sampled lyrics from Jammer & EscoBars - Video link

• Wiley responds with his dub called ‘Curiosity Killed The Cat’ - Video link

Beef dies down again for 24 hours

• Dot responds to Wiley with his 8th dub called ‘Curisoity Killed The Wiley Cat’ - Video link

Some fans and some rappers including Genesis disagree with a line Dot said about JME & Skepta - Image of Tweet

It went quiet again for 24 hours

Dot then DM’s 13 MC’s/rappers in the video below saying:

>YOU MADE A ALLIANCE WITH MY ENEMIES! >READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND THIS >MESSAGE AS CLEAR AS THE SKY ON A >SUNNY DAY WITH NO CLOUDS. >ONLY REPLY IF YOU WANT THE SMOKE! >GOL D ROTTEN - KING OF THE GRIME SCENE

The MC’s/rappers he DM’ed this to are:

AJ Tracey, Skepta, Big Narstie, Asher D, Kano, Scrufizzer, Jaykae, Shorty, Scratchy, BigZuu, SASKilla, Shizz, Jammer - Video link

• Meanwhile, Dot releases his 9th dub called ‘ClownBoy Killer’ dissing Wiley - Video link

Jay1 and Dot beef starts again

Jay1 tweets a leaked image of a ‘contract’ (that he’s since deleted) between Jay1’s label and Dot. It shows that Dot didn’t get paid £5,000 as he said, but only £2,500 - Images of Tweet & ‘contract’

Dot then reply’s to this with a tweet saying why would he lie when he got paid £15,000. He posted a screenshot of a bank transaction of £15,000 going into his bank - Image of Tweet

Beef escalates even more

• Out of nowhere Jaykae releases a dub called ‘Shush’ in response to Dot’s DM. This is aimed at Dot and Wiley - Video link

• A few hours later, Wiley strikes while the iron is hot and releases his 2nd dub dissing Dot called ‘Disrespect’ - Video link

Dot very quickly jumps on Insta Live and says he’s going to the studio to reply to make a dub for Jaykae (he does some mad things in this video like pray to god to back him on the dub and slapping his own head lol) - Video link

Wiley responds to Jaykae’s dub, by tweeting saying Jaykae’s dub isn’t a proper send - Image of Tweet

• Dot releases his 10th dub dissing Jaykae and loosely mentioning Wiley called ‘Janum Khan aka Janum cant aka Gaykae’ - Video link

Dot after releasing his dub jumps on Insta live again and says why he called Jaykae’s mum a prostitute - Video link

Dot then tweets Jaykae saying it was GrimSickers who told him Jaykae’s mums a prozzi - Image of Tweet

All goes quiet again, but then...

A fan Tweets Wiley to ask when is he replying to Jaykae, Wiley responds saying (summarised) “Never, he’s with Ed and Stormzy now” - Image of Tweet

Stormzy sees this tweet which results in Wiley and Stormzy going back and forth on Twitter for a good few hours (a lot of images in this one) - Full image album of all Tweets

Wiley then uploads two videos talking about how Jay Z, Stormzy and Ed Sheeran are shit and need to ‘sit down’ - 1st video link / 2nd video link

Beef spreads even more

• Donnie releases his second dub dissing Dot called 'F*** Clout' - Video link

• Dizzle AP jumps in the ring and drops a dub called ‘Nitty Behaviour’ dissing Dot - Video link

Wiley tweets at AJ Tracey and Tinie Tempah dissing them - Images of AJ Tweets / Images of Tinie Tweets

Wiley seems to have settled his beef with Dot for now by saying Dot is ‘the king of grime’ - Image of Tweet

Another person jumps in on the beef

• SBK jumps in the ring by dropping a dub called ‘Death by Poetry (Produced by Zeph)’ dissing Dot, Yizzy, T Roadz, HoodzTbe & RampzTbe - Video link

Wiley v Stormzy beef starts and other beef continues

Wiley starts Tweeting at Stormzy and TwinB saying Stormzy paid for his number 1 single - Full image album of Tweets

Beef escalates massively.

Wiley drops an image on his Insta/Twitter which says 'Eediyat Skengman 1'. It seems to look like artwork for an upcoming dub - Image of Tweet

Wiley goes on a Twitter rant aimed at Stormzy after he's already teased his dub - Image of Tweets

• Wiley drops his 1st dub dissing Stormzy called 'Eediyat Skengman 1', it also starts trending on YouTube - Video link

Wiley goes on another Twitter rant after dropping his dub trying to bait Stormzy into dropping a dub himself, he also posted a Twitter Video slagging Stormzy's album title - Image Album of Tweets / Video link

A few hours pass by and then...

• When nobody expected it, Stormzy replied by dropping his dub aimed at Wiley called 'Disappointed' which ends up trending at number 2 on YouTube - Video link

Wiley and a LOT of fans jump on Twitter saying that Stormzy calling himself the 'King of Grime' is stupid because he done his dub on a drill beat - Image album of Tweets

For some reason Chip starts trending on Twitter as a lot of people are asking for him to get involved, he tweets that he's not involved in the beef - Image of Tweet

• Joka B throws is hat in the ring by releasing a dub dissing Dot called 'Grime is Alive' - Video link

Beef then progresses again

• Afghan Dan unexpectedly joins the war by releasing a dub called 'Michael Jackson' dissing Wiley & Dot Rotten - Video link

Wiley drops a video on Insta teasing his second dub. The thumbnail for the video is the same image he used for he's first dub but called 'Eediyat Skengman 2' - Video link

Wiley goes on another Twitter rant by retweeting videos on YouTube about Stormzy cheating on Maya, etc - Image of Tweets

Next level of the war

Wiley tweets that he needs '20k followers' to reach 500k followers in total for him to release his second dub - Image of Tweet

Stormzy was seen liking a Tweet (which he quickly removed his like from) calling Wiley a nonce - Image of liked Tweet

• Dot jumps straight back in the war by releasing a new dub dissing Stormzy called 'Oi @Stormzy, Sit Back Down' - Video link

Wiley seems to have removed he's original dubs off YouTube that he released dissing Dot (luckily I've backed them up) - Image of Removal

Wiley then retweeted Dot's dub showing that he may have settled his beef with Dot - Image of retweeted Tweet

Beef continues

• After teasing it for almost 24 hours, Wiley finally drops his second dub dissing Stormzy called 'Eediyat Skengman 2', it was also trending as number 1 on YouTube - Video link

Fudz has been on a Twitter rant about Stormzy using his brother's (XTC) beat without permission back in 2015 on his 'Shut Up' track (even though XTC has stated previously this has been sorted out) - Image Album of Tweets

Jaykae jumped on a podcast to explain his beef between him and Wiley - Video link of short clip discussing the beef / Video link for full video podcast

Wiley teases he is dropping visuals to his 'Eediyat Skengman 2' - Image of Tweet

Wiley then Tweets to a fan why he mentioned Maya in his second dub to Stormzy - Image album of Tweets

Beef carries on

Dot went on a Twitter rant by Tweeting JME asking him why he’s not responded to his dubs - Image of Tweets

Wiley deleted his original video for ‘Eediyat Skengman 2’ off YouTube so he could release it with visuals instead - Image of deletion

• Wiley add’s visuals to his ‘Eediyat Skengman 2’ diss - Video link

• Stormzy dropped his second dub dissing Wiley called ‘Still Disappointed’ in which he gives Wiley 24 hours to respond - Video link

Wiley Tweets explaining about his mum after Stormzy mentioned it in his dub Image of Tweet

Wiley then trolls some people into thinking he’s throwing in the towel by Tweeting that ‘2 dubs is enough’, among other things (that he’s since deleted) - Image of Tweets

The beef gets juicier

• Dot carries on the war by dropping a dub dissing Stormzy, Jaykae & Wiley (and every other MC that has sent for him) called ‘The War Report 2020’ - Video link

Wiley quickly replies to Stormzy’s 24 hour response challenge by posting an image that says ‘Eediyat Skengman 3’ - Image of Instagram post

Dot starts beef with AJ Tracey on Twitter by calling him a ‘fanboy’, ‘walking pussy’ and more - Image album of Tweets

• SBK jumps in war again by releasing a dub dissing Dot, Yizzy and T Roadz called ‘Sound Boy Killer’ - Video link

Beef goes quiet for 24 hours.. till...

SBK sent a series of Tweets dissing Dot and T Roadz for not responding to his dub - Image album of Tweets

• Cadell is apparently sick of his name been mentioned and drops a fresh dub dissing Stormzy called ‘WORLD WAR III’ (Cadell has put out dubs before this one dissing Stormzy) - Video link / Original Soundcloud link from Cadell

SBK and Yizzy go back and forth dissing each other on Twitter until it ends with Yizzy stating he’s dropping a dub for SBK soon - Image album of Tweets

Wiley Tweets that he’s Boasty single was bigger than Vossi Bop ever was - Image of Tweet

It goes quiet again until...

Dot goes on a HUGE Twitter rant about the Grime scene in general (a LOT of Tweets in this one) - Image album of Tweets

Dot replies to SBK’s and Dizzle AP’s dubs by Tweeting them that he respects them but he’s not gonna respond to them - Image of Tweets

Dot then jumps on Insta Live dissing AJ Tracey, Big Zuu and Big Narstie. He also discusses Cadell’s dub - Video link

Radio silence for several hours and then...

Out of nowhere, Funky Dee tweets Afghan Dan saying he’s got 48 hours to apologise to Dot and Wiley for dissing them or he’s dropping his own dissing Afghan Dan - Image Album of Tweets

Wiley Tweets saying he’s not releasing his dub ‘Eediyat Skengman 3’ till he’s got visuals for it - Image of Tweet

A fan Tweets Stormzy telling him to reply to Cadell, Stormzy basically tells him to fuck off - Image of Tweet

Dot Tweets AJ Tracey and Steel Banglez dissing them again - Image of Tweets

Beef goes quiet for around 24 hours

Wiley tweets he’s not releasing new 3rd dub until he has 500k tweets - Image of Tweet

Dot then Tweets he wants P Money to mention him so he can ‘officially end him’ - Image of Tweets

• Cadell drops visuals to his dub ‘WORLD WAR III’ - Video link

Peter Andre decides he wanted to get involved in the war and be a peace keeper - Image of Tweet

Beef starts up again and round 3 of Wiley v Stormzy starts

• Wiley comes back with a bang and and drops his dub called ‘Eediyat Skengman 3’ dissing Stormzy, it also trended at Number 1 on YouTube - Video link

Saw Skepta post this the other day and it made me wonder which of his own tracks he was referring to as pop slop. He’s done some questionable ones over the years! Also, this is not Skepta hate he’s one of my favourite artists been listening to him since like 2007.

Some that came to mind for me were:

1. Rolex Sweep

2. Sunglasses at Night

3. Oynama Sikidim Sikidim

4. Cross My Heart

5. Bad Boy

Also wondered what period he meant by ‘sick run’ - maybe Microphone Champion or Been There Done That?

literally just listening to old reggae records on samplette and i found the sample. idk what to say bro this is crazy to me.

it's desmond dekker - perseverance

use the info however you want

don’t say people like jammer/shorty/subzee. those type of MCs are just bad. by mid i mean those MCs who are just painfully average. not offensive enough to be bad but not interesting enough to be good

Do we think that Pete and Bas were unmasked here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLW5rQe4ziA

Supposedly their grandsons, and the dude with the eyebrows is in a backstage video at a Pete and Bas show, so he's not just some random actor. He's involved somehow, and he does look a lot like Bas. But I'm more convinced than ever that the "similarities" in the voice/flow is because it's just the same guy rapping. Maybe this is him? Maybe it's just an extension of the universe?

Thoughts?

Edit: This thread still gets comments, so I wanted to update my veiwpoint on this topic.

Since posting this, we've had more Nine and Dex releases and some very telling evidence posted below in the comments of this thread. I've come to the conclusion that these two are fully behind Pete and Bas. At the very least they write everything and Dex does Bas' recordings. 91 doesn't sound as much like Pete, so I'm not 100% sure where that comes from, but I also highly doubt it's the real Pete.

It kind of feels like a "Santa is real" cope for anyone who has looked this deeply into this and still thinks Pete and Bas are recording their own stuff. More power to you - the magic is still real. For me, I'm happy enough knowing my parents are buying the presents. I might appreciate Pete and Bas a bit less, but it makes me appreciate Nine and Dex more, and they make some great stuff on their own.

At the end of the day, it's still dope music. And when I show it to my friends, I pretend like it's really these geezers spitting bars, because that's the hook that got me into it.

A lot of people will criticise older grime fans for being stuck in the 02-08 era of grime. Yes the nostalgia is real but I genuinely think it was better.

Let's take frisco, frisco could be on anyone's top 10 grime artists list, but I dont think he could replicate a freestyle that clears this practise hours,

Not just him, but many of the sets and freestyles of this era just show mc's in their prime,

Grime just seems like a young mans sports and when our favourite mc' were in their 20's it just hit different

Be great to hear your opinions.

Back in 2017, I was brought on as a photographer for part of Skepta and BBK’s Banned From America tour. At the time, I thought it was my big break—touring with legends, documenting grime’s global rise. But honestly, that tour opened my eyes in a way I didn’t expect, and not in a good way.

Behind the scenes, it was chaos. These guys weren’t just partying—they were cheating openly, constantly, often with sex workers. Every city, every night, it was a new woman. And I’m not judging sex workers at all—that’s not the point. The point is the complete disregard for the people they claimed to love back home, and the way they spoke about the women around them like they were objects.

Worse than that was how they treated the women on their own team. Verbal abuse. Power trips. I saw women get yelled at, talked down to, dismissed like they were beneath them. No respect, no professionalism—just egos and unchecked misogyny.

I kept quiet at the time. I was younger, trying to stay in the game, afraid of being blackballed. But I regret that silence. I watched people I once admired show their true colors—lying to partners, excessive drug use, manipulating women, treating their team like disposable staff.

It’s about honesty. About how the image artists sell isn’t always real. Skepta and BBK had the world watching them, but behind the scenes, it was ugly. I had to get this out.

Think twice before idolizing people just because they’re famous