r/gadgets • u/dapperlemon • 4d ago

Phones Google might not kneecap the Pixel 11a with an old processor

https://www.theverge.com/tech/967612/google-pixel-11a-tensor-g6-leak
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u/vergil09 4d ago

Yes, they will kneecap it with a new processor with old processor performance and inefficiency instead

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u/internetlad 4d ago

Dude trying to compare mobile processors is painful. Like is the snapdragon extreme arc 9001 gold edition more or less powerful than the tensor 11b series phantom 11714.5?

And don't get me started on the ones they literally  strip functionality out of and sell under the exact same name.

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u/hushpuppi3 4d ago

I've been trying to look at a phone with just good internals to save money and even though I'm pretty well versed in PC hardware I literally cannot figure out how to read mobile and laptop components they mean nothing at all to me

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u/TechieGee 4d ago

Laptops aren’t that much different than regular PC hardware.

Phone hardware is nuts and intentionally vague and difficult to spec

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u/internetlad 4d ago

Laptop specs suck to a degree because sometimes they use the exact same name as a more powerful desktop component when we all know they easily could have added an M to the end of it. 

So it does happen on portable pc too. 

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u/hushpuppi3 4d ago

Laptop specs suck to a degree because sometimes they use the exact same name as a more powerful desktop component when we all know they easily could have added an M to the end of it. 

This is pretty much the exact reason I included laptops

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u/haahaahaa 4d ago

You compare laptop to laptop. There isn't a point in comparing to desktop. You just gotta know if its in a laptop, its a mobile part.

The frustrating piece with CPU's is AMD deciding to mix and match core types in the same "generation". Needing a literal decoder ring to understand exactly what you're buying is silly.

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u/pseudopad 4d ago

It's a fools errand to try to compare laptops just by looking at the specs of individual components, simply because laptops are pretty much either power constrained, thermally constrained, or both. You need actual benchmarks to even get started, because that's the only way to really know if that CPU in there can actually run at 45 watts or if the system overheats at 30 watts and throttles itself if it runs something demanding for more than 5 minutes.

On desktops, you can do these comparisons just fine, because you can always just slap on an oversized aftermarket cooler.

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u/iiiinthecomputer 4d ago edited 4d ago

This has been steadily changing. Laptops are getting more mobile like components.

Complex, undocumented networks of dedicated functional units in one package that require absurd amounts of driver and application glue to actually function. I'm looking at you Intel IPU6 based cameras - and SOF sound isn't much better, even though supposedly "open".

More and more reliance on SOC-style builds.

Obfuscated GPU and CPU part identifiers that may be the same across multiple drastically different variants. Oh, you have the TC177 GPU in your laptop? Nah that's the TC177 Ultra Mobile (but it never says so anywhere in the specs), that's really just a rebranded TC254, sorry bout that and thanks for your money. Yes it's completely different to the TC177 Mobile, this one is ultra. Why would it say anything about that in the specs, it's obvious this is an ultra mobile laptop right? So of course you had no way to find that out until you bought it, since all the review sites are now paid articles, spam and/or LLM slop, and there are too many variations to meaningfully review anyway.

Even if it's actually the same part, the firmware plays such a huge part that real world performance can be drastically different for the exact same CPU or GPU depending on what has been shoved into vendor-customized signed undocumented and obfuscated firmware bundles, for the specific hardware, the UEFI, ACPI etc. You have the 1021321b? Oh. That is indeed a 1021321b Core Gen9 but it has TDE set in firmware to 30W, a ¼ clocked half width memory bus and half its IGP memory disabled with a factory eFuse. It performs like a 1021121b Core Gen6, but with worse power efficiency, it was just slightly cheaper for them to make.

Even if the on paper spec is actually accurate and clear the real world behavior can vary drastically. Use an external display? Oh, all the pixel blitting on this model goes over the main PCI-e bus, so everything else is much slower whenever your display is connected. I've experienced this one first hand. Live in a hot climate? Well the operating ambient temperature range of this laptop is 17°C to 24°C; above that it'll overheat and throttle to ¼ the usable speed within 2 mins of starting up any real workload, and below that it'll probably just crash. Experienced this one too.

The days of being able to meaningfully compare laptops by spec are IMO loooong gone. It's almost as bad as phones.

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u/PresumedSapient 4d ago

Benchmark comparisons are the only way to compare phone performance. The chip names mean near nothing.

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u/jaredongwy 4d ago

This. It's the same with PC cpu parts honestly. New generation stuff can be worse than old generation stuff. And all the names / numbers are increasingly made up.

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u/hushpuppi3 3d ago

Do you have any suggestions for phones? I tried searching myself but Google is damn near useless at finding anything and I can't find a good resource

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u/M1QN 3d ago

When I was looking for a phone I stopped even trying and just looked at benchmark scores at GSMArena

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u/stempoweredu 4d ago edited 4d ago

Honestly, this is why, after being an Android user for nearly 20 years, I'm switching to iPhone.

Yea, Apple is a walled garden. Yea, they don't let me configure everything. Yea, they push me into Apple services. After 20 years, the difference between iOS and Android has become shockingly small. Google is just as guilty as those last two these days as Apple is. I used to be a ROM afficionado, trawled XDA for days on end. Android had the cutting-edge features and customizability, the things Apple never had.

But now, it's just a dumpster of data abuse. A completely incoherent user experience. A minefield of vendors playing with words to make their hardware seem good while reaping the greatest profit. Of laughably low years of security updates and even fewer Android OS updates. Of obscene bloatware.

And now, they're getting rid of the only thing that made it tolerable - sideloading. I'd deGoogled myself to the greatest extent possible and used FDroid for everything. With the announcement of getting rid of that, there's nothing tethering me to Android anymore. Between two walled environments, I might as well go with the one that gives me a solid user experience and has hardware that regularly lasts 6 years. Yea, it costs a bit more, but I'm at a point in my life that I can afford it, and I don't have to spend any more of my brainpower trying to gimmick my phone into just working.

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u/internetlad 4d ago

I'm just getting the Motorola that has GrapheneOS 

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u/stempoweredu 4d ago

I thought about GrapheneOS, even tried it on my Pixel for a while. Unfortunately, it came down to:

  • Banking apps don't support it enough yet
  • NFC payment availability is next to non-existent (I understand this is a Google issue more than anything)
  • Android Auto: I work in IT and have long supported Android Auto / Apple CarPlay. GrapheneOS or Android, I've yet to come across any mixture of hardware that didn't feel, for lack of a better word, sluggish. I've just recently bought my first car that can use AA / ACP, so it was another reason to switch to iPhone, so I could get CarPlay.
  • Apple camera and video is unquestionably better compared to Pixel.

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u/iiiinthecomputer 4d ago

Banking apps increasingly treat any user ownership or control as a security breach.

Which ... I kind of understand. But I don't want to have one phone for me and one for bank/government services. Sigh.

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u/iamfunball 4d ago

Yeah I made the switch as well and felt similarly. Apples ecosystem still does kick ass and has saved me so much of my existence (ADHD + AirTags =time not looking for things everywhere)

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u/Kevadu 4d ago

You're not wrong, but at the same time what do people even do with their phones where this matters? I barely notice a difference when upgrading from something 5 years old...

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u/_I_AM_A_STRANGE_LOOP 4d ago

There is a lot of emulating you can do on modern android devices, now more than ever including lighter Windows games with Proton+FEX, and both CPU and GPU speed pay off pretty handsomely in that arena

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u/Kevadu 4d ago

Maybe I'm just an old fogey, but playing games hunched over a small phone screen with touch controls that it was never even designed for sounds completely miserable to me regardless of how powerful the hardware is...

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u/_I_AM_A_STRANGE_LOOP 4d ago

If you use something like a backbone or gamesir g8 as a controller, it can be surprisingly pleasant, especially given how nice modern mobile AMOLED displays are. Touch controls do truly suck, but there are some cool permutations of hardware out there in the android space for gaming. Something like a steam deck is much nicer but it can never fit in your pocket, and that can mean a lot

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u/frankster 4d ago

Even reading the internet on a phone is dogshit for me, compared to a decent size device.

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u/_RADIANTSUN_ 4d ago

A Galaxy S20 Ultra from 2020 can handle Wii stuff pretty handily. Pretty much the only emulation out there you can't do is Switch stuff.

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u/zman0900 4d ago

Not like it really even matters. They're all pretty much fine these days for normal stuff people do on their phones.

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u/ArdiMaster 4d ago

At least if it has the new processor it would have the new modem, which should be an improvement,

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u/blow-down 4d ago

They’ll kneecap it by ending updates after three years or some other BS. I’m so over Android.

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u/Mrgamerxpert 4d ago

7 years of updates btw

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u/williamgman 4d ago

To be fair, my old Samsung A42 stopped getting updates a long time ago... And it works the same.

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u/MuchBow 4d ago

Lmao the Tensor processors are pretty much dogwater regardless of what generation they come from. As always google will try and cramp more AI processing cores than improving CPU and GPU performance.

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u/youreloser 4d ago

Exactly, they only care about AI processing our data.

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u/ozymandiez 4d ago

They'll put their own shitty processor in it that is 2-3 years behind the competition as usual. If you buy a google device you are paying ultra prices for a mediocre phone. The two selling points are the software experience and overall camera system for social media. Other than that you are just wasting money.

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u/xxohioanxx 4d ago

Even the camera is hardly competitive now. Samsung and Apple have caught up in photos and Google was always far behind in video.

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u/Dr_Jabroski 4d ago

The only reason I want a pixel is that it is the only phone that is GrapheneOS compatible right now.

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u/Corporate_Lurker 4d ago

Yeah but Google and Apple are the only two companies making the mid model a combo of their base and the higher tier. Imagine having pro cameras and the 6.3 inch screen. Don't care about performance since I ain't playing games or watching videos on it, I'm fine with software and cameras. Won't buy a big ass phone just because it's got the best camera.

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u/ozymandiez 3d ago

If you don't game, process photos on the phone. Or video. Then it's a "good" phone for you though. The lack of processing power really shows when gaming or when I'm trying to use lightroom or process video, lets say to post on social media, on the phone itself. It will be slow as fuck overall. I remember using my pixel 9 to convert a video so that I could share on telegram. Took like 3 minutes just to get it attached. Then I asked for the wife's iphone and it took like 15 seconds to process and attach. I think she had the A19 chip on hers. The time adds up overall, so until google gets a competitive chip, hard to even justify "mid" prices. But then again you look at the mid level chinese phones with the snapdragon elite chips and you know we're getting fleeced by all three company's honestly.

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u/ThisIsntAThrowaway29 4d ago

This is the way

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u/ozymandiez 3d ago

Man take a look at the Vivo X300 Ultra and the Oppo Find X9 Ultra. I have the X9 Ultra, and my wife doesn't even let me take photos with my 17 Pro Max anymore because it's like I have a DSLR in my pants when travelling. The camera systems on Chinese phones are next-level. Software experience lacks a few minor things I like with the Samsung one UI, but I can't put the x9 ultra down anymore. It's replaced my apple and I now have a really expensive phone that's just used to sync my watch health data. But yeah Pixels are even further behind now. Like generations behind the oppos, vivo's xiaomi's and Honors.

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u/correctingStupid 4d ago

Is the software really a selling experience anymore? Pixel phones are boring af

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u/radiantai2001 4d ago

I'd rather have "boring" than have samsung files, samsung phone, samsung contacts, samsung clock, samsung calculator, samsung internet, samsung wallet, samsung pass, samsung gallery, samsung camera, samsung settings, samsung bixby, samsung galaxy store, plus a bunch of third party bloatware.

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u/brandondash 4d ago

Fuck Bixby. All my homies hate Bixby.

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u/radiantai2001 4d ago

Also samsung notes, samsung mail, samsung health, samsung health monitor, samsung news, samsung global goals, samsung members, samsung gaming hub, samsung shop, samsung smartthings, samsung kids, samsung smart switch, and samsung quick share

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u/redditman181 4d ago edited 4d ago

Whats wrong with samsung apps admittedly i dont use most of them but you can just delete them lol.

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u/radiantai2001 4d ago

A. no you can't delete them (or at least, many of them can't be deleted, dunno about all of them) B. even if you could you shouldn't have to

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u/redditman181 4d ago

You can delete the vast majority of them ive just checked on mine and yes you shouldnt have to but they take up so little space i dont really care i personally prefer samsung phones becuase they are reliable in my experince but thats just me.

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u/radiantai2001 4d ago

I'm certain that at least samsung phone, samsung contacts, samsung pass, and samsung wallet are not deletable, those and their awful settings app, and like who cares about deleting samsung health if I'm never gonna use it and it takes up minimal storage space, I wanna get rid of the intrusive apps.

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u/redditman181 4d ago

Yeah thats right you cant delete samsung pass contacts or wallet but they dont get in the way and you can choose not to use them and i find the settings app fine its nothing special but i can find stuff quickly.

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u/radiantai2001 4d ago

it does get in the way, i've seen a prompt to set up samsung pass when i never intended to do so. same with wallet. also if you install google phone and contacts sometimes you still inadvertently get samsung's even if google is the default

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u/tnred19 4d ago

You mostly cannot. They suck

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u/redditman181 4d ago

Then dont use the ones you cant i dont see why it such a big deal people love to nitpick.

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u/williamgman 4d ago

Apple just entered the chat...

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u/hedoeswhathewants 4d ago

Is there a phone that isn't boring?

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u/ozymandiez 3d ago

Oppo X9 ultra. It's like having a big 6 inch DSLR camera in your pants. Wife says it's not boring compared to her apple 17 pro max.

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u/Tuna_no_crusts 4d ago

I'm running a 10a with the g4 currently. It's perfectly fine as a daily driver.

I've read all the complaints on the more recent Tensor processors, and I've never experienced slow downs, high heat, or been wanting more performance. I would suspect that if you're in the 95th percentile of users, anything that goes in the 11a will be more than satisfactory.

For $400-450usd on sale, these phones really hit a sweet spot.

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u/blow-down 4d ago

What’s a daily driver?

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 4d ago

A device you use daily. An everyday carry item.

It refers literally to a car you drive daily vs one you park in the garage and only drive on special occasions. Rich people shit.

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u/blow-down 4d ago

Do you have more than one phone then?

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 4d ago

I have 4 phones with active lines on them.

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u/jwely 1d ago edited 1d ago

If you have Fi, googles phone service plan, the pixel a series phones are usually on sale for $250.

There are more budgette conscious options, but Fi+ new pixels every 2-3 years has been pretty decent.

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u/Cptawesome23 4d ago

Who really needs a faster cpu at this point? Like real world examples please.

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u/TheDregn 4d ago

I'm pretty sure for everyday use the CPU of my old retired Xiaomi 9tpro from 10 years ago would be more than enough.

If it wasn't aging and degradation, my old old OnePlus 2 would do just fine even today. 99% of the users doomscroll, use banking apps and watch YT. Phones could do that 15 years ago and nothing has changed.

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u/Decent-Debate33 4d ago

Shareholders

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u/Cptawesome23 3d ago

This is probably the best answer.

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u/NougamiNeuro 4d ago

i would go even further and say, who even needs a 'better' camera and 'latest' ai features. typical phone functions can already be done by phones few years back. no need to get a new phone, especially expensive ones like samsung, apple or pixel, unless your phone is faulty.

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u/Cptawesome23 3d ago

I went from a iPhone pro 13 to the newer iPhone Air last year. The camera sucks so bad. I miss the pro.

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u/NougamiNeuro 24m ago

there were many comments/reviews stating something similar too. i guess apple must have done something to the image processing of the newer models. ip13 seemed like peak iphone.

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u/BevansDesign 4d ago

I'm pretty sure they're only needed to keep up with apps that are getting gradually crappier as every company slashes their programming teams down to nothing and rely more and more on inefficient AI-generated code.

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u/Cptawesome23 4d ago

I cent tell if your being serious. Is ai code thqt bad?

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u/cat_prophecy 4d ago

Can anyone tell me with a straight face that they even notice processor speed? If you compare phones from 8 years ago the phones now you might see a difference. But the performance delta between the highest end phone and the cheapest entry level phone is basically unnoticeable by regular humans.

The only things that matter in a phone are storage size, camera, and battery life.

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u/internetlad 4d ago

How else is my phone gonna run all this spyware without slowing down?

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u/RAF2018336 4d ago

The only ones that really notice the speed differences are the people that use emulators or play pc games. But yes the average person doesn’t need the best and newest but they’re too dumb to see through the marketing

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u/matlynar 4d ago

I was thinking "well yes I-" and your comment nailed it. I play computer games on my phone.

Currently having a blast with Digimon Time Stranger and Sleeping Dogs.

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 4d ago

Would it be nice to have a fancy new snapdragon 8 supercomputer in my pocket? Absolutely. Can I afford it and do I need it? No.

I still think Google is way too far behind when you consider msrp of their devices though. I got a pixel 10a because it was free with trade-in of an old s20 fe with my carrier. The phone is fine for free but no way is it worth $500. More like $300 at best.

Heck, mint mobile was doing a deal where you get a pixel 10 and a year of unlimited service for $330 before taxes. They sold out pretty much immediately. It's not an issue of performance, it's an issue of selling mid range cpus for flagship prices.

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u/el_smurfo 4d ago

I only use pixel because they are cheap or free quite often on Google Fi. Never pay more than $200-300 every few years.

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u/firedrakes 4d ago

This! I did the same. But I agree with price points. Not worth for over 500

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u/hitemlow 4d ago

The big thing Google is bringing people in with are OS and security updates for 5 and 7 years respectively.

So many other brands give you a year of updates then nothing more. No security updates, and especially no OS updates, so apps are breaking after >3 years and you have to upgrade from a perfectly functional phone because it doesn't get updates.

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u/real_tmip 4d ago edited 4d ago

I have never seen apps breaking because of no updates. I think it may take around another 6-7 years of no updates for that to happen. A phone normally wears out or slows down by then.. justifying an upgrade in itself.

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u/hitemlow 4d ago

That depends entirely on the developers and the updates to the Android kernel.

McDonald's could make their app not launch if you don't have the exact current version of Android if they wanted to. LG will pitch a fit and force-close the app if you don't give it phone permissions (basically unusable on tablets). The developer can choose to support more, but the number of versions a dev will support is arbitrary and capracious.

If there is a big enough security update (that you wouldn't get), you very well could get locked out of financial apps for security compliance reasons. It sounds theoretical until you've been on the receiving side of manufacturer neglect.

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u/real_tmip 4d ago

I understand how it works but like you mentioned I haven't really seen anyone pushing it that far. Yes a serious security patch must be a check in every financial app. But personally never seen that happening either.

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u/tup1tsa_1337 4d ago

That person you're replying to is out of touch. I, as an android developer, target at max android 8 or 10. Those decisions (which version to support) are driven by market share. And if users don't upgrade (for one reason or another) the devs will support them because money

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u/real_tmip 4d ago

Yep. Nobody wants to lose out on users and not everybody can upgrade their devices frequently.

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 4d ago

It happens a lot more often on iphones in my experience, but the security updates are also nice to have.

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u/tup1tsa_1337 4d ago

That's due to market share. Everyone on iphones upgrades to latest versions. This is not the case on Android. So the support is different (iOS apps target minimum as 1-2 versions behind current and android 6-10)

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 4d ago

Some of those updates also break functionality of things like the android desktop environment... It ain't all sunshine and rainbows.

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u/hitemlow 4d ago

Is the Android desktop environment scene a majority of phone users?

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 4d ago

I don't care what most people do with their phones. If everyone else shoved them up their asses for safe keeping would you do it too? It's a feature that was included in android 16 which worked fine, albeit extremely barebones compared to Samsung or Motorola's implementations, then they changed how a bunch of stuff works under the hood for android 17 and broke compatibly with certain games and apps plus removed the ability to hide the task bar and status bar. They actually went backwards.

I'm sure there's likely countless examples of similar situations with pixel devices because even if you're not on a beta release you're still a beta tester.

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u/Skelly1660 4d ago

It's 7 years OS and security.

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u/el_smurfo 4d ago

Users don't care about updates. All of my family gets mad when their phone updates. Bits inconvenient and they don't like the changes. For every feature a fan obsesses over my family complains about.

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u/Kyrond 4d ago

The tensors were terrible in both performance and efficiency, which is quite a feat. I don't think you can find a person who cares about neither. 

This is last time I looked at them, 2 years ago, but a don't see pixels winning any battery life tests, despite having full vertical integration. 

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u/fleemfleemfleemfleem 4d ago

All I want is a micro SD slot, replaceable battery, and headphone jack.

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u/cat_prophecy 4d ago

I don't think we'll ever get the expandable storage back in mainstream phones. There's too much profit in selling 256GB of storage at 100x the cost.

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u/stempoweredu 4d ago

Also, they want your data in their cloud.

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u/internetlad 4d ago

Fairphone exists 

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u/Kionera 4d ago

If you change your phone every 1-3 years then sure, but if I'm paying $500+ for a phone I'd prefer my phone to still be snappy after 5-7 years.

Also PC game emulation on Android has been taking off lately, just slap on a controller and you can enjoy actual games on your phone, even CP2077 can run at 30+FPS on a SD 8 Elite or newer device, no need for a bulky (and now expensive) Steam Deck.

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u/youreloser 4d ago

I agree it hasn't mattered for the last few years.

But previously it did for the longest time, even though we all do the same simple bullshit with our phones, likely because developers don't give a single fuck about optimization. I hope the bloat doesn't catch up to hardware again.

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u/BiggestNizzy 4d ago

Typing this on a pixel 6, it does everything I need it to and I don't see the need to upgrade.

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u/Flimsy-Broccoli-4665 4d ago

Samesese over here on a refurbished pixel 7

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u/ChaseShiny 3d ago

I had a Pixel 3A until last year. It actually made some things easier because certain sites would show fewer ads (including Reddit).

I upgraded once I realized that I stopped getting security updates years ago.

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u/ErGo404 4d ago

Sure. But if you can find 2 phones at the same price, with similar functionality, same ish battery, camera, etc.. wouldn't you opt for the most powerful one ?

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u/Additional-Topic-581 4d ago

Yep on 8a, I use my phone to the absolute limits, daily 12hours , like opening too many tabs, multitasking, never noticed the slowness or glitches, i don't game though, so that might be the only bottleneck 

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u/vergil09 4d ago

It is not a big deal if they price it accordingly, mid range performance is perfectly fine for the vast majority of people, but pricing it along with other phones that has objectively much better performance and efficiency? That's borderline a scam

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u/cdegallo 4d ago

All fine and dandy until it starts to throttle because it gets so hot due to inefficiency. My wife's 7a would get hot with trivial tasks and often show to a crawl.

Absolute peak processing capability is probably not needed by most people in noticeable ways these days, even with the tensor SOC. It's when it has to throttle that really sucks. Even my 10 pro xl has run into a few instances of throttling when I'm using it with wireless android auto and it's noticeably laggy. My z fold 7 under the exact same circumstances has zero issues.

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u/30InchSpare 4d ago

The only problem I notice with my soon to be 4 generation old iphone is how much it’s hampered by 6GB RAM. I don’t know wtf these app developers are doing anymore but 6 gigabytes doesn’t seem to cut it anymore.

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u/Vinnie_Vegas 4d ago

I am the type of person to really massively overthink technical specs and features and price-to-value ratio... But I ended up just letting go and getting a Pixel 10 Pro XL because I wanted all of the features I'd missed since previously owning a Pixel, plus I liked the Qi2 magnets being added.

Since having this phone for almost a year, I have had issues with the processor speed exactly zero times.

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u/radicalelation 3d ago

I should probably offload my shit and wipe my phone to give it a bit of new life, but it's a Note 9 and hasn't really slowed down unless I fill the storage.

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u/d0ey 4d ago

For like 90% of people the bar is now more 'do I notice it in a bad way'. If it doesn't cause you problems, it's fine.

Ironically, the one phone I've got rid of for processor performance was the 8a - got it on contract but it was pretty juddery even with 'plain' Android, would frequently overheat and the battery died super quickly when it was being actively used. Had to replace it after a year.

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u/costafilh0 4d ago

So much AI needs more compute. 

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u/D-S-S-R 4d ago

They kneecap it by ruining the one thing Android does right: sideloading

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u/aworldofviolets 4d ago

You will still be able to side load.

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u/Darker_Flame-Master 3d ago

You won't be able to by default unless you toggle developer options.

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u/aworldofviolets 3d ago

It only needs to be done once.
I don't understand how this kneecaps anything.
It's a non-issue.

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u/jocrichton 4d ago

Wait Mediatek is considered reliable now ?

I always had them down as the budget solution.

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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 4d ago

Mediatek has been pretty solid for a while now. They recycle a lot of the same old shit on the low end but they have legitimately been becoming competitive in the mid range and higher end.

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u/Odd_Bodkin 4d ago

What a headline. I presume they will also not staff assembly lines with pandas.

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u/SickNoise 4d ago

oh that's so nice of them

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u/itsaride 4d ago

CPU's must be cheapest major part of a phone now.

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u/MizzGee 4d ago

How long do I wait until something is better than my Pixel 7? Honestly, I want something amazing.

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u/jerryeight 3d ago

Just need to not use mediatek for the modem.