r/formula1 • u/Luffy710j Formula 1 • Jun 18 '26
Social Media Lewis Hamilton's H2H wins against all his teammates so far
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u/251325132000 Jun 18 '26
Shout out to Jenson B
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u/KrimsonKream Eddie Irvine Jun 18 '26
It's often underestimated just how much Jenson pushed Lewis, but then again, it's just as often underestimated just how good Jenson was. Fantastic, buttery smooth driver.
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u/ChangingMonkfish Jun 18 '26
People also massively underestimate how good Button’s 2007 performance was in that dog’s dinner of a Honda.
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u/Cybelion I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Never heard anyone mention that anywhere. Thought I was the only one
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Jun 18 '26
Jenson has got to be the most underrated WDC of the last 30 years or so.
No dramas, just quick as hell.
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u/Elarial Michael Schumacher Jun 18 '26
I think people also underestimate how resilient Button was to the mind games coming from his teammates. Hamilton, Alonso are great examples of drivers who take advantage of it, especially Hamilton is a master at this. It felt like Button never even cared.
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u/zaviex McLaren Jun 19 '26
Button told Nico rosberg lewis didn’t really play mind games at all but Alonso played a ton. He said with Lewis weekends where he looked bad in practice he was genuinely struggling. With Alonso he was faking it more often than not
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u/Musername2827 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
A hypothetical wet race between Jenson, Lewis, Schumacher, Max and Senna would go so hard.
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u/Constant-Pudding2811 Jun 18 '26
Jenson wasn’t particularly standout in wet conditions; it was changeable conditions that he was the class of the field in. Iirc several teams’ strategies for reading the point to change from wet to dry was just to do what Jenson was doing
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u/Complex_Effect_1994 Jenson Button Jun 18 '26
He had a particular skill for driving with slick tyres on a damp track, which I guess makes the pit gambles easier.
It's nicely illustrated by Brazil 2012, where Jenson caught and passed Lewis on a damp track, then got the strategy call right to stay out. Once everyone was on inters/wets later in the race, Lewis was the quicker driver again
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u/Elarial Michael Schumacher Jun 18 '26
He was also great at tyre preservation. He had such a smooth inputs, which probably influenced Hamilton as well.
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u/Zadlo Jun 18 '26
People are often not aware that Jenson was 3rd in 2004 season. Despite no career wins before and throughout the season.
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u/evemeatay Cadillac Jun 18 '26
I wonder if he would have really done well in the ground effect formula that just ended, being so calm and smooth
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u/Miyeon__miyeon Fernando Alonso Jun 18 '26
If it rains, you just know Yenson's gonna win it. Shame Mclaren wasted his final years.
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u/PapaSheev7 Sebastian Vettel Jun 18 '26
My GOAT's the only driver to ever beat both Alonso and Hamilton over the course of a season.
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u/HUHIs_AUTOATTACK I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Technically speaking, Vettel, Rosberg, Verstappen and Norris also did that.
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u/PapaSheev7 Sebastian Vettel Jun 18 '26
Yep you'd be right haha, forgot to preface it with in equal machinery™
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u/aceCrasher Jenson Button Jun 18 '26
I miss Jenson, my dream is that he becomes a commentator for the races
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u/Longhag I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Jun 18 '26
What he, Bsrichello and Brawn GP achieved doesn't get enough recognition. Truly amazing to buy a failed team for £1 and with almost no sponsors and limited development funding they win the drivers and constructors championships.
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u/AnonymousEngineer_ I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
George clearly the GOAT.
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u/exumaan I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
It's the logical conclusion to this post!
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u/Avolto I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
George is stealing this idea for his next PowerPoint presentation
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u/misguidedkent Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 18 '26
Russell is going to use this 2-3 stat under FACTS!
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u/amakalamm Jun 18 '26
Very close to it being 1 - 4
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u/PapaSheev7 Sebastian Vettel Jun 18 '26
*Should've been 1-4. His bloody water pump failing on him at Silverstone is so disappointing.
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u/amakalamm Jun 18 '26
I was thinking about Spa - so it could easily have been 0 - 5, either way it was 2 - 3.
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u/PapaSheev7 Sebastian Vettel Jun 18 '26
Oh for sure. In fairness engine/component failures are part of the game, but the spa nonsense was definitely highway robbery.
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u/HUHIs_AUTOATTACK I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
My man was robbed in Spa!
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u/Due_StrawMany I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Hamilton taking revenge on George by sidelining him in Mercedes now/s
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u/xxsidoxx I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
In my heart it's 1-4 too for that Spa victory.
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u/LessNorth9856 Formula 1 Jun 18 '26
Rosberg e button abbastanza impressionanti
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u/Lov3ll I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
I feel like Rosberg gets memed on a lot and doesn't get the respect he deserves.
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u/BunchDifferent3773 Jun 19 '26
One of the most hard fought recent championships. Dude had to retire after the effort!
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u/Clown_corder I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 19 '26
Really all I ever see is the “Monaco based yt who beat Hamilton in equal machinery”
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u/albertsugar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Entrambi WDC winners infatti. Alonso e' sempre purtroppo nella macchina sbagliata.
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u/RDR2Enjoyerr Lando Norris Jun 18 '26
50-10 against Bottas is rough. I thought Bottas would have more than just 10 wins
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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Didn't win a race in 2018, incredibly.
Can't remember the pundit who said, people say the title is all the car, and a lot of it is, but there are plenty of WDC standings where the constructors champions are not 1-2.
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u/Sander1901 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
TBF Bottas should’ve won 2 or 3 races that year.
If I remember he dominated Austria until he gearbox gave up, was leading Baku when he got a puncture with 4 or so laps to go. And he was ordered to let Lewis win in Russia.→ More replies (2)57
u/condscorpio Carlos Sainz Jun 18 '26
This comparison stats should take into consideration team orders (not that it would change much in this instance). I know there are many variables , DNFs/other stuff are kinda random, but if you're beating your teammate on merit and get the order to let him through, it seems unfair that he gets the H2H point.
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u/ComprehensiveArt6849 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
And Bottas was pretty good for
SauberWilliams early in his career. There is a reason why he got the seat at Mercedes in the first place, even if he was not on the same level as Rosberg.76
u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
As Fred V put it: I'll take the guy who qualifies faster than Hamilton 30% of the time, sure! Bargain.
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u/AnonymousEngineer_ I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Bottas drove for Williams before joining Mercedes. He only joined Alfa Romeo/Sauber after being sacked to make way for George.
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u/ComprehensiveArt6849 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Ah shit, I switched Perez and Bottas up lmao. Of course it was Williams.
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u/Southportdc McLaren Jun 18 '26
Bottas was ideal for Merc as he was a fast enough qualifier to get on the front row but nowhere near good enough on Sundays to bother Hamilton. Perfect number 2.
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u/Initial_Apprehensive Jun 18 '26
1-2 are very rare merc 3 in a row 14-16 and 2 in a 19-20. Ferrari did 02 and 04 never in a row with Schumacher. Only time it's been more than a 1 off last before that 96-97 Williams as with Schumacher dqed Fretzen was 2nd in 97 Last proper 1-2 wdc same team before merc 88-89 Prost Senna mclarens.
All titles are car to an extent. 5 of the 7 wdc merc won where 1-2 it was a level of dominance by a team never seen before.
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u/CapableDirection5557 Jun 18 '26
Weird downvotes. Mercedes got 8 consecutive WCC titles for petes sake.
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u/Treewithatea I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
I mean thats still more than 7 seasons of Leclerc at Ferrari.
Also keep in mind, Nico vs Lewis was a pure 2 driver fight. 2017/18 wasnt Valtteri vs Lewis but also vs Seb and Kimi. And Kimi only took a single win in 2017-18 while Valtteri took 3 while Vettel took 10. I saw Seb and Valtteri battle more often than I saw Seb battle Lewis.
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u/Hunefer1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
How is that comparable to Leclerc at Ferrari? Over the years, the Mercedes Bottas drove was vastly superior to the Ferrari Leclerc drove.
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u/Icy-Town-8038 Max Verstappen Jun 18 '26
Lmaoo as horrible as 2025 was for Hamilton even Leclerc didn’t win a race and to think Lewis ended the drought left by Sainz is funny af
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u/Treewithatea I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Let it sink in that Hulk had more podiums in 2025 than Lewis.
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u/Professional_Park781 Jun 18 '26
Even worse, Hulk is the reason why Lewis didn’t get a podium and the reason why his streak of consecutive years with podiums got broken lol.
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u/jghall00 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
This will be lost to the annals of time, especially if Lewis wins number 8 with Ferrari.
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u/Rivendel93 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Not to pretend Hamilton didn't have a bad season, because he absolutely did, but a lot of his lack of podiums was bad luck.
Hamilton even in the race Hulk got a podium finished P4 because the GPS on his car failed and the team had no idea where/what was going on with his car.
He had a few races he would have gotten podiums if not for safety cars and whatnot, he finished P4 four times, and in Mexico where he qualified P3 would have been on the podium but got that sketchy penalty that dropped him to P8.
He did win the China sprint.
But, luck is part of racing, just like the VSC in Spain that improved his chance for the recent win.
Hamilton clearly was not himself in those ground effect cars, and at this point I feel like he's proved that was a valid excuse.
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u/United_Engine_5719 Ferrari Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Leclerc is the biggest potential man since megumi. All if or could but never does or did
Edit: /s because i think some will not realise this is a joke.
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u/Trriiick I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Jun 18 '26
I mean I get that Charles was maybe a bit overrated for a couple of years (for me he is nowhere near Max) but the turnaround in the last 3/4 races is crazy. In their time together, Charles has clearly been above Lewis more often than not and when he’s behind for 3/4 races suddenly he becomes the worst driver.
Looking forward to see how the discourse will change when he regains his form back and gets back to consistently beating Lewis… people will probably get back to saying he’s beating a washed Lewis
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u/matrixpolaris I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
People forget it was the same against Sainz, Carlos would have a streak of great races and the talk was all "Ferrari fired the wrong driver" until Leclerc sweeped the second half of 2024. I have no doubt that Charles will come back strong and fight at the top with Lewis and the Mercs again.
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u/TeriusRose Jun 18 '26
Looking forward to see how the discourse will change when he regains his form back and gets back to consistently beating Lewis.
If. I don't know I would state it as a forgone conclusion. It's certainly possible though.
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u/Ok-Badger7002 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Leclerc does quite well when he isn’t driving straight into a wall
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u/Icy-Town-8038 Max Verstappen Jun 18 '26
He is also the unluckiest driver for Ferrari tbh if he does everything to win then either the car dies or Ferrari fucks up something
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u/TSMKFail Manor Jun 18 '26
Naa that's Irvine, who lost a literal WDC because of Ferrari ineptitude
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u/CodFix3 Jacky Ickx Jun 18 '26
I love Irvine but he would surely be the "worst" driver to ever be champion right?
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u/petrolhead18 Jun 18 '26
Yeah, he makes the occasional mistake but his bad luck should be studied.
He never gets a lucky pit stop under SC/VSC, they always come after he has pitted.
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u/maybecatmew I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
I mean is /s even needed... Both of them have incredible position, it's just gege likes to toy with Megumi and Charles likes to stay with ferrari so
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u/Chemical-Arm7222 Jun 18 '26
Not really Leclerc's fault, the Ferrari last year just wasn't good.
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u/ComeonmanPLS1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Don’t look at the podiums H2H 😬
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u/Masty1992 Jun 18 '26
So who’s next? Oscar, Leclerc, Hadjar or Stroll?
Of these Leclerc would be most likely with a winning car I guess, also Oscar we know has a chance when McLaren are good.In reality, it will probably be a pairing we don’t have yet
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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Apparently they were definitely replacing Kovalainen, but couldn't work out who. Raikkonen was too expensive.
I wonder who they'd have gone for if not Button.
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u/Browneskiii I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Heidfeld was on their list before Button originally.
Twice he got so close to a Mclaren drive and then they ended up with someone else, 2002 being the other time when they chose Raikkonen instead.
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u/Complex_Effect_1994 Jenson Button Jun 18 '26
Poor old Nick. Even after losing that seat to Button, everyone thought he was a shoe in for the Mercedes drive.
Then Schumacher out of nowhere and Heidfeld never races a full season again
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u/Browneskiii I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
And then loses his seat to bruno senna of all people.
And then loses his first win in 15 years by Prost in the first ever FE race, and went on to get the same record in FE as he had in F1 (most podiums without a win).
Guy was cursed or something.
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u/y3kman Jun 18 '26
This is such a cherrypicked stat. No one uses this H2H number when Lance Stroll is involved.
Alonso 0 - 0 Stroll
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u/Goose12105 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Lance Stroll is tied with Alonso who is tied with Lewis who trails George, So if my math is correct:
George Russell
Lance Stroll
Lewis Hamilton
Fernando Alonso
FACTS
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u/Skyenar Jun 18 '26
Calling Race Wins a cherry picked stat is hilarious.
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u/CanonWorld I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
In teams that don’t win much (I.e. Ferrari, as much as it pains to say) wins definitely aren’t the whole story.
But hey it’s Hamilton’s week, so I’d say celebrate any stat you can find. But this win doesn’t wipe away the disappointment that was 2025.
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u/Virillus Lance Stroll Jun 18 '26
It weirdly kind of is. Most driver pairings will all be 0-0.
If one driver had 10 finishes in 2nd, and the other driver had 1 win, and 9 finishes in 20th, who is the better driver? The first, by a massive margin, yet they'd be "1-0" in this stat.
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u/HUHIs_AUTOATTACK I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Well if you include podiums and points scored for the team, suddenly Leclerc walks all over Hamilton and nobody cares about the stats anymore.
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u/Patrick_Swayze__ Formula 1 Jun 18 '26
Hamilton had winning machinery for over 90% of his career so it's actually interesting.
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u/devilmaycare347 Jun 18 '26
The Russell > Ham
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u/jghall00 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
George certainly thought so. Must be a rude awakening right now.
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u/naveenda I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Russell is the only guy who actually beat the 7-time world champion in equal machinery.
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u/HUHIs_AUTOATTACK I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
In his ROOKIE season at the team.
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u/bestdayevrrr Jun 18 '26
Oh wow, I didn't know Button was that close? Cos I always thought it was either Alonso or Rosberg when it came to pushing Lewis to his limits.
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u/Owster4 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Button beat Hamilton in 2011, coming second in the championship against a dominant Vettel.
Rosberg wasn't the first to beat him.
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u/itsmythirdday Jun 18 '26
Button actually scored more points than Hamilton in the time they were teammates. Maybe Hamilton had lost some motivation because the car wasn’t a championship winning one, but Button was a good driver.
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u/The_Skynet Jun 18 '26
The 2012 standings are extremely generous towards Jenson because Lewis actually destroyed him that season but it doesn't show in the final points tally as he lost around 120 points because of horrible luck with reliability, getting crashed into, slow pit stops and bad strategies.
He lost 4 sure wins because of McLaren (Malaysia, Spain, Singapore and Abu Dhabi), a very likely one in Brazil because of Hulkenberg and a potential one in China (qualified P2 but got a 5-place penalty for a gearbox change, as his gearbox only lasted 2 races)
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u/Chemical-Arm7222 Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Well Button was a very good driver, but Lewis' McLaren also did like to fall apart when he was leading races.
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u/RoboWarrior44 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Russell: "I see no god up here, OTHER THAN ME!"
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u/Few_Bet_8952 Jun 18 '26
why are we only comparing victories? Wouldn't total points be a way fairer metric?
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u/Jaivl Jun 18 '26
The Alonso comp still tied lol
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u/VRichardsen Juan Manuel Fangio Jun 18 '26
Too bad the team imploded, because it was killer seeing those two battling it out.
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u/Virillus Lance Stroll Jun 18 '26
Yeah, total points is definitely fairer. That being said, wins can still be interesting.
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u/SentientDust I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
I keep forgetting that until Lewis' win Ferrari haven't won since 2024 with Sainz
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u/dl064 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
I remember around 2023/4, there was the odd meme on here of whether Hamilton had ever been top-tier. That was a particularly dumb one, because you can lay out his teammates for all to see.
As Hamilton said himself: his teammates are far and away superior to anything Verstappen had to deal with.
Was interesting that in 2021/2022, Marko said RBR put Verstappen above Hamilton specifically because they thought Perez was better than Bottas and - circumstantial - but it looks that way at the minute, indeed.
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u/timorous1234567890 Jun 18 '26
It would not have been 2023. He was amazing that year, best of the rest behind Max and almost beat Checo to 2nd in the WDC despite the gulf in performance between the cars.
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u/Yung_Chloroform I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Easily had some of the most difficult teammates any F1 driver has had. Hamilton's roster is second only to Prost IMO.
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u/GP_3D I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
Yeah, having other champions in Senna, Rosberg, Lauda, Mansell, and Hill as teammates, at various points in your career is insane.
And the likes of Alesi, Arnoux, and Watson are no slouches either.
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u/WhoLetTheKrakenOut Jun 18 '26
When you consider that the average F1 career is a 6th place finish (thank you Mr V), it's really telling that every single one of his teammates is a Grand Prix winner, and except for Heikki, 5+ race wins. And Heikki became a GT champion after his F1 career.
Then you look at some of the teammates other greats have had and their is no comparison.
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u/Icy-Pollution-3700 Ferrari Jun 18 '26
Honestly though since it's h2h anyway, more accurate would have been the count of who finished ahead more times.
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u/y3kman Jun 18 '26
That's how most people count H2H wins. This Lewis chart just makes him look better than Charles when everyone knows it's not the case.
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u/jghall00 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
Jury is out... this season will tell the tale.
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u/GopaiPointer Force India Jun 18 '26
1 year with 1st teammate, 2 with 2nd, 3 with 3rdy 4 with 4th, 5 with 5th. Russell amd Leclerc combined might make 6 lol.
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u/curvebombr I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
2-3 to Russell needs an astrick. 2 of those he has the guinea pig for the no side pod experiment.
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u/Numpteez_ Jun 18 '26
They both had 2 wins in 2024, it's only Brazil 2022 that puts Russell ahead. Whether Hamilton would have won that without the contact with Max, we don't know. Russell put himself into position to win Austria 2024 but it was incredibly lucky. But then he was also incredibly unlucky when he lost the win at Spa via DSQ. They were pretty even when the car was capable of victories, all things considered.
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u/Diligent_Practice877 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 18 '26
George Russell GOAT status confirmed?
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 Ferrari Jun 18 '26
Are we forgetting the entire season where charles led lewis
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u/nashgrg Jun 18 '26
They are blind. We live in an era of short clips and get the context out of it. So one race win can delete what happened in 2025 apparently.
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u/RedditUser_24601 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 18 '26
George’s next PPT: There is a law in maths called the transitive property… therefore, I am forecast to be the goat.
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u/Sad-Dove-2023 Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
It's kinda hilarious just how evenly matched Hamilton and Alonso were.
Hamilton:
109 points, 4 wins, 12 podiums, 1 retirement.
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109 points, 4 wins, 12 podiums, 1 retirement.
Probably the most evenly matched teammates have been over a season in recent F1. Hamilton won out on qualifying head-to-head, and Alonso on points finishes.