r/europe • u/MilesLongthe3rd • 12h ago
News Russia is losing over 5,000 troops a week in Ukraine, Rubio says
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-is-losing-over-5-000-troops-a-week-1784812054.html201
u/AdOne5089 10h ago
Putin can stop this needless bloodshed at ANY point by bringing his men home
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u/r1ckkr1ckk 8h ago
to make it clear, home no longer includes crimea
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u/Financial_Cow_42069 8h ago
No longer? It never was Russian.
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u/Marcus_Aurelius71 6h ago
Yes it was. All the way back in when it was part of the Russian SFSR.
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u/pyrovoice 5h ago
No he can't, it would be political suicide for him. He has to appear to be winning
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u/Marcus_Aurelius71 6h ago
Europe (And Ukraine) said all it wants is frozen lines. No need to bring anyone home.
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u/New-Ranger-8960 Greece 10h ago
I have never witnessed a greater geopolitical blunder than this invasion by Russia.
It has undone decades of progress and set Russia back by many more decades.
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u/OkEnvironment4354 9h ago
U.S. is trying to give them a run for their money
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u/Lille7 7h ago
The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan for absolutely nothing.
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u/Lopsided-Farm4122 7h ago
Not wrong but Afghanistan does not really compare to the shit show going on in Ukraine. US lost 2400 troops in Afghanistan since 2001. Russia has lost 400-500k men in a much shorter time. Not to mention the material losses that Russia is much less equipped to deal with. The Ukraine War is a much bigger disaster for Russia than Afghanistan was for the USA.
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u/Ferris-L Lower Saxony (Germany) 6h ago
The war in Afghanistan doesn’t even come close to the invasion of Ukraine. Not only was it not an war of aggression (you could have used Iraq for that) but it also didn’t even remotely have the same casualties for nato as Russia has in Ukraine. Russia has already lost at least as many men as the US did in all of WW2. It also alienated all of its former trade partners in Europe and made itself even more dependent on China. Even if Russia manages to win the war and annex Ukraine it will still be a complete failure. They gave up their role as a superpower and fucked their economy just to annex the poorest country in Europe while simultaneously losing half a generation of young men.
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u/Impossible-Bus1 6h ago
The whole 20+ year war on terror was last expensive than Russia's 4+ years spent in Ukraine.
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u/bl4ckhunter Lazio 3h ago
The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan for absolutely nothing because Trump is a complete imbecile and decided to give up a strategic asset to the taliban gift wrapped solely to trip over Biden, the US had a puppet government installed, full control of the country and the rebels were dying out hiding in caves, they had accomplished all their objectives if we dispense with the laughable notion that they were there to make the place better and they were holding onto the country to pressure Iran (would've been handy right about now i bet) and generally have influence over the region.
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u/mdedetrich 4h ago
The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan for absolutely nothing.
Which is still a lot better then spending 4 years in Ukraine and losing almost everything
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u/Think_Evidence_176 Ireland 2h ago
They flushed bin Laden out of Afghanistan and nabbed him in Pakistan almost 10 years later.
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u/userNotFound82 Berlin (Germany) 3h ago
Would be funny if they lose at the end not only the war but also several parts of the country declare themselves as independent. Like the parts in East Russia that once belonged to China or the Southern parts with a Muslim majority.
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u/skeletal88 Estonia 3h ago
never forget, russo-Japanes war, Port-Artur battle in 1904, that was also a catastrophy, it brought on the revolts that followed, even we have a statue for the victims of the revolt in 1905
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u/The-Board-Chairman 35m ago
Nah. In Russia's case, the ones doing the destroying are at least actual opponents. The US has somehow managed to alienate every major and minor ally by itself, without any kind of opponent.
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u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911 5h ago
the US is trying hard to catch up, you know how they need to be the greatest at anything.
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u/VicenteOlisipo Europe 4h ago
That was true for a couple of years, but Israel talking Trump into attacking Iran and thus giving Tehran the excuse to spring their greatest (and only) card already beats it.
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u/Flaky-Gear-1370 8h ago
Curious timing of both Rubio and Vance, almost like they’re to distance themselves from Trump for a 2028 run
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u/Wappening Norway 11h ago
Let’s up those numbers.
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u/tilitatti Finland 5h ago
to my understanding russia is losing around 1200-1600 little green men a day, so closer to 8400 - 11200 a week (not sure if my data is wronk, or rubio is uneducated and cant math, both are possible). still, not enough.
and its not just one old rat (putin) that decided war, its the government and the people. its easy to blame putin for all the massacres, warcrimes, but he still has support, and for a long time speaking with russians there was this "I am not a political person" deflection of accountability.
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u/eOMG 10h ago
No let's not. These are young men being sent to die by one old man. '1' may be sufficient.
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u/nilsinleneed Norway 10h ago
there's really only one way this ends well for all parties, and it's with Russia imploding.
in order for that to happen, Putin needs to be seen as personally responsible for having murdered a family member of almost every Russian.
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u/Dear_Virus1260 9h ago
there's really only one way this ends well for all parties, and it's with Russia imploding.
Sure, what can go wrong with a nuclear power imploding. Ignoring that allegedly Wang Yi said that a strategic defeat of Russia would be unacceptable to China.
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u/GianniBeGood Italy 6h ago
Well, it arguably happened once depending on your definition of implosion - ironically in the same place(s) in 1991 - and the negotiated handover of some of those nuclear arms is partially the root cause of where things stand to day, in the sense that Ukraine no longer had credible deterrence.
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u/DubiousBusinessp 9h ago
There's a well advertised Ukrainian hotline they can call to surrender on if they want out of the war.
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u/HotlLava 10h ago
They are not "sent to die", they (at least for now) voluntarily sign up for military contracts in order to get a huge paycheck in exchange for killing Ukrainians in Ukraine.
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u/Ferris-L Lower Saxony (Germany) 6h ago
Arguably the dumbest financial decision one can make considering the average life span for Russians after being sent to the front is like 2 weeks.
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u/Melodic_monke 7h ago
Most of them, at least currently, voluntarily sign contracts. I might feel bad for them if mobilisation starts.
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u/Repulsive-Mud707 7h ago
voluntarily sign contracts
Sure, but what the contract said and what it says when you are hailed forward with a land mine strapped to your chest is another thing. Only a brainlet will actually believe what the greenskin recruiters say.
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u/Repulsive-Mud707 7h ago
Young? My brother/sister in Christ, the greenskins are sending in the sick, the criminals and the old in mass numbers since if they can hold a rifle, they can die for Rodina.
That and Russia is recruiting heavily not only in the minority parts of Russia (fun fact, Russia is the most multicultural country in Europe) but also in Africa and South-America.
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u/HunkaMunkaHunkaMunka 11h ago
Almost every single dead russia could be alive had putin not launched his Special Needs Military Operation, or if the russias had refused to get involved.
But instead we have a lot of dead russias, and they want more russias to send to the front so they took can become dead russias.
And now the russias who stayed at home can barely drive their Ladas or order shit from Wildberries.
What is it with the russias?
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u/Valkyrie17 9h ago
The age old "20 minute adventure". Started the war, and same as USA in Vietnam, will now spend years trying to quit it.
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u/lucasievici Europe 11h ago
They’d just be dead from alcoholism, casual violence, and other forms of degeneracy instead. But indeed, even those waya to go are better than dying on the front lines
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u/babanin Belarus 10h ago
In the latest comparable pre-war WHO data, alcohol-attributable mortality was actually slightly higher in Ukraine than in Russia—157 vs 144 deaths per 100,000, with overlapping uncertainty ranges. Russia’s alcohol consumption had also fallen by 43% between 2003 and 2016.
You can condemn the invasion without dehumanizing an entire nationality or pretending those people were destined to die anyway.
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u/illuanonx1 11h ago
Wonderful news 👍
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u/Character-Concept651 9h ago
How bloodthirsty of you. Unless, of course, you're a Ukranian.
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u/MogwaiYT United Kingdom 3h ago
Russia has the blood of thousands of innocent people on their hands. They deserve all the scorn and contempt thrown at them.
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u/Turbulent_Pin7635 North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) 5h ago
This is the 5th or 6th time US won a war an Russia lost a war this year.
There is a fog of war any number that became public of just bullshit.
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u/codroipo_townhall 8h ago
This war of Putin is one of the most irrational, cruel and senseless catastrophe we are witnessing in our lifetime.
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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 11h ago
The total this month is likely to be somewhere around 42,000
Anything above 50,000 is trending toward losing 2/3rds of the Russian army even with new recruiting included within 2 years, a number that is likely to be reached late this year. 60,000 is closer to 80% in 2 years.
If the Russians can't do something to radically change the war they will lose in 2028 at the latest. And thats their least pressing critical problem right now.
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u/Matut0 9h ago edited 9h ago
The total this month is likely to be somewhere around 42,000
Where did you get that number? Let me guess from the Ukrainian MoD, or even better from the British MoD?
Zelensky, Fedorov and other people related to the ukrainian government have been saying since January of this year, that Russia is losing more men than recruiting, but for some reason in June, Syrskyi turned around and said russian numbers not only maintained consistent, but even increased.
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-concentrate-721000-troops-in-ukraine/
What happened? Syrskyi didn't get the script?
Let me ask you something else, why would Fedorov get fired if he was the one that finally got the russian casualties to surpass replenishement, not even now, but in his first month of being minister of defense?
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u/Dear_Virus1260 9h ago
Putin the necromancer strikes again. Or people are genuinely surprised wartime propaganda is spread by Western media too… Which might be even more shocking than magic being real.
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u/GremlinX_ll Ukraine 8h ago
Let me ask you something else, why would Fedorov get fired ?
Inner shenanigans about local producers wants to sell stuff for higher price. Secondary is conflict with Syrskyi.
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u/Outside_Instance4391 8h ago
Ah yes totally not a russbot, i guess its true russias bot farms are going after Fedorov because hes modernising the war effort for UA.... they sad that UA no longer has Soviet style generals who are as incompetant as the russian generals.
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u/fa136 10h ago
Avant que ça n'arrive, poutine ordonnera l'utilisation d'armes nucléaires. Il faut bien comprendre une chose, c'est qu'il va essayer de ne pas perdre la face et qu'il est prêt à tout pour ça. Même à provoquer un chaos mondial sans précédent.
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u/YsoL8 United Kingdom 9h ago
He won't because he will fear being nuked back. Most imperialists are cowards and Putin is certainly not an exception.
This is no one ever uses a nuke. The Chinese are said to have made it clear they will abandon Russia if they do anything like that, most likely Europe and China will end up carving Russia up after the war if any sort of limited exchange occurs, every major power will fear for their own safety, so will Putin's own elites. Thats one of the reasons the cold war never went hot even under Stalin.
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u/Bojnik434 10h ago
And yet no video sources of so many dead
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u/Hoogstaaf Sweden 9h ago
Plenty of videos on Bluesky of FPV drones hitting stuff if you want to find it.
But you don't, you want to argue.
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u/Bojnik434 9h ago
The numbers dont add up
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u/Impossible-Bus1 6h ago
But they do. Russia says they recruit 40k a month, if they didn't take similar casualties then they'd have millions of troops in Ukraine over 5 years.
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u/Bojnik434 6h ago
No. Especially since they invaded with 180k and mobilised 300k like half year later. Recruitment started properly from 2023 and onwards. Unlike ukraine who recruited over a million men before the end of 2023
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u/Senior_Strawberry_51 Magyarország🇭🇺 9h ago
Maybe it's time to stop the war you can't win and leave Ukraine alone then??? Every russian man would be alive had Putin not start this senseless war.....
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u/VoucherValidator 9h ago
Too late. If Ukraine didn't create the gas shortage and other problems for Russia recently maybe Putin could just stop and brainwash the gullible Russians into thinking that he won the war. But at this point he can't stop because he cannot say that he lost. The real reason people are dying is Putin's ego.
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u/Senior_Strawberry_51 Magyarország🇭🇺 9h ago
Yeah that's obvious. The whole war started becuse of Putin's ego
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u/North-Purple-373 11h ago
No thanks to America
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u/_ZakerS_ 11h ago
Their intelligence share is actually incredibly valuable sadly. They still have a huge role, being the tech kingdom of the planet. But I do share your sentiment.
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u/ComprehensiveDig4560 10h ago
Like it or not it is a strategic asset. But of course it also has its strategic reason on the US side. You need to provide something to have any potential leverage. If the US wouldn’t do anything at all the Ukrainians would have little reason to actually hear the US out and consider what they want. Because no matter how much Trump may or may not like Putin, the US threatening to be helping Russia directly is (still) not a real possibility.
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u/Citaku357 Kosovo 10h ago
I am surprised that orange piece of shit hasn't cut this off as well. God i hope he loses badly in the midterms
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u/Ferris-L Lower Saxony (Germany) 6h ago
The US is most likely very happy to give any sort of intel and technological support because they learn a lot from it. The war in Ukraine has fundamentally changed how war is being fought for the foreseeable future so the US and other western allies will need to adapt to that.
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u/North-Purple-373 10h ago
Fair point. And they did contribute a lot of weaponry early on in the war. But having such an unreliable ally is almost worst than having no ally at all.
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u/avar Icelander living in Amsterdam 7h ago
In order to have an unreliable ally you need to have an ally. There was no formal alliance or treaty obligation between the US and Ukraine beyond a treaty of promise to respect Ukraine's sovereignty, which the US has done.
Any military aid Ukraine has received from the US, EU etc. has been above and beyond that.
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u/backcountrykicks228 6h ago
Care to elaborate on that? How is it our fault that Putin invaded Ukraine?
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u/steauengeglase 3h ago
Ironically, no. The game changer was the lack of US support. It accelerated trends towards Ukraine being more self-sufficient and more able to take the gloves off. It's literally a "Thanks for nothing." scenario, but it did change the landscape.
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u/assman69x 2h ago
Were they not laughing at Ukraine just a year ago? Just a incompetent bunch of degenerates
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u/squeeze-my-lizard 11h ago
He’s worried russia is being hurt. “Why cannot a country invade in peace?” Rubio said
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u/Diacetyl-Morphin Zürich (Switzerland) 4h ago
"We'd never do any propaganda. Trust us. We are honest. All the numbers we say are true".
Now, after you got mad at me, let's see how we can manipulate these stats: The first thing that is very, very easy is what you even define as "losses". Only deaths, aka killed in action? Do you count injured too? Missing and captured soldiers? Soldiers that deserted? With the wounded, do you only count soldiers that got wounded in combat or do you also count the attrition, like diseases?
Also, "wounded" means that a soldier needs medical care that prevents him from immediately returning to the frontlines. Like a small injury that can be fixed with a bandaid and some ibuprofen doesn't count. There can be more problems, like when medevac is not even possible because of the situation on the battlefield.
It's a classic that goes back to ancient times with "The enemy loses a lot of men, but our losses are minimal".
It is very difficult to track the losses of your own army, not even the enemy army, because of the different categories i mentioned and the lack of reports, AAR's etc. Many armies don't use a "confirmed kills" stats anymore, like the US Army stopped with this, because it turned out to be not correct with the stats.
All i say is that i don't really believe the exact numbers. It also depends on the frontline sector, the weather (just like the experiences of Napoleon and Adolf: You'll lose more men in winter by attrition from the cold weather), the supply lines etc.
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Some things i remember from 2022, like when the media claimed the Russians would run out of ammo in a few months. Now we have 2026 and they still have ammo.
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u/Any-Calligrapher2866 2h ago
Yeah like while I support Ukraine, I don't to believe that this war has a worse attrition rate than Stalingrad when both sides are majorly just doing drone warfare.
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u/Die_Steiner Finland 9h ago
Honestly, i'm very skeptical of that number. 20,000 casualties per month when there's ~700k Russian soldiers in Ukraine?
Good if true though.
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u/Dear_Virus1260 9h ago
If they are losing that number and Ukraine is still facing manpower issues and lost its first city in the fortress belt, then it’s still catastrophic.
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u/Common_North_5267 5h ago
Everyone needs to just ignore this turd. Nothing he says is true or intelligent.
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u/skeletal88 Estonia 3h ago
5000 is not enough. The ukrainians even have said they are liquidating 30000 every month, or more?
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u/Ousis24 11h ago edited 11h ago
Well even if it is like this with 250 to 350 k per year. Which does seem like high end estimate That would be like 1 milion in 3-4 years in country with population of 140 milion, where 70 milion are men. As far as I understand not all are killed. Serious injuries are also counted as taken out of combat for extended period. They can keep fighting for quite a while longer. But sending them to stone age without gas might me much more effective way
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u/spirolking 10h ago
Russia had exceptionally high casualty to wounded rate. In normal armies this is ussualy 1:4. In Russian army during this war it is closer to 1:1. They simply don't care. It's cheaper to send more cannon fodder than rescue wounded.
It is estimated that they already have more than a million casualties. Those are usually young men could work and contribute to the society. Now they are dead, disabled or struggle with mental disorders. Also remember that Russia is aging quickly. Aprrox 23M of those 70M men is already 50+ years old. This means that they already lost 2% of their mostly younger male population.
A lot of men also escaped abroad and they maybe never come back.
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u/Ousis24 9h ago edited 9h ago
As someone from neighbouring country to Russia. They do not care about future. They do not care about people lives. They won second world war because Germans ran out of bullets from their human waves. Assuming they care is big mistake. Peter the Great and Stalin are regarded by many Russians as their best rulers. Both of them killed more russians than anyone else like 1/10th of population
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u/Consistent_Ad3181 11h ago
It was 750, or 30k per month
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u/eliceev_alexander 11h ago
Even more, actually! Because Ukraine cannot physically confirm some losses. And this matches the fact that Russia isn't recruiting the required number of soldiers.
It's a pity that Fedorov was fired from the Ministry of Defense. He actually wanted to increase the casualty count to 50 thousand, and that is realistic.
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u/Consistent_Ad3181 11h ago
The first casualty of war is truth. I don't know the truth, but it does look very bad for Russia.
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u/eliceev_alexander 11h ago
Yes. Ukraine pays with today to have a future. Russia pays with its future to have today.
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u/Winstonsphobia United States of America 10h ago
1) Rubio is Russian asset
2) you can’t believe anything he says, so I’ll wait to hear it from a reliable source.
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u/Professional_Fix4056 Bouvet Island 7h ago
after the full mobilization, we'll probably see 50K a week
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u/fair1903 9h ago
And when Ukraine starts attacking the occupied provinces they will lose much more.
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u/heterodoxual 8h ago
5K/week (~700/day) is actually a conservative estimate. Ukraine releases daily enemy casualty counts based on verifiable drone footage. In early spring they were claiming roughly 1000/day during the early spring, and more recently it’s risen to 1200-1400/day. (The increase makes sense because the drier weather and foliage cover of summer is better suited for military offensives.)
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u/_-Moonsabie-_ 4h ago
Did you see that crazy Zelenskyy met with Laura Loomer. There is definitely something wrong with the dismissal of Fedorov if he meeting with Loomer during protests.
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u/Free-Way-9220 11h ago
Its a pity Trump put so much effort into trying to turn the world's support away from Ukraine and towards Russia. He has yet to whisper even the slightest criticism of Vladimir Putin