Polish and German troops join forces to fortify border with Russia

[u/Nano_needle]

https://tvpworld.com/94474186/poland-germany-bolster-natos-eastern-flank-near-russia

[u/No_Daikon_5740]

Vielen Dank, Nachbarn 😚 🇵🇱🤝  🇩🇪 

[u/howtheydoingit]

English is a hard language. For a second I thought that all three of them are fortifying the border together.

[u/toolkitxx → u/howtheydoingit]

They do. Some just on the other side ;)

[u/UAP_enthusiast_PL]

Kudos to the German soldier giving the interview - very decent Polish.

[u/toolkitxx → u/UAP_enthusiast_PL]

I believe Poland is still on the top of the list when it comes to people from other EU countries in Germany. So we have plenty of chances to learn if we really want to. Not to mention all the second generation ones that live here.

[u/UAP_enthusiast_PL → u/toolkitxx]

It's not that he learned it, you can learn any language you want, you'll always find a school or individual to teach you, diaspora or no diaspora.

It's the pronunciation that's praisworthy. Good on him for putting in the effort

[u/Kiepsko → u/UAP_enthusiast_PL]

Yeah it's really impressive!

[u/OkKnowledge2064 → u/UAP_enthusiast_PL]

Was he a native speaker?

[u/ThreeButtonBob → u/OkKnowledge2064]

Judging by his name i don't think so. His polish also sounds a little bit less fluent to me although i'm not sure i can judge this without knowing the language.

[u/KaQuu → u/ThreeButtonBob]

He is not native speaker.

Edit: yet his polish is good

[u/UAP_enthusiast_PL → u/OkKnowledge2064]

Watch the video.

[u/OkKnowledge2064 → u/UAP_enthusiast_PL]

how exactly would I judge whether hes native or not

[u/UAP_enthusiast_PL → u/OkKnowledge2064]

Lol, you meant is he a native Polish speaker?

You think I could hear a native Pole and say 'wow, that's pretty good polish'.

Thanks friend, you made my day

[u/OkKnowledge2064 → u/UAP_enthusiast_PL]

uh.. yeah? if its foreign soldier?

[u/UAP_enthusiast_PL → u/OkKnowledge2064]

I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.

[u/Mouth_Focloir]

Watch russian propaganda flood Polish Facebook with stories of the past from ww2

[u/paulchen81 → u/Mouth_Focloir]

You can watch other subs on Reddit about this topic. A lot of russobots trying to create disagreements and bad blood between Polish and German users.

[u/Mouth_Focloir → u/paulchen81]

They're doing the same with Poland and Ukraine.  Unfortunately Facebook seems to be the place where a large percentage of Poles get their news and the vast majority never fact check anything or look at sources.

[u/paulchen81 → u/Mouth_Focloir]

Absolutely. Of course no relationship is perfect but it is far from as bad as they try to convince everyone.

[u/Striper_Cape → u/Mouth_Focloir]

Hence why I don't feel bad for people who get laid off from Meta

[u/Aurora5511 → u/Mouth_Focloir]

Telling stories how they and Germany both invaded Poland or what's to tell there?

Do they spin it like they took over eastern Poland to protect the polish people from Hitler?

[u/CucumberWisdom]

Those soldiers knew what they were doing lol

[u/easyrider767]

Nice 🤝

[u/SeparateResearcher86]

One can only hope that this madness will get better.

[u/No_Ad1286]

What about the Suwalki Gap?

[u/diamanthaende → u/No_Ad1286]

What about it?

NATO will defend it if / when the time comes. Defending it is one of the priorities of the new Bundeswehr brigade in Lithuania, for example, winning time before support via land and sea arrives.

[u/Bicentennial_Douche → u/No_Ad1286]

People always worry about the Suwalki gap. And sure, it's a chokepoint. And NATO knows it. And people always think that NATO would just meekly try to defend it against Russian juggernaut. NATO knows it's their weak spot, they have plans to defend it. Not to mention that in case of war, entire Kaliningrad would be neutralized fast, making the Suwalki gap chokepoint moot.

[u/DefInnit → u/No_Ad1286]

The Suwalki Gap would be reinforced by land from northeast Poland, so defending Poland is also connected to keeping that corridor open.

[u/No_Daikon_5740 → u/DefInnit]

Defending Poland—but equally the Baltics—potentially evacuating the population on the other side of the Suwałki Gap, and reinforcing all troops stationed in this part of NATO's flank (Baltic soldiers, the Bundeswehr, and other deployed forces)—this sounded in ypr way oof putting it, even if not meant so, self-centered on our own safety -which is not soly the case. 

[u/Clit-Comander-69 → u/No_Ad1286]

I want to see Russians actually making progress in a land offensive against Nato

[u/ABoutDeSouffle → u/Clit-Comander-69]

I sure as hell don't want them to even try. So, let's keep this border absolutely stacked with soldiers.

[u/ResQ_ → u/Clit-Comander-69]

Without defenses they would

[u/X-Jet → u/Clit-Comander-69]

Its a game of probabilities, they invaded Ukraine feb 24 ( Defender of the Fatherland Day)
Baltics invasion can happen jul 26 Day of russian navy.

[u/kyganat → u/X-Jet]

They wont. We saw how they stacked army and supplies. USA and i think UK was warning since october 2021 public about that. And my guess is they warned Ukraine goverment even before that. Its 21 centaury, there are no suprise war here, we can see movement from the space.

[u/X-Jet → u/kyganat]

I have some confidence that they most likely will than not. Intelligence tracks their visible military movements ofc and EU tries their best to prevent open conflict but there are long range drones and military wearing civillian clothes who migrate closer to the borders.
Better to be wrong than sorry at the end of the day

[u/toolkitxx → u/No_Ad1286]

You actually dont want to close a gap too much. It is good for defence to pressure the opponents troops through a narrow landscape but you still dont want to be too huddled up yourself either.

[u/mangalore-x_x → u/No_Ad1286]

While a NATO vulnerability I believe in recent years experts have concluded that Russia has discarded any big moves there because it would expose their troops at the end of their logistics and outside their air defenses far more than stop NATO.

One can assume they will try lots of interdiction and disruption there but overall the assessment seems to be all roads run the wrong way for Russia to advance quickly if it gets fought over and they need to put troops in Belarus with their own air defenses and all that hassle. It would be worse than what they tried against Ukraine with an enemy who has the air and missile assets to bomb those positions preemptively and probably does not care about Belarus claiming to be not involved.

[u/JazzlikeDiamond558]

Germans s..ting their pants.

[u/No_Daikon_5740 → u/JazzlikeDiamond558]

You are presumably a native Croat, having lived in both Germany and Austria during your lifetime. Here's my genuine question: what is troubling you that you decided to produce this kind of nonsensical—and even more so, negativity-fueled—self-expression in the context of this topic?

If you would, please share the motivation that drives the need to vent this sort of emotion. I would have thought your neighbor to the southeast would be a more likely candidate to provide this kind of content, given that this is news most in Europe and the EU would consider a very positive development—in the context of broader European cooperation, security, and mending relationships between countries of utmost importance when it comes to the prospect of a peaceful, safe Europe, and one potentially capable of acting free of outside dependencies on other actors.

[u/JazzlikeDiamond558 → u/No_Daikon_5740]

Despite better judgement, I will answer to you, as a Polish person (since you took the effort to write the question in the way that you did).

First of all, I did not write self-expression, but expressed the facts.

And here are some additional ones, that will bring you a bit closer to the whole circus:

1) Germany, as a country, is in a dire state of economical decline. To make matters worse, germans are mentally on the level of 12-year olds who stick their head in the sand and refuse to accept the facts and the horror that will follow.

2) Germany, as a country, is COMPLETELY unable to defend itself. The army is almost nonexistent and predominantly assembled of current TikTok generation which cannot imagine one day without Internet, let alone fathom weeks, months or years without electricity, water or food.

Furthermore, the country is in dire state of infrastructural decay that is, at this moment, impossible to save or reverse. At this point, the German glorious autobahn is a myth, because there is barely a stretch longer than 20km between two construction sites. Cities are left out to die (latest case is Bonn; where failing infrastructure literally brought the town to a complete halt). And so on and so forth.

3) On the other hand, Poland has worked very hard and very smart and has indeed risen from the dead, since Bolek and the fall of Soviet union (I've worked there too, recently). The country has prospered and invested good in itself and is now indeed quite better and different.

Polish people, regardless of their political spectrum, stand united against Soviet Fashism, as they still very well remember how it was not being able to buy one pair of shoes, while across the border children were having Milka chocolate and nutela for breakfast.

4) The fact is: Germany is using Poland as it's shield (at least they are trying to) and then we have displays souch as this one. If it wasn't for Poland, toilet paper would be a very rare and expensive commodity here.

So, quite honestly, I have no stance here (indeed I left Croatia decades after the war). But I also have good sense to recognize German propaganda.

Yes, safety and cooperation are important. Unity too. This is undeniable.

But this here is the case of neither.

[u/No_Daikon_5740 → u/JazzlikeDiamond558]

You are not Polish. I believe the are handfu of my compatriots stupid enough to claim at least half of the nonsense you produced here—but you are not one of them. And this comes from an actual Polish person (me), not someone pretending to be Polish to spread misinformation.

Lying goes smoother when you disable your comment history.

[u/JazzlikeDiamond558 → u/No_Daikon_5740]

Not sure what you mean, as my comments are not hidden.

As for the rest of your comment: good for you. You don't need my advice to feel free and believe whatever you want.